The English Football Thread

[Laylabelle 9,754]

19 hours ago, Vesper said:

we need Citeh to smash spuds, so spuds cannot go in fron of us simply with games in hand

the tile is gone, so time to start rooting for Citeh versus all out rivals (seems like this is a yearly occurrence, lolol)

I've been for ages and they keep doing stupid things. Don't want Liverpool to win it..

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[Jase 43,479]

9 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

 

Can't believe Hodgson is willing to get himself into the Watford circus at the age of 74. 

[OneMoSalah 9,124]

On 23/01/2022 at 14:39, MoroccanBlue said:

Liverpool buying that green bloke has driven Robertson to a new level. 
 

All for buying that Sosa bloke to compete with Chilwell. Dest for RWB to compete with James. 

To be fair Robertson is arguably the best or one of the top 3 LBs on the planet and has been for a few seasons now. I don’t think a back up LB signing has really escalated his performances that well. Just looks like he’s back to his best after a very up and down season last year or probably kicking on even more, which at 27, is always likely to happen.

Dest and Sosa would be interesting buys, again like Dembele at Barca, not sure why Dest hasn’t really took off there as he was very promising at Ajax, but another American player and we need to make sure the moves football related and not marketing related. 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[OneMoSalah 9,124]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12525755/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-new-postponement-guidance-after-controversial-decisions-to-call-games-off
 

Premier League clubs have agreed on new postponement guidance that says teams will have to show four positive COVID-19 cases in order to have a match called off.

The guidance change comes after a series of controversial decisions to call off matches, with clubs using a combination of coronavirus, injuries, suspensions and players on international duty to postpone games.

 

why did they not do this from the start…. 

 

[milka 3,407]

 

[OneMoSalah 9,124]

21 minutes ago, milka said:

 

I find the whole Everton situation a bit weird. Everton fans wanting Lampard in? Really?

Some of the points Matt Law made, I am a but skeptical. On transfer decisions lets be honest, they may have been ‘good decisions’ on paper but he was utterly fucking clueless at making them play together or finding roles in the team for them. 

Track record and getting ideas across quickly points are also slightly debatable as he ultimately looked out of his depth here after the first half of the first season as we seemed to be so inconsistent or tactically outmanoeuvred on a regular basis. Not to mention blowing up a 12 point lead in the top 4 to finish 4th on the final day of the season. 

And are Evertons young players that good? Or as good as the boys Frank took through here? 

The Everton job is another one, like the Newcastle and Norwich jobs, which if he were to go in and get it wrong, it could be the nail in the coffin for him getting another PL chance for a long time IMO. I mean when do you really see young manager being appointed and going into a relegation battle, barring Pochettino at Southampton and Marco Silva at Hull, and doing well? Even Hull still got relegated with Silva. 

Edited January 26, 2022 by OneMoSalah

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10442899/Pereira-Lampard-Everton-fans-graffiti-wall-Goodison-angry-protests.html

If only Everton fans knew 

[milka 3,407]

Steven Gerrard has kicked Villa on & players wanna play for him.

Everton as a club would be a high profile and exciting job for Frank Lampard, in theory.

But in practice, the club is a shit show.

[NikkiCFC 8,529]

3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

 

The Everton job is another one, like the Newcastle and Norwich jobs, which if he were to go in and get it wrong, it could be the nail in the coffin for him getting another PL chance for a long time IMO. 

It's not like he can choose. It's either that or Championship. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,408]

Can't believe Everton prefer a manager that relegated Fenerbache vs Lampard. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,408]

17 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Can't believe Everton prefer a manager that relegated Fenerbache vs Lampard. 

Reports its Lampard.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Everton coach interview process has more rounds than the 12h assessment centre at fkin deutsche bank lol 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,976]

12 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Everton coach interview process has more rounds than the 12h assessment centre at fkin deutsche bank lol 

They are milking the media attention for all they can get. It honestly wouldn't be a bad place for Lampard to grow his managerial skills. Nobody expects them to win trophies.

[MoroccanBlue 5,408]

8 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 Nobody expects them to win trophies.

