Madmax 9,219 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 No metter the reason, he still showed nothing. So why do you think Jose would suddenly say "hey, maybe i'll throw this hugh responsibility (a starter CM) on MVG, a young player that i barely played even when he was fit, a player that was injured all season, in a season that i want to be a 'big contender' for titles? who needs to sign a top CM when i have such a promising immediate star!"I think you are both kidding yourself if you think Jose would go for that, or that he should.Personnaly, i havent saw something speical from MVG in his few games in Chelsea or in his games for Holland U21 in the Euros in Israel, still a player that needs to improve a lot. His technical abilities are quite poor for a CM, his vision isnt very special, the only really good thing about him imo is the work rate and aggressiveness in defense. But we need a lot more from the player who'll sit next to Matic.Special Juan, not every guy who quotes you and disagree with you tries to fight you, you know that right? its a forum, about football.And i dont think we should throw 35-40M on a promising talented CM, we should go for someone proven.I don't profess to having watched him play for Vitesse or Holland u21 so I'm not going to comment about your evaluation of his playing abilities. I don't care how he performed for them and neither does Mourinho, going by the very fact that we bought him, a decision that had Mourinho's blessing. That tells you all you need to know about whether he sees something in him or not.You say Mourinho didn't play him when he was fit - how long was that period? Not more than a couple of months from the season's start, considering the cup game that ended his season is held around Sept-Oct. A big reason Lampard and Luis started the number of games they did is down to his injury. Seeing as how there are absolutely zero rumours of us signing a CM (apart from that Song swap) and with Luiz and Mikel likely gone I'd put my money on our 3 most used midfielders being Matic, Ramires and MVG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,188 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Special Juan, not every guy who quotes you and disagree with you tries to fight you, you know that right? its a forum, about football.And i dont think we should throw 35-40M on a promising talented CM, we should go for someone proven.Who said I want a fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 "...but don't let that get in the way of what you judge", a very childish approach imo.Madmax, the fact we brought him doesnt mean Jose want him to be a big part in his first few seasons in the club. Mourinho didn't play him in the start of the season, that means he didnt thought he was ready, and MVG because of his injury couldnt improve and get some experience since then. So why would Jose think different?About rumors of a CM, thats true there arent many yet, but still there's a lot of time. Imo, not buying a top CM would be a hugh mistake by Jose, we havent got a CM in the summer and we saw how we lacked quality there. We still lack quality even with Matic. We need someone really good there, Vidal, Kroos, Fabregas... someone that will take us to another level, someone who'll be the leader in the midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 If Barcelona are going to be stupid enough to sell Sanchez, then we should be looking to sign him. 25-30 million is the price being quoted and it represents great value. We keep talking only about strikers, central mids and left backs, but I'm not (fully) convinced by the quality of Willian, Schurrle and Salah going forward. Will they improve, yes, but we need more top class quality in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherry33 234 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 If Barcelona are going to be stupid enough to sell Sanchez, then we should be looking to sign him. 25-30 million is the price being quoted and it represents great value. We keep talking only about strikers, central mids and left backs, but I'm not (fully) convinced by the quality of Willian, Schurrle and Salah going forward. Will they improve, yes, but we need more top class quality in that area. Fact is they won't be sold after just one season. I like Sanchez too but won't happen unfortunately. We messed up with the Willian transfer in my oppinion.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 William is after Hazard our best AM. He is a complete player and consistent... none of the others can say the same.Alexis is not that good, he is playing really well in the World Cup but in the world there are at least 10 wingers better than him. For the price Barcelona want I would buy him... sell Salah or Schurrle and that's it.Oscar/Hazard/William/ Sanchez is the kind of AM a contender for the Champions League should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 William is after Hazard our best AM. He is a complete player and consistent... none of the others can say the same.Funny that you call him William. Mourinho does the same lol so is it a Portuguese thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I like him, but wouldn't get rid of any our guys for him. He's a good scoring threat could you imagine CostaHazard-Willian-Alexis..Everything comes down to selling Oscar..Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Funny that you call him William. Mourinho does the same lol so is it a Portuguese thing?Probably it is, it's not a normal name in Portugal (WIlliam/Willian), and in Portugal I know there are some people called WIlliam but not WIllian.But yes.My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 William is after Hazard our best AM. He is a complete player and consistent... none of the others can say the same.Calling Willian a complete player is totally stretching it. Yes, he has good workrate, tactical discipline but when it comes to the need to provide guile and creativity in the final, he's almost as average (to put it kindly) as Oscar and needs a massive improvement! Alexis is not that good, he is playing really well in the World Cup but in the world there are at least 10 wingers better than him. For the price Barcelona want I would buy him... sell Salah or Schurrle and that's it. Funny you say that when Oscar, Willian probably aren't even in the top 10 best wingers list in football but then claim they are the kind of AMs a CL contender should have. Oscar/Hazard/William/ Sanchez is the kind of AM a contender for the Champions League should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Calling Willian a complete player is totally stretching it. Yes, he has good workrate, tactical discipline but when it comes to the need to provide guile and creativity in the final, he's almost as average (to put it kindly) as Oscar and needs a massive improvement!Funny you say that when Oscar, Willian probably aren't even in the top 10 best wingers list in football but then claim they are the kind of AMs a CL contender should have.He is a player like DI Maria, he attacks and defends well and if we need we can put him as right back all the game and he will do it well. He needs to improve in attack but he has everything to improve in that aspect too. Oscar is not between the 10 best wingers, and Willian also, and the same for Sanchez... Madrid was semi finalist 3 times with Di Maria, ROnaldo and Callejon, Barcelona with Alexis, Pedro, Fabregas (when he played in that position), Villa, Neymar...We don't need 11 superstars. I just said that about Sanchez because he is doing a great WC but I don't think he is that good.Oscar, Sanchez, Hazard and Willian is an increadible AM and in EUrope just behind Madrid, Barcelona, and Bayern in terms of depth and quality. 4 really realiable and good players for 3 positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 We don't need 11 superstars. I just said that about Sanchez because he is doing a great WC but I don't think he is that good.Oscar, Sanchez, Hazard and Willian is an increadible AM and in EUrope just behind Madrid, Barcelona, and Bayern in terms of depth and quality. 4 really realiable and good players for 3 positions.You don't think Sanchez is that good but yet thinks along with Oscar, Willian and Hazard, he would be an incredible AM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 We don't need him. Schurrle is a goal scoring winger like him (minus the flair) give him more playing time, and he'll score even more goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 You don't think Sanchez is that good but yet thinks along with Oscar, Willian and Hazard, he would be an incredible AM? He is not that good when compared with the expectations some people have watching him in the WC.He is a great player but far from the quality of Bale, Neymar, Ronaldo, Messi, RObben Ribery, Hazard... He is also not better than Di Maaria and some other players that can play in the wings...Just that. For us he would be great. And maybe our 2nd best winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 He is not that good when compared with the expectations some people have watching him in the WC.He is a great player but far from the quality of Bale, Neymar, Ronaldo, Messi, RObben Ribery, Hazard... He is also not better than Di Maaria and some other players that can play in the wings...Just that. For us he would be great. And maybe our 2nd best winger.I think Sanchez is a better player than you're giving him credit for. His last season for Udinese shows that. He's never really hit the heights at Barcelona because his style and theirs are different, almost like how Fabregas is not quite suited to their tiki-taka but when played in the right system like now with Chile, it suits Sanchez and his strengths and can be devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 @ Rafael Hernández : Xavi Torres claims Alexis Sánchez has 3 offers from the Premier League and will decide on his future. He's quite reliable.This guy is very reliable. I think Liverpool and Arsenal are definitely 2. The 3rd team is either us or MU imo as City don't need attacking players anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Xavi Torres saying that three clubs from EPL have made an approach for Alexis and he is willing to accept one of those offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal. He'll go to Pool, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severinb 309 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I have a feeling arsenal will get him hope they dont! Ballague has said that too so there is still hope he will not join them! Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 It's Liverpool for sure because Xavi Torres also says that Barcelona have already convinced Suarez to join them and they will soon approach Liverpool to finalize the deal.Apparently Suarez has had enough of EPL and wants to leave asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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