Mceachran 109 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 For me, this isn't an oscar vs mata deal. Oscar has proven he is an all around wonderful footballer. But mata has shown that he can CONSISTENTLY provide stats for chelsea. Hazard hasn't. Schurrle hasn't. Torres and eto'o haven't. You can talk about his defensive ability, but we all know that he is so lethal in attack that he makes up for it numbers-wise. Not to mention that even with this more athletic squad Mourinho wants to field, we haven't exactly been a model defensive team. All I can hope is that mata shows how useful he is every chance he gets. Henrique, Mufassir08, OnePound and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Gino 377 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Jose is a having a laugh, he knows no matter how brilliant Juan looks vs Swindon, nothing changes. It's Swindon! Not United. Oscar is great and will only get better but this is plain fucking insulting. It's like Lampard being left out of the squad for Van Ginkel. Fans say it's early days and there's plenty of matches all season, true, but Mata isn't a Jose Mourinho type winger. Maybe an AVB type winger, but he can't cope with pressing and tracking back, it's futile at this point. Mata was kept this season by Jose as experienced cover and Capitol One Cup games. Pretty much what Essien is around for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,570 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Jose Mourinho: "The evolution of the team is that I want Oscar and Mata to play together."(Sky Sports) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Words are cheap, especially from Jose, we have seen it for years.Is he trying to play Mata differently ? Can Mata adapt to this new role ? Players are good at some position, but shitty at others.Today, I read Mata & Luiz can play against Swindon.Is this the way to reward your best player for two years running ? Henrique 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 As soon as United rejected the chance to get Mata as 'part exchange' for the Rooney deal, the club saved his (and their) blushes by covering it up. Going on to claim no player was ever actually offered.This wouldn't surprise me, no smoke without fire etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 The result of Jose dealing with Mata & Lukaku may surprise many Chelsea fans. In January, Mata just may pack it in & Lukaku may follow in the summer of next year. Both of these players do not need Chelsea to ply their trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Jose says he wants to play him on the wing, so it's still early to judge how much his involvement with the team will be. But if he can't adapt like Jose wants then it would be best for him and the club to part ways. As soon as United rejected the chance to get Mata as 'part exchange' for the Rooney deal, the club saved his (and their) blushes by covering it up. Going on to claim no player was ever actually offered.This wouldn't surprise me, no smoke without fire etc..Brilliant! I am convinced that you are a journalist, Term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Jose is a having a laugh, he knows no matter how brilliant Juan looks vs Swindon, nothing changes. It's Swindon! Not United. Oscar is great and will only get better but this is plain fucking insulting. It's like Lampard being left out of the squad for Van Ginkel. Fans say it's early days and there's plenty of matches all season, true, but Mata isn't a Jose Mourinho type winger. Maybe an AVB type winger, but he can't cope with pressing and tracking back, it's futile at this point. Mata was kept this season by Jose as experienced cover and Capitol One Cup games. Pretty much what Essien is around for. Nonsense, absolute nonsense. Oscar is the Brazil #10 and one of the best young players in world football. It's nothing like Lampard being dropped for MVG."Mata can't cope with pressing and tracking back..."That means Mata can't play top level football. Everybody in the team is being asked to press and put opponents under pressure. There can not and should not be any exceptions. Even Messi presses opponents and he scores 60 a season. Why should Mata be given a free ride?A Mourinho team doesn't do luxury players. I'd advise you to get to grips with that fact sooner rather than later, things will be much easier for you if you do. Bir_CFC, Barbara, Peace. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Mata is not for sell, Jose says. Then, what´s he good for ? To sit on the bench & deprive himself of playing for Spanish national team because of Jose ? xPetrCechx and yuvala 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBH 283 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 I am reading that Mourinho is wanting Mata to change the style. I think this mean that Mourinho wanting Mata to become the workhorse, a defensive player. What the fuck? Why spoil Mata, he is so much better than that. If you want workhorse, then why you loan Moses? He is good for this job because he is not talented. It is okay to spoil him, there is nothing to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 I am reading that Mourinho is wanting Mata to change the style. I think this mean that Mourinho wanting Mata to become the workhorse, a defensive player. What the fuck? Why spoil Mata, he is so much better than that. If you want workhorse, then why you loan Moses? He is good for this job because he is not talented. It is okay to spoil him, there is nothing to lose.A good question. Jose has been dealing with players in an arrogant way before. At Real is one good example. He seems to apply the same methods here. If this continues, players like Mata will leave, I feel. Recently, I read about Ba, Chalobah, Josh, Lukaku & Mata, these guys are just about fed up with Chelsea´s way of dealing with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,903 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 It really is an enormous headache. Oscar has been fantastic at #10 so you can't just outright drop him. People keep saying Jose should just play Mata in the right, but we just spunked 30 million on Willian who's a more natural wide player than Juan is. The absolute perfect scenario is Oscar moving back alongside Ramires in the pivot and bring Mata back in as the #10 but Jose has already fully committed Oscar to that role.Even if Mata isn't nailed on to start anymore I hope we still see him a lot. I feel really bad for him as he's done nothing to deserve this treatment, but you have to say that Jose's reasoning is justified.Unfortunately, I think he'll be sold to PSG in January or the summer. Only way I'd be okay with that is if we get Verratti in exchange. yuvala 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 If Mourinho likes you, your chances of becoming a great player get significantly raised.If he doesn't like you from the start for some reason, you're pretty much fucked.Speaking of that, I'm very curious about Kaka being back at Milan. If he starts becoming the important player he was again there, something went awfully wrong at Real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 the best thing about jose is that he doesnot mince words. when asked what he expects of mata and how mata can win his trust back, the answer was swift, straight and to the point. if he so direct with the public, just think exactly how he would talk to the players. everything would be straight from the heart. and each player would be knowing exactly what is expected of him and what he would get. i feel mata will give his 100%, fight for his place, slug it out and come out of it an even better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 I think Jose feels we need Oscar in that middle role, so it's down to Mata to learn how to play as a winger (right probably) in a Mourinho system.I love Juan, I think he's a great guy but it's now down to him to step up and do what Jose wants. Too fucking long we've put 'player power' ahead of sticking with a manager. Jose is the manager, he's the guy we've entrusted we've steering this club in a new direction based on stability and I'm sorry, but if it's a choice between that and Mata then I'd sell Mata tomorrow.Player of the season yes, but last season was one of the worst seasons I can remember at the club. Some people look at the trophies and nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NishC300 1,865 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 If Hazard has received numerous chances to prove himself (which he deserves ofc) then why doesn't Mata get any? Also who says Mata can't improve his work rate? Robben improved his under Heynckes. bluesman2610 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 If Hazard has received numerous chances to prove himself (which he deserves ofc) then why doesn't Mata get any? Also who says Mata can't improve his work rate? Robben improved his under Heynckes.May I ask, what´s wrong with his work rate ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho tells Juan Mata to follow Michael Essien's example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho tells Juan Mata to follow Michael Essien's exampleLmao, ITV are stupid. He's said nothing of the sort.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Jose Mourinho: "The evolution of the team is that I want Oscar and Mata to play together."(Sky Sports)I would be surprised if he is meaning Mata as a winger cause that is wrong. I really think Mourinho will move Oscar to the double pivot and thus Mata can play in the advance role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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