Exactly.

Lampard isn't great but there is a growing narrative that he's a shit manager because of the state he left us in.  Greater managers than Lampard weren't able to overcome the pressures of being a Chelsea manager. We've seen some great results and performances under Lampard to suggest the potential is there.

Everton need someone who can win the fans/players right away, along with instilling his ideas to the players quickly. 

 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

They are milking the media attention for all they can get. It honestly wouldn't be a bad place for Lampard to grow his managerial skills. Nobody expects them to win trophies.

I am not sure about Everton. From the outside it seems like a very toxic place with a trigger-happy deluded board. Invested lots of funds without any proper system in place. They used to bring out quality young players but recently only the ok-ish DCL.

 

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Exactly.

Lampard isn't great but there is a growing narrative that he's a shit manager because of the state he left us in.  Greater managers than Lampard weren't able to overcome the pressures of being a Chelsea manager. We've seen some great results and performances under Lampard to suggest the potential is there.

Everton need someone who can win the fans/players right away, along with instilling his ideas to the players quickly. 

 

He really is not a bad manager. I do not say this as a big fan of the player. Overall achieving top four in his first season with the ban was quite a feat. Some of the football we played not only in those magical few days when we beat everton and liverpool with billy gilmour playing out of his skin but also the first few weeks with timo, kai, chilly and thiago were great. we demolished all those relegation fodder teams with great swagger and pinged the ball around like prime barcelona at times. Additionally, he made RJ one of the best rightbacks in world football, Tammy and Mason also turned out decent enough, Chilly and Kova also made immense stepsin their development under him. He just had no answers when the attackers lost form and we were still conceding goals. If he at some point manages to patch the defense he can still become good.

The thing is I am not quite sure he is the type of character to excel at coaching tho. He surely is smart enough but he lacks that natural intensity and extraversion to motivate young players. Like most introverts, when things go bad he turns inwards and that sends the wrong signals in a team sport. He would be a great politician with how articulate and diplomatic he speaks. Hence, I would gladly have SFL on the board or in an adisory role. His signings, even though not every one has worked out so far, were all pretty spot on in terms which kind of player were still needed in the squad and we are still reaping the benefits. Plus few ppl are as well respected and connected within the club.

[OneMoSalah 9,124]

5 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Exactly.

Lampard isn't great but there is a growing narrative that he's a shit manager because of the state he left us in.  Greater managers than Lampard weren't able to overcome the pressures of being a Chelsea manager. We've seen some great results and performances under Lampard to suggest the potential is there.

Everton need someone who can win the fans/players right away, along with instilling his ideas to the players quickly. 

 

He was a very average manager here and that is that. If you wanted to be a bit more picky the terms out of his depth could be used to describe it also, as there were huge underlying issues.

This finishing top 4 “achievement” people come with really gets me going though because people seem to forget we nearly blew the top 4 finish from what a 12 point lead mid season to us having to win against Wolves on the final day of the season to confirm it as United leapfrogged us under Ole. This comes a year after people were severely unhappy with Sarri, who had us 3rd with a slightly lower GF, better GA and ultimately a better GD. Yet Frank getting top 4 was a ‘miracle’ or ‘’major achievement’ if you’d listen to pundits or certain fans. We all know deep down Sarri, Allegri or whoever else we would of gone for would of got top 4 with that squad also. I am 95% certain of it.

The giving youngsters a proper chance is the only thing he deserves real credit for, it was brave (although Reece and Mase would of made it here under any manager IMO) but the January in season one and then the summer at the beginning of the second season also showed that he would definitely have spent money if he had the opportunity when he first came in. That's a given based on how he spoke the whole of that January. 

My only concern for him going to Everton is, he has never experienced anything like the situation they are in. They’ve got good players but his ultimate downfall here was his team being able to be solid and organised. They need to be like that to stay up before even thinking about pushing on and becoming a better team with higher aspirations. I also find it laughable Everton fans are basically trying to strongarm their owners into not appointing Vitor Pereira, only months after Everton’s owner and board blatantly ignored them anyway and appointed Rafa Benitez. I mean obviously football is for the fans but they really don’t get it, do they? History repeats itself far too often in football and if Pereira was appointed, came in and got the results, they’d soon stop complaining. If he does poor, they’ll keep complaining. Its become an endless cycle for Everton since Martinez. 

