quickpassnmove 924 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Next month I celebrate my 50th anniverary as a Chelsea fan. I've learned a few things in that time. Do you imagine the club does not want to support this manager, as you put it? Is that what you think? Given that it is not possible for you to think that, do you suppose they are doing anything less than their best to offer that support? They know the constraints, financial and otherwise, and they know the options they have within those. You don't know any of that yet you insist that the club are wrong anyway. All I'm wanting you to accept is that the club knows the problems and wants to fix them. If they choose a particular player that you and I might not, then we'd be dissapointed but no two people, fans or professionals, would always assess players in the same way. I would never in a million, million years have signed Torres but Carlo wanted him. Someone has to decide, it was Carlo's job and so he made his choice. Consider this, if you were in charge at Stamford Bridge, somebody else would be on here moaning about the choices you were making. The world is real, not ideal. You're missing the point. Suddenly last decade Chelsea became a club with "big club" aspirations, so why don't we see better quality and depth in all outfield positions during the past 10 years (the way that Bayern, Real, Barca, Juve, etc. TRY to make up a roster for the 1st team)? The fact that fans have criticism for a given club's decisions regardless is entirely different from failing to even behave like a "top club" in Europe with all the money that has been spent. The best areas of the pitch to discuss this topic have been CM, fullback, and previously the attacking wide positions (after Robben and Duff, only Malouda). Big clubs like those in Spain at least make the effort to have quality and depth in fullback and CM. I haven't seen this at Chelsea during the past... IDK: pick a number of transfer windows that have gone by. The 15/16 season was just the culmination and inflection point wherein the back line finally broke down while the CM and FB positions/depth remained weak. How many more transfer windows does it take then, Greavsie, for CFC to look like the "big club" they pretend to be? CFC could have started playing catch-up in the transfer window 4 summers ago. summer 2016 and now it's total mayhem with more money on the market, plus China buying. Great decisions for the MF, FBs, etc. that we never bought for years now. If CFC don't get it right with this manager, I think the metaphorical window will be shutting, not just several more windows on mediocre transfer periods. Blue_Fox_, nono, Essien19 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted July 23, 2016 Popular Post! Share Posted July 23, 2016 2 hours ago, quickpassnmove said: You're missing the point. Suddenly last decade Chelsea became a club with "big club" aspirations, so why don't we see better quality and depth in all outfield positions during the past 10 years (the way that Bayern, Real, Barca, Juve, etc. TRY to make up a roster for the 1st team)? The fact that fans have criticism for a given club's decisions regardless is entirely different from failing to even behave like a "top club" in Europe with all the money that has been spent. The best areas of the pitch to discuss this topic have been CM, fullback, and previously the attacking wide positions (after Robben and Duff, only Malouda). Big clubs like those in Spain at least make the effort to have quality and depth in fullback and CM. I haven't seen this at Chelsea during the past... IDK: pick a number of transfer windows that have gone by. The 15/16 season was just the culmination and inflection point wherein the back line finally broke down while the CM and FB positions/depth remained weak. How many more transfer windows does it take then, Greavsie, for CFC to look like the "big club" they pretend to be? CFC could have started playing catch-up in the transfer window 4 summers ago. summer 2016 and now it's total mayhem with more money on the market, plus China buying. Great decisions for the MF, FBs, etc. that we never bought for years now. If CFC don't get it right with this manager, I think the metaphorical window will be shutting, not just several more windows on mediocre transfer periods. Get some perspective ffs. What the f*** is wrong with you guys, can you look besides your nose and let's say, have a broader picture ? I can't believe that I'm reading that in other clubs everything is intact but in Chelsea everything is collapsing. Have we signed the best midfielder in the Premier League in the last 7 days or I'm dreaming ? Barca and United can't sign proper central defender for YEARS. Arsenal can't sign proper striker in ages. City and PSG are on financial doping, yet still can't say they're majorly successful and btw City are going through major revamp again after spending hundreds of millions in the last summers. Tbf only Juve and Bayern are clubs that we should aspire to but they're in league of their own (well, literally) so it's difficult to compare. OhForAGreavsie, Artandur, The Skipper and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 3 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Next month I celebrate my 50th anniverary as a Chelsea fan. I've learned a few things in that time. Do you imagine the club