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Special Juan

The Conte Thread

Started by Special Juan,

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these players have the last chance against man united 

to prove they're not trying to kick off conte 

let's see 

 

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There does seem to be a lack of vision, a lot of our signings seem mediocre.

We could have with more foresight had a midfield three of De Bruyne, Kante, Matic which would walk the league.

If he was at Man City under Guardiola I think Christensen would be starting and soon be recognised as one of the best in the league. Here he'll likely be forced out by limited opportunities. Feel like him and Zouma/Rudiger should be starting in a back four, building for the future.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Antonio8 said:

these players have the last chance against man united 

to prove they're not trying to kick off conte 

let's see 

 

I do not think players are playing against Conte.Simply Chelsea's rose is too short for four competitions, while last year with only one game per week could overcome the problem due the greater physical and tactical preparation that Conte's methods give This summer Conte had said "it would be the most difficult season of my career" and he was right.

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Sad case. Chelsea is exposed. When pressed high by opponents the back 3 or 4 are like lost sheep.They dnt know what to do with the ball. There are no midfielders, wings  who can keep ,pass, dribble to start an attack.And when in attack only a handful players follow through. Ive wrriten before, Chelsea will be fightning for 4 to 6 spots in the premier league. In the Champion league ,if  lucky can go to the next round , will be knock out .

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12 minutes ago, Leif said:

I agree with that above sentiment. 

Conte is classy towards players & managers.
Conte is up to date tactically; in fact he revolutionised the Premier League of all leagues moments after stepping into it.
He isn't necessarily transforming our players into freak-versions of themselves, but at least he isn't asking Hazard to be a wing back. 
He's simply likeable by fans & media alike. He's authentic. 
He's shown more balls with our lineups (successfully) than any other manager of ours in the past 7 or so years. 
It can only be a good thing that he demands an unreal fitness level, which hasn't actually sidelined that many of our players compared to other clubs, who lose just as many players but with half the lungs.

Now as for managers we could bring in... there are only a few clubs (easier listing club names than managers) with 'top', proven coaches - Napoli, Atletico, Inter, Man City.. and that's about it. Now, Atletico play terrible football, anti-football almost, IMO. Napoli's coach is proving himself in Serie A, but what can he do with superstar egos? (Not that we have many superstars right now.) I'm not sure - plus, he wants to leave Napoli due to the board & president. Man City - Pep isn't coming. And as for Inter, Spalletti is not a long term coach for any top club, but a brilliant short-term manager. 

Internationally, there is Sampaoli. But, I think he's more the type to transform Tottenham into league winners who go deep in the Champions League, more than he's the type to take already-league-winning Chelsea to a level where the trophies keep coming in, but the football style is improved greatly. I don't think he can do both in the most high pressure league. It's just not something he has experience with.

So in my mind, the only 'top' manager that's available and that'd keep us at the top is...Ancelotti. And that's almost like bringing Hiddink in. 

Forget the tier below of Poch, Marco Silva, etc - you can see in their eyes that they'd do everything they're told by the board, and that's not something we want to enable. (Makes sense that the only managers with big balls are the ones who already have brilliant reputations. If you're still 'coming up', you'll care more about keeping your first top job than you'll care about appeasing the fans & players.) After Conte showing some balls to our board, our next potential manager must continue chipping away at that wall of ignorance in our club. 

Simply, there is no better than Conte, and every team from United, to Juventus fans (not the board of course), Roma, Milan, Atletico, Barcelona, Bayern would gladly lap him up next season should we cut him off. And he'd be damn brilliant, because he'd have the players he needs. 

The only way to go after Conte is down.  

Sadly the conteout member brigade can't comprehend this simple fact...the only way we go after conte is down...

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17 hours ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

False.

According to Transfrmarket.co.uk -

Arrivals £179.1 million 

Departures£176 million 

We aren't really improving the squad.  We're just replacing like for like. Our net spend is Arsenal like. It's what we've been for a long time now. In reality we've been standing still for several years :

Premier League net spend since 2014:

Man City £448.7m

Man Utd £424.7m

Arsenal £193.8m

Chelsea £126.9m

Tottenham £20.5m

What Abramovich and the board put into the club is what we get.  Roman is not all that interested in going crazy in the market anymore. He can't compete with Abu Dhabi and the coffers at Old Trafford. It's high time we accept that reality as supporters of the club.

