Official - Carlo Sacked

[Krypt 241]

At the end of the day Carlo is our manager till the end of the season. So we should just get behind the team and concentrating on getting a top 4 spot i think the talk of the UCL and FA cup maybe a dream to far some people think the FA cup is a realistic target , but with citeh ,arse ,and utd still in the hat i think we will struggle.

That being said we will be back next season i feel and we can rub it in the media's faces when Chelsea regain the League title next year:champions:

You could say had everyone stayed fit , Drogba not having malaria , malouda turning up for a game now and then , we would still be in it the reason we are in the position that we are is over confidence , expecting to roll over teams like we did last year this has become our downfall , we beat Liverpool twice last year and you could say they had a stronger team back then. This year it just seems the players think we will win without having to put 100% in. Its not all Carlo's fault , yes he need to motivate the players and we all have critised him for his seeming lack of ability to do this.

I see what some people here are saying we are saying he should stay because he won us the double last year and other saying that shouldn’t be the reason to keep a manager that is struggling to give us Champions league football next season. But you dont win a double by being a shite manager.

When utd came third and won nothing one year and had a couple of years without a trophy did you see them kicking fergie out. Same with Wenger they might finally get a trophy this year when was the last time anyone could say that. We won’t be able to attract top managers soon if we boot out everyone we get , this team needs stability and is Carlo the right man for the job ? maybe time will tell , but i can’t think of anyone out there who would be willing to take the job at the moment.

[zolayes 14,489]

KEEP Carlo get rid of Henriques

[Guest justin_3d]

Yes. Didn't rate him very highly when he won us the double and still don't rate him now. Believe me I haven't got a glory hunter mentality. Surely banging on about the double all the time is being a glory hunter.I look more at the long term rather than last season.

We're not in a transition period. I don't see many youngsters playing every week in our team. Infact I don't see any and haven't all season.

And I repeat that's the same thing glory hunters said about SAF when he started!

Took him time to build a good team to win anything.

Even then when he had a bad spell like Chelsea are now, the same glory hunter wanted his head.

Overall, glory hunters that want to fire coaches like they change their underwear.

Good thing for Chelsea is that Roman seems to back Carlo. So what ever you say will not changed Roman mind. Roman is the king of Chelsea, and he backs Carlo.

While you just show a poor display of glory hunter mentality....

Its better be a glory hunter than a failure hunter. Only failure hunters will support Carlo staying as the manager beyound the summer.

[Gianfranco_Z 202]

And I repeat that's the same thing glory hunters said about SAF when he started!

Took him time to build a good team to win anything.

Even then when he had a bad spell like Chelsea are now, the same glory hunter wanted his head.

Overall, glory hunters that want to fire coaches like they change their underwear.

Good thing for Chelsea is that Roman seems to back Carlo. So what ever you say will not changed Roman mind. Roman is the king of Chelsea, and he backs Carlo.

While you just show a poor display of glory hunter mentality....

:goodpost: Makes me sick!

[spuz 143]

And I repeat that's the same thing glory hunters said about SAF when he started!

Took him time to build a good team to win anything.

Even then when he had a bad spell like Chelsea are now, the same glory hunter wanted his head.

Overall, glory hunters that want to fire coaches like they change their underwear.

Good thing for Chelsea is that Roman seems to back Carlo. So what ever you say will not changed Roman mind. Roman is the king of Chelsea, and he backs Carlo.

While you just show a poor display of glory hunter mentality....

So that's it then. Any Man U fan that has ever doubted Fergie in the past must be a glory hunter.

A glory hunter is a supporter that changes teams to whoever is winning at the time,not somebody that doesn't rate a manager.

:goodpost: Makes me sick!

