Official - Carlo sacked

[Kostas 1,468]

How has he bought pressure on himself? He is forced to play the same 11 week-in week-out because there is no-one else to play. The squad is way too thin. Letting go of the likes of Ballack, Carvalho and Deco and replacing them with youth has not worked.The youth is not ready. Do you not realise that you can't just throw a 17yr old onto the pitch and expect him to fit into the team immediately? Josh McEachran made a mistake in the reserve game vs Arsenal which lead to a goal, and you think he's ready to change our season? They need to be gradually integrated into the team. Brief sub appearances and loan moves are the only way to do it.

But it's not like he had only a 17yr old at his disposal.

21 year old Daniel Sturridge has only started 2 PL games under Ancelotti and he rarely got more than 10 minutes during our "bad moment". No matter how bad Drogba, Anelka or Kalou played he never got his chance.I could argue Bruma couldn't do worse than Ferreira at CB and his performance against Aston Villa certainly didn't prove Ancelotti right.

I've been criticizing the lack of squad depth from August but even with this squad we should have never had our CL spot in doubt. With the thinnest squad in the league, Ancelotti started the season with one hand tied behind his back. However, his use of his other hand leaves a lot to be desired.

We're so used to winning everything since Abramovich came along, and now the core of the team is ageing (Terry/Lampard/Drogba), and will need replacing. Teams don't automatically gel in a few matches. Who knows, we may buy several replacements in the summer, and we may have to get used to waiting for the team to click.

That would mean everything said about youth development was a lie. I can't be bothered digging up quotes about promises about how we were going to promote some players to the first team but I'm sure the regulars remember.

[Slam Dunk 1,442]

But it's not like he had only a 17yr old at his disposal.

21 year old Daniel Sturridge has only started 2 PL games under Ancelotti and he rarely got more than 10 minutes during our "bad moment". No matter how bad Drogba, Anelka or Kalou played he never got his chance.I could argue Bruma couldn't do worse than Ferreira at CB and his performance against Aston Villa certainly didn't prove Ancelotti right.

I've been criticizing the lack of squad depth from August but even with this squad we should have never had our CL spot in doubt. With the thinnest squad in the league, Ancelotti started the season with one hand tied behind his back. However, his use of his other hand leaves a lot to be desired.

That would mean everything said about youth development was a lie. I can't be bothered digging up quotes about promises about how we were going to promote some players to the first team but I'm sure the regulars remember.

He started the season with one hand behind his back, but that wasn't his decision, was it? We all know where the decisions are made within this club, Carlo merely has to do the best with what he's given. We needed to cut down on wages/spending, and promised to promote youth to the first team squad. We've done that, 5 youth players were promoted to the first team squad. Squad, not team. There is a big difference.

It wasn't a lie, players like Josh, PVA, Bruma and Kakuta were not meant to be put straight into the team. Training with the first team and being involved with the first squad and matchday practice are all vital for their development. Sturridge is a little different, and i'll concede that he probably should've been given a better chance. As for the others, obviously Carlo feels that they would be under too much pressure to rescue our season, and I trust his judgement more than anyone on here.

All i'm saying that Carlo hasn't had a fair chance. He inherited an ageing squad which was then cut down to a bare minimum first team and a few youth players. Injuries and suspensions hit us hard this year, and Carlo didn't have the players to call upon to fill the void.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

He started the season with one hand behind his back, but that wasn't his decision, was it? We all know where the decisions are made within this club, Carlo merely has to do the best with what he's given. We needed to cut down on wages/spending, and promised to promote youth to the first team.

I don't buy this excuse. Carlo is not a stupid man, he knows when a squad is too weak to defend a title and his failure to recognise this is one of his flaws. All he had to do was tell Roman "this squad will not win you the Champions League or retain the double"

[Slam Dunk 1,442]

I don't buy this excuse. Carlo is not a stupid man, he knows when a squad is too weak to defend a title and his failure to recognise this is one of his flaws. All he had to do was tell Roman "this squad will not win you the Champions League or retain the double"

Well, at the beginning of the season, I imagine it was a little different. Cost-cutting within the club was obvious, releasing/selling players like Ballack & Carvalho to cut the wage bill. The club thought they could manage with the current squad, and then reassess the team in the January window. Don't forget the way we started the season, the goals we scored/conceded and the way we were controlling the games. We then lost Alex/Ivanovic/Drogba/Lampard/Mikel/Benayoun at vital points in the season. This meant that everyone was forced to play every match, and there was no longer any experience to call upon. Imagine how different the season would've been if we'd have had Benayoun fit all season (a natural playmaker), or Drogba didn't contract malaria. I'm not saying we'd be top of the league and running away with it, but we would have had the experience to call upon.