And the team bottom of that list have been the most consistent team in this league for the last few years (despite not winning it) and the most well balanced aswell. Conte did an absolutely unbelievable job last season, even better than Jose's work the first time but this season he is making silly mistakes and the transfer window can only cover his arse to a point. Don't get me wrong, i am not for a second saying he should go last season gives him enough credit in the bank for quite some time unless we hit a 15/16 or even 10/11 rut, but he needs to wake up because this squad while flawed are not as bad as what's been shown this season.

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1 minute ago, Tomo said:

And the team bottom of that list have been the most consistent team in this league for the last few years (despite not winning it) and the most well balanced aswell. Conte did an absolutely unbelievable job last season, even better than Jose's work the first time but this season he is making silly mistakes and the transfer window can only cover his arse to a point. Don't get me wrong, i am not for a second saying he should go last season gives him enough credit in the bank for quite some time unless we hit a 15/16 or even 10/11 rut, but he needs to wake up because this squad while flawed are not as bad as what's been shown this season.

Spurs don't win trophies though. They've won nothing in a decade. Consistency and balance means nothing without silverware to show for it. Sure, you can debate who the better manager is Pochettino or Conte and how Pochettino will potentially do with more resources to spend but I don't think Spurs are the team we should be looking at as any sort of model. 

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Just now, MrExcalibur100 said:

Spurs don't win trophies though. They've won nothing in a decade. Consistency and balance means nothing without silverware to show for it. Sure, you can debate who the better manager is Pochettino or Conte and how Pochettino will potentially do with more resources to spend but I don't think Spurs are the team we should be looking at as any sort of model. 

If we finished 2nd with 86 points in the Pre Roman era but only lost out because United were even better, we would have probably given whoever our manager was the freedom of Kings Road.

They haven't yet won trophies however law of averages suggest's they will eventually if they keep up what they are doing and because of Pochettino's coaching they are set for years and can compete against teams with heavier financial backing. I don't think Pochettino is better than Conte but i can't imagine he envisioned no signing's until deadline day and i'm certain he had better players in mind than Llorente, Aurier and Sanchez, but he got on with it and has even turned the latter into a key player. I'm not expecting the title again, but we have got the players to be playing better than what we have been treated too this season and i think Conte deserves his fair share of the blame for that.

If the rumours are true and he's decided this is his last season here, then what is he gaining by going on and on about the transfer window? He might aswell focus his energy into going out in a blaze of glory as he would be in a no lose situation (as shown with AVB and Jose, even if you fuck up beyond recognition at Chelsea it doesn't affect your future job prospects).

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1 hour ago, eemanyooel said:

Sadly the conteout member brigade can't comprehend this simple fact...the only way we go after conte is down...

They are an impulsive bunch, shoot first think later kind of people. 

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The board cannot sack Conte. We need him more than he needs us. There is one way he's leaving and that is by him sacking us, not the other way around.

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If Conte goes within the next 6 months it likely means we go back to a former manager (Ancelotti, Guus) or we take a massive risk on an up and comer from a medium sized club and have to start over with yet another rebuild. New tactics, new playing style, new personell needed, current players moved on. It would set us back years at a time when at least 3 PL teams (United, City, Spuds) will have had consistency and years to build. We could become like Liverpool or Arsenal have been recently - bang average and fighting for 4th.

It would be disastrous. I'm praying we can turn things around and Conte stays for years. If we can stay in or around the Top 4 until the winter window opens and bring in a quality signing or two it'll help massively.

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9 minutes ago, Pizy said:

If Conte goes within the next 6 months it likely means we go back to a former manager (Ancelotti, Guus) or we take a massive risk on an up and comer from a medium sized club and have to start over with yet another rebuild. New tactics, new playing style, new personell needed, current players moved on. It would set us back years at a time when at least 3 PL teams (United, City, Spuds) will have had consistency and years to build. We could become like Liverpool or Arsenal have been recently - bang average and fighting for 4th.