[Duppy Conqueror 1,533]

ok i will try and explain my opinion better.

it seems like the fans who want Carlo to go are the fans who want us to take the route Real Madrid has gone down in the last say 8 years where they have been overtaken by Barcelona who build something that is far more sustainable.

in that time they have had managers/coaches whatever you want to call them who are better than Rykaard and Guardiola ,managers who have had more money to spend on transfers than Barca but those managers have never had enough time to stamp their mark on the team..even when they manage to win a trophy if it aint the Champions league they pretty much always gone by the next season.

we have been a bit like that in recent years (tho not as bad, Hiddink and Grant were essentially caretaker managers so i think the 5 managers in 7 years thing can be a little misleading)

Real,they demand instant success AND prolonged success which very rarely works out and hasn`t for Real..they get some degree of success but nowhere near the amount they could have had in recent years if they just stopped meddling and shooting themselves in the foot.

that is why i want us to keep Carlo..sure he`s not a faultless Coach but in 30 years of following football and watching some of the greatest coaches of all time in action..i`ve yet to find a faultless one.

it took Fergie about 4 years before any Man U fan thought he was a great coach.

[Styles 9,790]

I take it all those who hate the idea of sacking managers wanted Scolari to remain at Chelsea? We had a poor run under him but it was nowhere near as bad as the recent run under Ancelotti.

[eldo 868]

The posts you've chosen to highlight clearly show this thread is not as simply black & white as "sacked because we won't retain the double". There's points here which talk about how he can improve, what we wouldn't mind if Carlo changed.. ect. Like Kostas said, last years achievements, while epic as they are, masked problems/flaws that can be seen now.

I stand by what I say when I say, stick with him till summer and then see what's happened/what will happen before/after that time.

I can admit that Carlo also made some mistakes.

But then you see posts like how Arry is a good manager, or that O'Neill would be better option as our manager. Are they having a laugh?

Hmm Kostas said first that problems were masked and then said that we are not in transitional period. If he thinks that Studge, Kakuta and Josh can pull us out of crap than fair enough, he knows best.

I take it all those who hate the idea of sacking managers wanted Scolari to remain at Chelsea? We had a poor run under him but it was nowhere near as bad as the recent run under Ancelotti.

I didn't even want him to be appointed as Chelsea manager.

[Krypt 241]

I take it all those who hate the idea of sacking managers wanted Scolari to remain at Chelsea? We had a poor run under him but it was nowhere near as bad as the recent run under Ancelotti.

Scolari lost the dressing room , the likes of Drogab ,Cech, Ballack Terry hated working with him becuase of his old training methods etc. They have the respect for Carlo.

[Peace. 4,352]

This debat looks like the ol' Kalou debat

[King11Didier 916]

I don't think the problems come from Carlo.In every team when the good result aren't come the fans blame the coach.In some situations they are wright but in that situation with Carlo he can't be blame.I think the problem comes from there that the most of players are above 30 years old.And they have bad form on these years.We need some young players who can replace some of our old players.When we want speed and fresh players we can play with young players.When we want class we can play with Drogba,Anelka and Malouda.That is what I think.Carlo know very well his job.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

I can admit that Carlo also made some mistakes.

But then you see posts like how Arry is a good manager, or that O'Neill would be better option as our manager. Are they having a laugh?

Hmm Kostas said first that problems were masked and then said that we are not in transitional period. If he thinks that Studge, Kakuta and Josh can pull us out of crap than fair enough, he knows best.

Lol Harry Redknapp is an awful manager. Attack, attack, attack. That's all he knows. He has no knowledge of defending or tactical play, this despite having 3000 centre-backs.

He's right though, we're not. A transitional period - as members defending Carlo have said - is when youth is intergrated into the main squad. This was the plan, when he entered the season with the smallest registered squad. And now? Now we have sent Sturridge, Kakuta, Bruma & Van Aanholt on loan & McEachran is 'too young'. A direct contradiction to what "the plan" was. Either that's the fault of the board for not singing enough players, or management for not recognising that this squad was not title challengers. Or even both.

[Guest justin_3d]

Lol Harry Redknapp is an awful manager. Attack, attack, attack. That's all he knows. He has no knowledge of defending or tactical play, this despite having 3000 centre-backs.

