The English Football Thread

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

2 hours ago, communicate said:

I personally disagree saying that the level of cb has drop. IMO team are becoming more offensive and pressing is becoming more important, it is very rare to see big team to play in deep defensive line. 

In England it has. 

From 2000 to say I dont know 2012, there were a much much better quality of CBs playing in the PL. Particularly at the top teams. Now there aren't anywhere near as many of top level CBs in the PL. The quality of CBs maybe isn't dropping all around Europe but most of the very very best ones do not play in the Premier League. Where beforehand your Rios, Terrys, Stams, Vidics, Carvalhos, Campbells, Adams and the rest of them did.

I do agree football has moved away from playing deeper and defending but even then, teams defending in general and organisation at corners and free kicks has steadily gotten worse in the PL, championship and SPL. While the average possession or passes per game in the PL might be higher than Spain/Italy/Germany and there may be more goals, the fact that we are now regularly talking about us, Arsenal and United severely lacking top CBs, holding all teams back to an extent sums it up. Even more so that all the names being linked to us, United and Arsenal in those positions are always from Spain, Germany or Italy.

Obviously defending isn't just down to CBs but you see the difference VVD made to Liverpools back 4. Or when Vincent Kompany made big big strides at City when they started winning trophies with Mancini, you could see the difference when he played in their backline and when he didn't. You see how in stark contrast for instance David Luiz at Arsenal, when he plays and is seen as more of a ‘leadership’ figure, they are all over the place. As well obviously there is the coaching element, it is not unlikely that some coaches very rarely do shape or any defensive set play work as they think it isn't as important/will be monotonous/or whatever else out of 10000 reasons there could be which I think is mental. Could you imagine Italians not doing shape? Or defensive set plays? But it is also obvious to see that Man United dont have quality CBs like Jaap Stam, Rio Ferdinand or Nemanja Vidic or that we don't have quality CBs such as Marcel Desailly, John Terry or Ricardo Carvalho or Arsenal dont have quality CBs such as Sol Campbell or Tony Adams. The quality of CBs playing in the PL at the top clubs isnt what it was. 

 

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7 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

They have 7 games left. Against these opponents in first part of the season from possible 21 points they won just 8!

They lost against West Ham, Crystal Palace and Bournemouth. Draw with Villa and Southampton and beat only Leicester and Brighton.

They have much better record this season against better teams on paper. This is PL everyone can harm you.

They do look much better now, lets see...

 

Pogba helps them loads

I know he is hated here but I still rate him a top 5 CMF on the planet when he is fit and motivated, which it appears he is

he is very unique

when Pep and Klopp fuck off both the dipper scum and shitty will drop off (the dippers have around 3 more seasons max to reap huge hardware, as their core will be too old after that and I do not see them managing it well so far, plus Klopp surely wont stay there forever, if Barca had half a brain they would be looking to scoop him up down the road)

Manure always will worry me as if they finally get their shit together, they are capable of a long roll, Sancho on that side is a nightmare )they wil also buy a class CB and fill in the other holes I am sure by the end of next summer window)

I always had a grudging respect for them as a real old school powerhouse, the league has been lucky they have never come close to replacing Fergie (Ed Woodward is a train wreck overall)

I have nothing but disdain for Spuds (only thing they have is that cracking stadium), Arse (what a joke they have become, insanely mismanaged), Shitty and the Victims

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I watched the first half of United game. Pogba was good, but Martial and Rashford were the main events yesterday.

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I won't watch United, the cum fest over them and Liverpool is cringe worthy.

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4 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

In England it has. 

From 2000 to say I dont know 2012, there were a much much better quality of CBs playing in the PL. Particularly at the top teams. Now there aren't anywhere near as many of top level CBs in the PL. The quality of CBs maybe isn't dropping all around Europe but most of the very very best ones do not play in the Premier League. Where beforehand your Rios, Terrys, Stams, Vidics, Carvalhos, Campbells, Adams and the rest of them did.

I do agree football has moved away from playing deeper and defending but even then, teams defending in general and organisation at corners and free kicks has steadily gotten worse in the PL, championship and SPL. While the average possession or passes per game in the PL might be higher than Spain/Italy/Germany and there may be more goals, the fact that we are now regularly talking about us, Arsenal and United severely lacking top CBs, holding all teams back to an extent sums it up. Even more so that all the names being linked to us, United and Arsenal in those positions are always from Spain, Germany or Italy.

Obviously defending isn't just down to CBs but you see the difference VVD made to Liverpools back 4. Or when Vincent Kompany made big big strides at City when they started winning trophies with Mancini, you could see the difference when he played in their backline and when he didn't. You see how in stark contrast for instance David Luiz at Arsenal, when he plays and is seen as more of a ‘leadership’ figure, they are all over the place. As well obviously there is the coaching element, it is not unlikely that some coaches very rarely do shape or any defensive set play work as they think it isn't as important/will be monotonous/or whatever else out of 10000 reasons there could be which I think is mental. Could you imagine Italians not doing shape? Or defensive set plays? But it is also obvious to see that Man United dont have quality CBs like Jaap Stam, Rio Ferdinand or Nemanja Vidic or that we don't have quality CBs such as Marcel Desailly, John Terry or Ricardo Carvalho or Arsenal dont have quality CBs such as Sol Campbell or Tony Adams. The quality of CBs playing in the PL at the top clubs isnt what it was. 

 

atm there are only 2 true WC CB's in the entire league

Virgil van Dijk    
Aymeric Laporte    

MASSIVE drop after them

if I had to grab 4 (Rudiger is in the top 5 or 6 in the EPL which shows you how much the quality has fallen)

meaning all 4 of ours are poofed, sent out of the league, and Laporte and VVD are off limits 

then I would take

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Declan Rice (like I said, I see him at CB in the end, and obviously he can play DMF and CMF so a huge plus for versatility)
Davinson Sánchez 
Joe Gomez  (RB ability is good too)

after them Issa Diop

fuck Stones and Maguire, especially Stones, hell if Lewis Dunk was 24 or 25 and not 29 in five months, I would take him over Stones (no, not joking, I have seen Dunk be a fucking wall for 3 years now, he is massive in the air and in size overall, and has more pace than Maguire, he just is not that great on the ball, but is better there than Zouma)

absolutely zero interest in any other current EPL CB I did not list (I am not going to get into academy players or exotics like saying oh! Rodri at CB, lol)

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

Ozil yet again on the bench and Martinelli still MIA

[Special Juan 28,098]

No Guendozi either.

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25 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Ozil yet again on the bench and Martinelli still MIA

Martinelli has knee injury

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What the fuck was that Keeper thinking. Unbelievable Jeff

[Special Juan 28,098]

pathetic that

[DDA 9,924]

This Arsenal team is trash. If Southampton ramp it up they can come back into this quite easily.

[chelsea_4_eva 1,180]

So how long until the liverpool wanfest passes? 

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12 minutes ago, chelsea_4_eva said:

So how long until the liverpool wanfest passes? 

Not till we put them in their place by winning the PL ourselves next year.

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