It would be disastrous. I'm praying we can turn things around and Conte stays for years. If we can stay in or around the Top 4 until the winter window opens and bring in a quality signing or two it'll help massively.

Even if we would be winning in all competitions, Conte would still return to Italy within a season or two. Just prepare for the inevitable.

I'm sure there are good modern managers out there who would turn Chelsea into a machine should they be given couple seasons to rebuild and the time to integrate at least a few academy players. Sadly this seems more like a fantasy and less like reality. So let's hire Ancelotti instead for two seasons, win the FA Cup, then fire him and hire someone else for short-term. Rinse, repeat.

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I don’t blame Conte because he has to have top players at first place, on (almost) every position. I can’t blame the man for running average team with couple of great players. I blame Roman Abramovich. It’s almost 2018. and last time Chelsea meant something in CL was like +10 years ago. Since 2010 we are PL farmers in CL. Why in CL? Because when you are good enough for the CL you are good enough for domestic competitions. We are shit. No identity, no strategy, every little we have new coach, players rejecting us BIG... Nobody is getting sacked. Very poor managing from Mr. Abramovich. He literally turned Chelsea into Arsenal FC. We are fighting for a CL spot. His philosophy is better spend + £200m on 10 players then on 3-4 very top with an immediate impact. Why? Because his farm works super good for him and his pocket. Shame. This club turned wrong from the road. 

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20 minutes ago, Pizy said:

If Conte goes within the next 6 months it likely means we go back to a former manager (Ancelotti, Guus) or we take a massive risk on an up and comer from a medium sized club and have to start over with yet another rebuild. New tactics, new playing style, new personell needed, current players moved on. It would set us back years at a time when at least 3 PL teams (United, City, Spuds) will have had consistency and years to build. We could become like Liverpool or Arsenal have been recently - bang average and fighting for 4th.

It would be disastrous. I'm praying we can turn things around and Conte stays for years. If we can stay in or around the Top 4 until the winter window opens and bring in a quality signing or two it'll help massively.

Wasn't similar said when Jose was on his last legs here? We certainly ended up getting better and doing okay then. Not that i want Conte sacked but if it get's to the point where his tenure is damaged beyond repair for whatever reason, it's not in anyone's best interest to cling on.

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He really needs to stop playing a back 5. It's just too easy to nullify. They press our midfield and pin our wingbacks back and we're stuck hitting long balls to our front 3. 

Just change it up. 

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Wasn't similar said when Jose was on his last legs here? We certainly ended up getting better and doing okay then. Not that i want Conte sacked but if it get's to the point where his tenure is damaged beyond repair for whatever reason, it's not in anyone's best interest to cling on.

But we've only got better for one season. Jose went..Conte came in the summer..won the league and fast forward a season and back to where always end up..just always seems to be a short term thing these days. Good at having 2 or a 1 year manager really 

Not best interest to hang on but it's  so predictable.We sack him it won't change for long. Still same bunch of players,still same issues and it'll happen again with the next manager anyway. Which seems why they only last at most 2 seasons if that. 

Just seems mad that since 2007 we've had 10 different people in charge...and 7 'long term' managers including Jose his 2nd time...

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3 hours ago, Tomo said:

And the team bottom of that list have been the most consistent team in this league for the last few years (despite not winning it) and the most well balanced aswell. Conte did an absolutely unbelievable job last season, even better than Jose's work the first time but this season he is making silly mistakes and the transfer window can only cover his arse to a point. Don't get me wrong, i am not for a second saying he should go last season gives him enough credit in the bank for quite some time unless we hit a 15/16 or even 10/11 rut, but he needs to wake up because this squad while flawed are not as bad as what's been shown this season.

Where does the threat come from then when you have one winger position not filled by a real threat (willian/pedro/musonda), wingbacks that are NOT a consistent threat going forward and at least one noob/slow CM in a MF that can't control matches and must compensate for Cahill and Alonso at the back?  

Given all of this, I expect us to fall further in the table unless Kante returns and once again keeps us a bit above the mid-table sides --which I doubt he can continue to do.

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