Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

[bellion 170]

2 hours ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

That's kind of the issue.  It doesn't seem to be that well run.  I wouldn't trade our silverware for Arsenal's either.  

However, the club has obviously changed direction and are trying to fund a new stadium, just like Arsenal did.  Jose did a great job getting another trophy out of these guys, but they obviously couldn't sustain the level needed.

No one has their wish now.  You can't compare our situation to Arsenal's while also making the connection between balancing the books/funding a new stadium and missing out on CL football.  Arsenal were able to do that.  

While 9 years is obviously too long, I could certainly stand a few lean years if it meant that we could fund a new stadium and make the club more sustainable.  In order to do that, we have to buy the right kind of players, not just another superstar a la Madrid.  In order for this club to remain competitive while the money faucet is off, the purchases will have to be smarter.

The club can start by promoting some of our youth prospects and believing that they will do a good job eventually instead of farming them out on endless loans or giving them 3 minute cameos. 

That would greatly reduce rubbish spending.  Oh and smarter scouting too like you suggested to unearth another Zouma supplemented with the occasional up-and-coming ala Hazard.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

14 hours ago, Spike said:

I'd rather have a team of 'not-so-good' players that fit a specific philosophy than a collection of mercs that only get by on flashes of individual brilliance. I'd rather watch Chelsea develop into a attacking team for a few years, being frugal, buying the right players and maybe not winning too many trophies over panicking and buying expensive 'stars', winning trophies and having to go through a 'rebuild' period every third year.

The club doesn't need world class, it needs players that fit a specific tactical and philosophical approach to the game. Buying world class players and shoving them into the team is so stupid and is entirely unsustainable. 

So what's the difference between Chelsea and Spurs ? I always thought that we can buy world-class talents and they don't.

 

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Chelsea have to buy themself out of this.

They certainly can buy 50-60m€ player. However he has to be worth it in their eyes. Otherwise they wait or move on.

They did wait last summer. They did bid for world-class talents. Their self-sustainable project is about setting their realistic valuation of the players and not going above this. How long can you wait ? I fear that if they fail with their bids again they have to overpay. And I don't know if they're ready for this. I fear they may again settle for lesser players because they didn't want to go above their limit and I hate this.

It will be the most interesting summer I remember. As I said I think they absolutely have to buy themself out for that one last time. There's too many clubs now who can buy good player. We have to buy great talents and 1-2 great players. Will they be eager to overpay for this, something they hate to do for years, that's the question. Depends how they are motivated.

 

 

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

16 hours ago, bellion said:

The club can start by promoting some of our youth prospects and believing that they will do a good job eventually instead of farming them out on endless loans or giving them 3 minute cameos. 

That would greatly reduce rubbish spending.  Oh and smarter scouting too like you suggested to unearth another Zouma supplemented with the occasional up-and-coming ala Hazard.

This is why I'd like to see Potchettino as the manager.  He's done a great job at both Spurs and Southampton with bringing youth through the ranks.  We're absolutely going to have to rely on the academy and shrewd signings for the next few years.  

It's better long term as well, we're not the biggest spenders in the league anymore, and definitely not in terms of Europe.  The faucet has to get turned off sometime.  We need to find a way to be successful when that happens (kind of already has, it's not off, but it's not a broken hydrant like before).

[Special Juan 28,141]

Unnamed Chinese club make bid of 38M for Payet

[the wes 7,212]

I can see a lot of ins and outs this summer 

[blues.bridge 343]

i would see many "outs" to china so we take a lot of money!!!
In: i think that 3-4 purchases well done are enough!

[the wes 7,212]

1 hour ago, blues.bridge said:

i would see many "outs" to china so we take a lot of money!!!
In: i think that 3-4 purchases well done are enough!

I hope Mikel one them outs to china

[blues.bridge 343]

3 hours ago, the wes said:

I hope Mikel one them outs to china

mikel? oscar( at right price)? pedro? ivanovic? salah? marin? cuadrado? van ginkel? remy? falcao? moses? piazon? omereo? and others! for me should be sold all of them! china or not china xD

[The Skipper 20,609]

We can quite easily raise a bit of cash in the summer. 

At GK:

- Lets try and flog Amelia for something. 

That leaves us with Courtois & Begovic. Preferably bring in a HG player to cover the 3rd spot, so we have more space for foreign players in the outfield squad.

Defence:

Not a lot to move around here because we lack a couple of players already but if I could I'd sell Ivanovic, recoup some money from Baba by selling him as well. That leaves us with Azpilicueta, Zouma, Cahill, JT (if we resign him), Miazga and really allows us to shuffle the defence properly. I'd be looking to bring in a left back that we'll actually play, and maybe someone like Stones who can play in the middle and also cover the RB spot decently. 

Central Midfield:

Interesting reshuffle could happen here, and we've started well by selling Ramires IMO. We should possibly sell on Mikel as well and bring in a few midfielders to compete with the rest. That would leave Fabregas, Matic, RLC. We now have scope to bring one or two in who will compete with those guys, specifically with Matic who I'm having second thoughts about. A very solid DM and maybe a good B2B midfielder would help. Someone like Rubén Neves would be great.

Attacking midfield:

Got a good bunch of players here, some out on loan too. At the moment we've got Hazard, Willian, Pedro, Oscar, Kenedy. We've also got young gems like Musonda and Boga out on loan. Cuadrado too, but hopefully we sell him. I'd be interested in selling Oscar too because I think he'd get in quite a bit of money for us - then we can truly upgrade on him with a proper #10. Someone like Isco would be ideal. Next season we could have something like Hazard, Willian, Pedro, Kenedy, Isco and Musonda/Boga as our options. That would be great. 