[NikkiCFC 8,529]

Pretty sure James and Chilwell exploded this season not with Frank. We spoke about this many times...

You can try to focus on positives but negatives are much bigger. What about Rudiger, Jorginho, Azpi who were all dropped but were essential later in CL win under Tuchel?

Even with Kepa something was wrong in that period.

Worst defense statistically in 30 years. Treatment of Giroud from August to February. After that when he finally started playing he become most important player and made FL fool.

Without his goals who knows where we would finish. People try to downgrade this but rivals played major part as well. LC completely collapsing and Spurs underperforming.

Frank won 66 points. Conte finished 5th with 70 points, but in that season under Lampard that would get us 2nd place.

[Stats 7,230]

4 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

He was a very average manager here and that is that. If you wanted to be a bit more picky the terms out of his depth could be used to describe it also, as there were huge underlying issues.

This finishing top 4 “achievement” people come with really gets me going though because people seem to forget we nearly blew the top 4 finish from what a 12 point lead mid season to us having to win against Wolves on the final day of the season to confirm it as United leapfrogged us under Ole. This comes a year after people were severely unhappy with Sarri, who had us 3rd with a slightly lower GF, better GA and ultimately a better GD. Yet Frank getting top 4 was a ‘miracle’ or ‘’major achievement’ if you’d listen to pundits or certain fans. We all know deep down Sarri, Allegri or whoever else we would of gone for would of got top 4 with that squad also. I am 95% certain of it.

The giving youngsters a proper chance is the only thing he deserves real credit for, it was brave (although Reece and Mase would of made it here under any manager IMO) but the January in season one and then the summer at the beginning of the second season also showed that he would definitely have spent money if he had the opportunity when he first came in. That's a given based on how he spoke the whole of that January. 

My only concern for him going to Everton is, he has never experienced anything like the situation they are in. They’ve got good players but his ultimate downfall here was his team being able to be solid and organised. They need to be like that to stay up before even thinking about pushing on and becoming a better team with higher aspirations. I also find it laughable Everton fans are basically trying to strongarm their owners into not appointing Vitor Pereira, only months after Everton’s owner and board blatantly ignored them anyway and appointed Rafa Benitez. I mean obviously football is for the fans but they really don’t get it, do they? History repeats itself far too often in football and if Pereira was appointed, came in and got the results, they’d soon stop complaining. If he does poor, they’ll keep complaining. Its become an endless cycle for Everton since Martinez. 

Highly disagree. When he took over as manager, my expectations were low and a lot of other supporters were too. You say we nearly blew a top 4 position, but point is how many people expected us to be in top 4 from the start of the season? So finishing top 4 regardless was a top achievement considering we lost our best player and could not sign a new new players. Pulisic joined obviously but was no way near same level and had injury problems and had to settle in also. Abraham was taking on the mantle for leading the line whilst really young. Mount's first season at us. We sold Luiz and promoted Tomori. Our wingers were Pedro, Pulisic, Willian and you can say Mount as he was shifted out wide several times. The squad was not screaming quality so when you say Sarri or Allegri woudl have got top 4 with that squad, highly debatable. 

You see clubs like Arsenal spending millions each summer and still struggle to get top 4. We done that whilst let's face it, we had promising youngsters, however where was the real quality like standout player for us? He also got us to  a cup final and also getting through the group stages of UCL. If we weren't in Europe then yes, maybe I would say he had easier task but the amount of competitions we were involved in also, he done brilliantly to guide us top 4.

I think most managers would struggle to get that squad in top 4. Kante had his injury problems throughout the season. LB options were Alonso and Emerson.

We played some scintillating football also and we nearly blew the top 4 but genuinely after the ban and Hazard and even Luiz sale, this was my season were my expectations were really low. I was actually astonished we got top 4. I think he deserves more credit than he gets.