Chelsea 0-1 Liverpool

[LAM09 7,056]

15 minutes ago, lucio said:

A half decent manager would have the game won by half time 

That might be a stretch, but they certainly would have won it against the side Liverpool fielded.

4 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Exactly the point. This is a midtable roster.

The standard is one thing, the cost is another. If we're spending that much on perceived "gems", we're doom for the foreseeable.

Edited February 25, 2024 by LAM09

[Laylabelle 9,535]

31 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Your guess is as good as mine. Our real chance of winning was within 120 mins. 

That reasoning is just a cop-out. 

And also it backfired anyway....silly 

Definitely. Guess better to say playing for pens then just not good enough  

[LAM09 7,056]

40 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

And also it backfired anyway....silly 

Definitely. Guess better to say playing for pens then just not good enough  

The sad truth. He never seems to take accountability or acknowledge when the opposition are clearly better than us.

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, Chuckso said:

It was just our very last game - the Man City game - he made substitutions that handed the initiative and the game completely to Man City with 20minutes to play - rather than play toe to toe - that led to their equalizer.

Is it any surprise he has given the initiative away in the very next game - against inexperienced kids?

The man is a loser and a footballing dinosaur. He has no place in top flight modern football.

 

Any manager that puts this roster toe to toe against a far superior side away from home esp in the final moments of the match should be fired same day. Next manager will do exactly the same thing once we face them next season, unless we manage to improve this roster tenfold in the summer, which probably won't happen.

For me, it is literally the job of any manager to find a way for the roster he has to be competitive. Jose used to be the master of this and his teams were accused of "parking the bus". 

In the end I think the main disagreement here is about the quality of the players (the few who have quality lack experience), and the number of available options. Some may think they can play "as equals" against much better sides, which I have a hard time with.

[Strike 7,491]

Definitely the rosters are a world apart even with the injuries. We can see it on the league table. But I read a quote of Poch saying players were playing for pens. In-game management was so poor last night. 

Poch on thin ice for me. Let’s see till end of the season. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Definitely the rosters are a world apart even with the injuries. We can see it on the league table. But I read a quote of Poch saying players were playing for pens. In-game management was so poor last night. 

Poch on thin ice for me. Let’s see till end of the season. 

No argument there. I'm still looking for anyone who wrote that Poch is a great manager and one who will lead us back to silverware. Said no-one ever. Compared to Potter and Lamps I think folks said that at least he managed big clubs other than us eh.

Regarding the play for pens bit, not sure I buy that. Towards the end? yes, same as against City, but again that's what pretty much all managers do esp if they had Mudryk and Madueke as the only attacking options left on the bench.
Tactically he lowered the lines, similar to what he did against City which makes sense to me, moving Enzo back to CM and even letting Gallagher move up a bit given he's more intense (more mobility to do b2b w/ lower lines). I thought the middle did well to contain their better players and also provided good escapes via Jackson (who plays better on the left than st) on the left and Palmer on the right.
We did not keep possession very well because frankly we don't have great passers in the middle of the park. Enzo can hit a long ball, and that's about it. Caicedo is super intense and defends well, but isn't very good going forward or passing ball.

So, the next manager will come and do very similar things tactically because he won't have drastically different options unless we improve the squad, and from what I hear, we might be restrained for a while in that area: long contracts and ffp. So, I'm not even sure we can attract better managers at this time--we might be stuck with the B list for a while.

Edited February 26, 2024 by robsblubot
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[Strike 7,491]

On 24/02/2024 at 22:43, We Hate Scouse said:

Taking my boy, will be his first Wembley final. Hopefully better than my first Wembley final in 2008 for the league cup final...

Feel for you mate. That is some tough luck. I hope things will change and we will be able to win a Wembley final one of these years. 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

"Had [the Virgil van Dijk] goal stood, and Liverpool had won 1-0 over the course of the 90 minutes, and Chelsea had given it such a good go but not found a way through, I think the narrative from a Chelsea point of view would have been quite different this morning"

Agree....