Forwards:

An interesting conundrum here. We've got Costa, who's easily world class when on form, and then a couple of slightly above average players. Gap between first & second choice is quite big unfortunately. I'd be looking to shift Remy and Falcao, and Pato if his loan doesn't work out. Promote Traore to 3rd choice and get in a good 2nd choice striker - someone with a different skill set that is versatile, that could play with our main striker and compete. Berahino is a pretty interesting option possibly? I don't know. 

All in all, my sell list would be:

Amelia

Ivanovic

Baba

Mikel

Oscar

Remy

Falcao

A couple of loanees that I don't think will ever make it here:

Cuadrado

Pasalic

Bamford

Djilobodji

Atsu 

Moses

Van Ginkel

Piazon

Omeruo 

Hector

Plus some more irrelevant players...

 

The squad for next season should ideally look something like this:

GK:

Courtois, Begovic, x

DF:

Azpi, Zouma, JT, Miazga, Cahill, x, x

CMF:

Fabregas, Matic, RLC, x, x

AMF:

Hazard, Willian, Pedro, Kenedy, Musonda/Boga, x

FW:

Costa, Traore, x

 

So, that's a total of 6 players we need to buy - with us letting go of around 17(!) to fund that if possible. Of course this is in an ideal world. We'd have to bring in the right players, and the squad could easily be very competitive again. Very easily. 

[the wes 7,212]

20 hours ago, The Skipper said:

 

GK:

Courtois, Begovic, Collins

DF:

Azpi, Zouma, JT, Miazga, Cahill, Stones, Rodriguez,

CMF:

Fabregas, Matic, RLC, Neves, Matuidi

AMF:

Hazard, Willian, Pedro, Kenedy, Musonda/Boga, Gotze

FW:

Costa, Traore, Lacazette

 

what do u think of that squad mate???

[The Skipper 20,609]

55 minutes ago, the wes said:

 

what do u think of that squad mate???

Very solid, I'd be very happy with that pal.

[chelseafan26 293]

6 hours ago, the wes said:

 

what do u think of that squad mate???

Brilliant squad and I would rate such a summer as 100/100. Unfortunately the way we are going currently as a club, I simply cant see having the pull of getting the gotzes and matuidis of the world. I dont think stones is a distinct possibility, since he would cost 50million pounds+. Someone like marquinhos/inigo martinez seems more plausible. 

Another thing is that, I would put pedro on the out list too. Honestly feel moses is better in the long run.

[Jase 43,479]

 

[LDN Blue 7,903]

No mention of Aurier?

With Azpi destined to life a left-back, Aurier would be a great fit for right-back. Young, dynamic, can defend.

[Alan Partridge 1,124]

Re-sign Mata! 

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

15 minutes ago, Alan Partridge said:

Re-sign Mata! 

No.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,072]

On 03/02/2016 at 8:22 PM, Spike said:

Buying world class players and shoving them into the team is so stupid and is entirely unsustainable.

Don't tell Barcalona. Or Paris. Or Munich. Or Madrid. I'm guessing that you probably mean unsustainable for us which may be so of course.

Personally I don't think our problem has been the category of player we have signed, our problem is the quality. It matters not if a new arrival if reputedly World class or regarded as a nobody. What matters is how good a player he is. Get that right and not much else is going to matter. As Real Madrid's bosses say, it's the expensive superstars that work out to be the best value for money.

That said I have long held the view that we should not pay superstar fees for anyone. I say this because of the belief that such players would be wanted by one of the clubs higher up the food chain and they would always prefer joining one of those teams over Chelsea. If we get 'em it's because none of the dream clubs want them badly enough and if they are not wanted there's a reason for that. In terms of recruits for the first team, we seem to be addicted to names. Names are known quantities. They either have the requisite quality and the dream clubs will nab them or they don't and we'd be wasting our money anyway.

We need to shop smarter and that means finding the superstar players before they have identified themselves as such. Easier said than done but we seem to be especially bad at it. Look at the scores of never had a hope of reaching Chelsea level players who have populated the loan army.

[Spike 12,049]

5 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Don't tell Barcalona. Or Paris. Or Munich. Or Madrid. I'm guessing that you probably mean unsustainable for us which maybe so of course.

Personally I don't think our problem has been the category of player we have signed, our problem is the quality. It matters not if a new arrival if reputedly World class or regarded as a nobody. What matters is how good a player he is. Get that right and not much else is going to matter. As Real Madrid's bosses say, it's the expensive superstars that work out to be the best value for money.

That said I have long held the view that we should not pay superstar fees for anyone. I say this because of the belief that such players would be wanted by one of the clubs higher up the food chain and they would always prefer joining one of those clubs over Chelsea. If we get 'em it's because none of the dream clubs want them badly enough and if they are not wanted there's a reason for that. In terms of recruits for the first team, we seem to be addicted to names. Names are known quantities. They either have the requisite quality and the dream clubs will nab them or they don't and we'd be wasting our money anyway.

We need to shop smarter and that means finding the superstar players before they have identified themselves as such. Easier said than done but we seem to be especially bad at it. Look at the scores of never had a hope of reaching Chelsea level players who have populated the loan army.

 

Barcelona don't do that. They haven't done that since Ibrahimovic. 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,072]

11 minutes ago, Spike said:

 

Barcelona don't do that. They haven't done that since Ibrahimovic. 

Suarez? Neymar? Even Rakitic, Ter Stagen & Sanchez? Bear in mind too that they have been stuffed with a freakish number of home grown superstars. That won't happen again and to maintain their status they will shop even more prolifically than they already do now.