He's right though, we're not. A transitional period - as members defending Carlo have said - is when youth is intergrated into the main squad. This was the plan, when he entered the season with the smallest registered squad. And now? Now we have sent Sturridge, Kakuta, Bruma & Van Aanholt on loan & McEachran is 'too young'. A direct contradiction to what "the plan" was. Either that's the fault of the board for not singing enough players, or management for not recognising that this squad was not title challengers. Or even both.

Both, but also it does not help getting Ray sack when Carlo stated he was very vital to helping the team last season.

I think this is the place that needs to be focus on sacking and not the coach itself. The coach is good and is a world class manager. But he has some sorry ass staff!

Emanolo out!!!

[Kez 2,727]

Fuck sake. The man won us the double 9 months ago. He should be shown more respect.

WE NEED STABILITY! Sacking a manager after 2 years cause we're going through a bad patch is never going to get us anywhere, we'll end up doing it over and over again. There will be massive changes in the summer & it shouldn't be the manager it should be new players.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Emanolo out!!!

What warrants that statement?

Elemano is doing the role he's assigned to. Opposition scout. His job is to prepare a tactical brief on our opposition, no-one knows if he's doing that well or not. Carlo Ancelotti has come out and said his job hasn't changed, jut the job title. So let's stop hating on him, shall we?

Though you're over all message is right. Steve Clarke embodies the role of back-room staff. If Carlo is to stay beyond this summer he should be given as much reinforcement at the back as he can. The suggestion of using former club legends like Zola is an iffy - Carlo needs as much support as he can from a top-class assistant manager. Hiddink is a first team coach and this would severely undermine Carlo so that's not a good solution either.

[Guest justin_3d]

What warrants that statement?

Elemano is doing the role he's assigned to. Opposition scout. His job is to prepare a tactical brief on our opposition, no-one knows if he's doing that well or not. Carlo Ancelotti has come out and said his job hasn't changed, jut the job title. So let's stop hating on him, shall we?

Though you're over all message is right. Steve Clarke embodies the role of back-room staff. If Carlo is to stay beyond this summer he should be given as much reinforcement at the back as he can. The suggestion of using former club legends like Zola is an iffy - Carlo needs as much support as he can from a top-class assistant manager. Hiddink is a first team coach and this would severely undermine Carlo so that's not a good solution either.

Well Emanolo might be better as an Opposition scout, but he is not showing now sign for support as assistant coach.

Less Clement...

Not qualify staff to help Carlo.

This is the place we have to focus in changing, and not on the head coach.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Well Emanolo might be better as an Opposition scout, but he is not showing now sign for support as assistant coach.

Less Clement...

Not qualify staff to help Carlo.

This is the place we have to focus in changing, and not on the head coach.

Like Carlo said "nothing changes"

The board is at fault for not appointing someone. Though this may simply come down to cost-cutting measures.

[Guest justin_3d]

Like Carlo said "nothing changes"

The board is at fault for not appointing someone. Though this may simply come down to cost-cutting measures.

That is why I said Emanolo out.

He can do better at what he is doing in scout, but is a waste of time and space having him there in bench as assistant.

As far as cost-cutting...makes no sens when we spend so much on Torres.

Having a good staff is very vital to success.

We need a good assistant to replace Ray.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

That is why I said Emanolo out.

He can do better at what he is doing in scout, but is a waste of time and space having him there in bench as assistant.

As far as cost-cutting...makes no sens when we spend so much on Torres.

Having a good staff is very vital to success.

We need a good assistant to replace Ray.

Then my mistake, I thought you meant out of the club.

As for the rest, you're right, but with this board it's unlikely. Ray will not be replaced, this role is no longer available at the club. Carlo will only have 2 assistant managers (Bruno Demichelis & Paul Clement)

[Guest justin_3d]

Then my mistake, I thought you meant out of the club.

As for the rest, you're right, but with this board it's unlikely. Ray will not be replaced, this role is no longer available at the club. Carlo will only have 2 assistant managers (Bruno Demichelis & Paul Clement)

But wait isn't Bruno more for medical assistance reasons?

And Clement is coming from our youth set up staff....not enough experience IMO.