[King Kante 1,643]

13 hours ago, Chuckso said:

It was just our very last game - the Man City game - he made substitutions that handed the initiative and the game completely to Man City with 20minutes to play - rather than play toe to toe - that led to their equalizer.

Is it any surprise he has given the initiative away in the very next game - against inexperienced kids?

The man is a loser and a footballing dinosaur. He has no place in top flight modern football.

 

Said this last week. Guy needs to go for me. Anyone that wants to defend him, please tell me what patterns of play he has implemented? 

Even Potter was able to do that. 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

2 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Said this last week. Guy needs to go for me. Anyone that wants to defend him, please tell me what patterns of play he has implemented? 

Even Potter was able to do that. 

And the comparison to Klopps and Areta's first few years no longer valid. Both teams didn't take that long to be turned around and you could see glimpses of something emerging...with us nahhhhh.

Where ever it'll happen however remains to be seen and also do we trust them then to make a right decision on a next appointment? Been very very miss so far and that's 2 now...

[nyikolajevics 2,700]

Just let youngsters play or try something new against Leeds.. Let’s not walk into the final again..

[Special Juan 28,141]

That was fucking disgraceful yesterday, game was there for the taking and we chocked, what a gutless bunch of cunts

[Laylabelle 9,535]

26 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

That was fucking disgraceful yesterday, game was there for the taking and we chocked, what a gutless bunch of cunts

That's what's so frustrating. Not like we played against their first team and lost..it was a mishmash side who were actually pretty damn good and still lost...couldn't rise to the occasion..again! 

Liverpool were oddly written off this season esp when signings didn't go their way...well...last laugh and all.

Edited February 26, 2024 by Laylabelle

[Special Juan 28,141]

1 minute ago, Laylabelle said:

That's what's so frustrating. Not like we played against their first team and lost..it was a mishmash side who were actually pretty damn good and still lost...couldn't rise to the occasion..again! 

But we will await the one line pictures like 'focused' and 'ready' and all that shite with some video footage of the ball flying in the top corner.

Bullshit, honestly

[Chuckso 17]

10 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

That's what's so frustrating. Not like we played against their first team and lost..it was a mishmash side who were actually pretty damn good and still lost...couldn't rise to the occasion..again! 

Liverpool were oddly written off this season esp when signings didn't go their way...well...last laugh and all.

 

That is the value of a top line manager - he gets the whole (team) performing above and consistently than the sum of its parts (players).
 

With the resources at hand, Poch should be, pound for pound, in the bottom 3 managers in the Premeir League. The rest of the managers would be doing better with the players we have at our disposal. Our players have been carrying this guy as his methods put them at a disadvantage. 

[milka 3,393]

Everyone bantering these 1bn in the bin with them we are in the bin too . Happy meal wonderful food get out  this is not Chelsea  this is circus on wheels .

Edited February 26, 2024 by milka

[Laylabelle 9,535]

1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

But we will await the one line pictures like 'focused' and 'ready' and all that shite with some video footage of the ball flying in the top corner.

Bullshit, honestly

Thing is that performance is kinda us being focused and ready...every now and then we up our game but the majority of the time...

There is no shocking reason we are 10th...oh sorry 11th! Its not bad luck it's being shite

[cosmicway 1,333]

Poch made four changes during the 120 minutes.
Klop made six changes.
None of these changes was forced.
Whereas it looked as if Liverpool were running out of stamina, the opposite thing happened during extra time.
Why this happened ?
If there was no extra time nobody would blame Poch and if in fact Chelsea had won in normal time the guilty man might have been Klop.
It looks like Poch's big gaff was taking out Gallagher and replacing him with Madueke. But what else did go wrong ? Should Poch have subbed more players ?

[gdlk 286]

The thing is we are bad physical fitness prepared.. We dont play in the midle of week and still cant make a full match on high intensity.. Another Poch fail.. 

[Special Juan 28,141]

Poch let us down yesterday, his interview was tragic and it sort of tells a story of where we are at as a club. It's embarrassing how far we have fallen, it's as if we just accept defeats now and smile and move on.

Some of the players fuck me they are brutal.