[neel 257]

But it's not like he had only a 17yr old at his disposal.

21 year old Daniel Sturridge has only started 2 PL games under Ancelotti and he rarely got more than 10 minutes during our "bad moment". No matter how bad Drogba, Anelka or Kalou played he never got his chance.I could argue Bruma couldn't do worse than Ferreira at CB and his performance against Aston Villa certainly didn't prove Ancelotti right.

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[bombayblue™ 55]

Points taken and IMO Bullshit. What the fuck are we? Real Madrid, sacking a manager every season, no thanks give him a chance and he will grow into this job even more... This is mental, if we beat Fulham 4-0 on Monday you'll be calling him King Carlo etc etc... so fickle

Short and Sweet :goodpost:

[jeannie 6]

I don't buy this excuse. Carlo is not a stupid man, he knows when a squad is too weak to defend a title and his failure to recognise this is one of his flaws. All he had to do was tell Roman "this squad will not win you the Champions League or retain the double"

Too true!

Reckon though he has well recognised this.....Romans answer was Torres and Luiz!

While Torres will undoubtably score goals and Luiz appears a great buy, our whole squad needs some serious adds, not just for this season....for the future. All our main players are ageing and next season (without big changes) will see us having major probs!

[Duppy Conqueror 1,533]

We've changed managers enough, we find a manager that wins us the double and you want to change him? The fickleness of some of our fans is embarrassing.

that is just the second post of this thread i`ve read but i doubt if it could be put any better.especially the last part...

folks we are living in the golden era of Chelsea Football club..maybe it`s because i`ve lived through two relegations,atleast two times when we were on the verge of extinction,our owner wanting to put electric fences at the bridge, rotherham putting 6 on us forest putting 7 etc...all the false dawns we`ve had..etc.. but when fans complain to this extent about our club NOW of all times..to me you kind of fans just sound like a bunch of spoilt cunts who demand a brand new car off daddy every year and throw a tantrum if you don`t get it.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

I don't understand how you can call fans "fickle" for being honest and providing a good argument.

[Kostas 1,468]

Questioning ones judgment is always easier than countering his arguments.

[Guest justin_3d]

Nope I say wait till the end of the season.

As i remember a lot of fans saying sack Carlo last season, till he won the double and then they where kissing his feet and calling him King Carlo.....

Now the same thing, we started good, killing teams, worshiping Carlo, and now he is the worst....

Nothing but hypocrisy here from people.

The season is not over, and just like everything turn last year, same can happen this year. CL is the trophy Chelsea really wants, and if all hope is lost in the EPL, then we can exclusively focus on the CL.

Having Torres will help. Torres will take time to gel with the team, but i expect that by April he shall be good for the latter stage of the CL.

Last, people forget to mention how bad our team went when we sack Ray!

He was very vital last season and was vital this season.

We can also see how Clark was a very good assistant at Chelsea and how awesome he is doing in helping Liverpool. (NOTE that Kenny had Clark as his first person to come to the club)

Carlo now has a very bad staff. If anything this an area where "sacking" should be focus on.

An assistant like Zola or Di Matteo will help a lot.

And if we do get a good assistant, i hope the club treat them with respect. Not like they did with a great servant like Ray!

[eldo 868]

I don't understand how you can call fans "fickle" for being honest and providing a good argument.

This is unfair. Can we wait for the season to finish first?

Well some of them said how last season's achievements were pure luck. That's why.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Well some of them said how last season's achievements were pure luck. That's why.