does not want to support this manager, as you put it? Is that what you think? Given that it is not possible for you to think that, do you suppose they are doing anything less than their best to offer that support? They know the constraints, financial and otherwise, and they know the options they have within those. You don't know any of that yet you insist that the club are wrong anyway. All I'm wanting you to accept is that the club knows the problems and wants to fix them. If they choose a particular player that you and I might not, then we'd be dissapointed but no two people, fans or professionals, would always assess players in the same way. I would never in a million, million years have signed Torres but Carlo wanted him. Someone has to decide, it was Carlo's job and so he made his choice. Consider this, if you were in charge at Stamford Bridge, somebody else would be on here moaning about the choices you were making. The world is real, not ideal. Give us a history lesson, how did the 80s treat Chelsea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nono 791 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 2 hours ago, quickpassnmove said: You're missing the point. Suddenly last decade Chelsea became a club with "big club" aspirations, so why don't we see better quality and depth in all outfield positions during the past 10 years (the way that Bayern, Real, Barca, Juve, etc. TRY to make up a roster for the 1st team)? The fact that fans have criticism for a given club's decisions regardless is entirely different from failing to even behave like a "top club" in Europe with all the money that has been spent. The best areas of the pitch to discuss this topic have been CM, fullback, and previously the attacking wide positions (after Robben and Duff, only Malouda). Big clubs like those in Spain at least make the effort to have quality and depth in fullback and CM. I haven't seen this at Chelsea during the past... IDK: pick a number of transfer windows that have gone by. The 15/16 season was just the culmination and inflection point wherein the back line finally broke down while the CM and FB positions/depth remained weak. How many more transfer windows does it take then, Greavsie, for CFC to look like the "big club" they pretend to be? CFC could have started playing catch-up in the transfer window 4 summers ago. summer 2016 and now it's total mayhem with more money on the market, plus China buying. Great decisions for the MF, FBs, etc. that we never bought for years now. If CFC don't get it right with this manager, I think the metaphorical window will be shutting, not just several more windows on mediocre transfer periods. Managers come and go too often for us and each manager wants their own players. Hence we get nowhere in the long term with improvements to the team. How long has Mikel been with us for example ? Plus we make lots of poor decisions with signings. Our good talents we sell to make a profit (Luiz, KDB, Schurrle, Lukaku) and the mediocre players we keep long term (Oscar, Willian, Mikel etc). Forget about quality in depth, for long stretches of time we don't even have quality starters in certain places i.e. playing Ramires in midfield. quickpassnmove 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 4 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said: CFC, of course, are not going to forget it come what may and I hope you won't either. Indeed, on the asumption that you are suffering from the same bug as the rest of us, you won't be able to even if you want to. What is it going to take to get some people thinking straight on this? The club wants the same thing we do. If it was a simple matter of bidding for the players we want, blowing every other club out of the water with the deals we offer and bringing in all of our targets we'd do it. Every club in the world would do it if it was that easy but I don't need to tell anybody here that it isn't that easy. If I told you I thought that was how the market works you'd all call me an idiot. The reality is that we are not the biggest beasts in the transfer market. Even if we offer the biggest fees some clubs turn us down, even if we offer the biggest contract some players turn us dowm. Have I said anything that everyone doesn't know already? Of course I haven't so why do I have to read posts like this everyday? The Preacher Man speaks again.bow down to the preacher man lol.Yeah but seriously preacher man i like your reply but ffs,hit your edit switch now n again tap tap boom!Its a forum not a interview 4 a job. the wes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 3 hours ago, Blue Colored Sky said: Get some perspective ffs. What the f*** is wrong with you guys, can you look besides your nose and let's say, have a broader picture ? I can't believe that I'm reading that in other clubs everything is intact but in Chelsea everything is collapsing. Have we signed the best midfielder in the Premier League in the last 7 days or I'm dreaming ? Barca and United can't sign proper central defender for YEARS. Arsenal can't sign proper striker in ages. City and PSG are on financial doping, yet still can't say they're majorly successful and btw City are going through major revamp again after spending hundreds of millions in the last summers. Tbf only Juve and Bayern are clubs that we should aspire to but they're in league of their own (well, literally) so it's difficult to compare. I think Barca have done well enough despite not signing a "proper" CB for a while. I prefer to not compare Chelsea to Arsenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 15 hours ago, Blue-in-me-Veins said: @DYC. It was nice knowing Tolisso, thinking a nice €60/€70M Release clause will be put in his contract, same with Lacazette, probably higher. They're not getting Laca and Tolisso for 60 mil. They would be smart not to move to Napoli as well if they plan on moving on up in the future. Napoli don't play when it comes to negotiating. Laca joining Chelsea this season, Tolisso and Fekir joining next season? A boy can dream. Blue-in-me-Veins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 16 hours ago, The Skipper said: He's not good enough to become a top winger, I agree with that. He misses certain intangibles for that to happen. If he can work on his defensive game though he can be a valuable squad player. If he remolds his game to maybe becoming a wing back he has a brighter future IMO. Irregardless, Moses would block game time for Musonda and Boga who are definitely more talented. I would love to agree with this but he must improve a hell of lot to reach even that level. He is as raw as it gets. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 10 hours ago, DYC. said: They're not getting Laca and Tolisso for 60 mil. They would be smart not to move to Napoli as well if they plan on moving on up in the future. Napoli don't play when it comes to negotiating. Laca joining Chelsea this season, Tolisso and Fekir joining next season? A boy can dream. Max Arnold now, Tolisso later. forget abt Fekir; don't need more dribblers here. there's great one developing @Hamburg though... if Barca would let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 On 23/07/2016 at 10:07 PM, nono said: Managers come and go too often for us and each manager wants their own players. Hence we get nowhere in the long term with improvements to the team. How long has Mikel been with us for example ? Plus we make lots of poor decisions with signings. Our good talents we sell to make a profit (Luiz, KDB, Schurrle, Lukaku) and the mediocre players we keep long term (Oscar, Willian, Mikel etc). Forget about quality in depth, for long stretches of time we don't even have quality starters in certain places i.e. playing Ramires in midfield. But thats what some managers do yeah. They see a certain quality in a player and think (rightly or wrongly) they will try them in a different position. Ramis gone so no more MF for him tho. Im not a big lover of utility players. I'd much rather have a player in a position hes practiced all his life to play at and most probably the happiest to play at. You talk about selling our good talents. But for whatever reason the manager of that time didn't think they fitted, or their face made them squirm, they smelled like fish - wehatever reason. A %age would be happy their gone. The rest will be throwing their PC out the window. But I'm sure at the end of the day they were supposedly sold to benefit not to sabotage Chelsea. Me Ive got no fuckin idea why we still got a few players with us and it hurts me head thinking about it. But all I can do is hope some manager comes out of the hypnotized trance their in and sell the sods. nono 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Arnautovic to Everton about to happen apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Lyon reject €35m Arsenal bid for France forward Alexandre Lacazette http://www.espnfc.us/story/2917963/lyon-reject-€35m-arsenal-bid-for-france-forward-alexandre-lacazette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,050 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Arnautovic to Everton about to happen apparently. No longer needed with Sobhi's arrival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Just to put in perspective how fucking thick Arsenal are, they bid 6 million less than what WHU bid and that bid got rejected. kellzfresh, DDA, Muzchap and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,897 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Di Marzio reporting that Juventus have deposited the €90m to trigger Higuain's release clause. That can't be good for our pursuit of Koulibaly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Higuain deal done 73.5M another fucking laughable transfer fee. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 If our new manager is anxious about the thin goalscoring in Chelsea's squad, is splashing out a big sum for a Morata wise? Why would Real Madrid sell him anyway? Also, Riyad Mahrez has been mentioned and there's no doubt he sticks them in the back of the net in the Prem. dunno; should be interesting, but I think we need more at FB and CM --along with that CB signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea4 1,521 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Hostedenis and Chelseabluerising 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelseabluerising 60 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Please be transfer related ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea4 1,521 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, Chelsea4 said: I'm crying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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