The posts you've chosen to highlight clearly show this thread is not as simply black & white as "sacked because we won't retain the double". There's points here which talk about how he can improve, what we wouldn't mind if Carlo changed.. ect. Like Kostas said, last years achievements, while epic as they are, masked problems/flaws that can be seen now.

I stand by what I say when I say, stick with him till summer and then see what's happened/what will happen before/after that time.

[Shane 2,275]

We finally have a manager who brought some stabillity to the club, Promoted the youth and won a double and people want him to go. Who's going to replace him? Honestly? There is not a manager out there who would fancy the Chelsea job if Ancelloti goes, Knowing that one great season and one poor one and they won't have a job, The only kind I can think of the manager who would be looking for the payoff when he gets sacked.

Our squad is ageing, key players are getting old and not being replaced with players with equal quality. Is that Carlo's fault? No. Carlo seemed to have nothing to do with the Torres deal, probably had something to do with the Luiz and Ramires deals. We have been leaking goals for the majority of the season, A young and exciting centre half is signed. We are lacking goals this season, a world class striker is signed. We have no creativity in midfield, and we will fix that in the summer.

Don't forget, Its a well known fact that Mourinho wouldn't put up with Roman getting involved in team affairs, but Ancelloti praises it. The fact that people want him sacked is ridiclious. If Ancelloti goes, everything honest and right with football will be gone. The man has done a cracking job, and the best is yet to come.

[spuz 143]

Well some of them said how last season's achievements were pure luck. That's why.

If we win the league this season will that be luck? Can we look back and still say we were fairly awful?

[spuz 143]

Let's stop living in the past now. Some people on here sound like Liverpool fans,going on about history. How we were shit back in the day has nothing to do with Carlo being manager or not. The Double was last season,time to let go and judge on this season,or judge the double as a season that could have easily been a season where Carlo won nothing.

Not rating a manger is not fickle or ungrateful & a team/player/manager are only as good as their last result. We're in 2011, not the double of 2010 or the 80's where we didn't have 2 pennies to rub together.

[Ollie 4,400]

Scolari 08/09

Played 25, won 14, drew 7, lost 4, points 49 = 4th (Sacked)

Ancellotti 10/11

Played 25, won 13, drew 5, lost 7, points 44 = 5th

Edited February 13, 2011 by OllieCFC

[Guest justin_3d]

Let's stop living in the past now. Some people on here sound like Liverpool fans,going on about history. How we were shit back in the day has nothing to do with Carlo being manager or not. The Double was last season,time to let go and judge on this season,or judge the double as a season that could have easily been a season where Carlo won nothing.

Not rating a manger is not fickle or ungrateful & a team/player/manager are only as good as their last result. We're in 2011, not the double of 2010 or the 80's where we didn't have 2 pennies to rub together.

Carlo,last season you proved me wrong,this season you're proving me right.

It's time to go. Thanks for the double but this is not Serie A where it's o.k to lose every few weeks.

Martin O'neill in until the end of the season please. 4-4-2 with width to give our strikers half a chance.

Well that is what we can expect from you. Your mentality is totally of a glory hunter mentality.

After the man proved you wrong, you are back to your same shenanigans.....

I am not amazed cause even United have people like you. I remember the year that United did not qualify after the first round of the CL in the early 2000's, and the glory hunters fans had the audacity to call for SAF head!

They had forgotten everything he done for the team, just in sake for not living in the past....

Yet even now people fail to realize that top teams and top managers like SAF had runs of very bad spells in the past, and will have in the future.

Chelsea is in transition, and Carlo is doing good by buying young players like Ramirez and David Luiz. He will get better, and will produce more of the good football he displayed with the team last season.

And not to mention that the one who runs the show is Roman and not the fans. And it seems Roman totally backs Carlo.....

Hence I feel like i am wasting my time explaining all this to you, when Roman backs the man you want out!

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Scolari 08/09

Played 25, won 14, drew 7, lost 4, points 49 = 4th (Sacked)

Ancellotti 10/11

Played 25, won 13, drew 5, lost 7, points 44 = 5th

Main difference. CA still has the dressing room.

[Peace. 4,352]

Main difference. CA still has the dressing room.

That's maybe why he keeps playing Drogba, Essien and al