15. Nicolas Jackson

[Vesper 29,132]

10 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Or Ashwagandha!

[Fulham Broadway 16,962]

Best thing the club could do -get Drogba turn up unexpected at training to tell Jackson a few truths and mentor him for a bit.

[milka 3,359]

Bench or sale asap this guy  is criminal .

Why do we always get a striker who is better known for his misses than his goals.

Edited yesterday at 10:24 by milka

[King Kante 1,519]

7 hours ago, milka said:

Bench or sale asap this guy  is criminal .

Why do we always get a striker who is better known for his misses than his goals.

Which CF are we getting that replaces he running off the ball or assists like the one for Palmer against Bournemouth? 

I get why people get fed up with his finishing, but they get too blinded to what he does well. I am not saying he is irreplaceable, but it is not as if we can pick up anyone to replace him. For instance, I still take him all day over VO as whilst VO may score a couple of more chances, he won't be assisting and doing the donkey work that Jackson does which creates goals in non-direct ways. 

[King Kante 1,519]

20 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Best thing the club could do -get Drogba turn up unexpected at training to tell Jackson a few truths and mentor him for a bit.

He would probably tell him he wasn't playing top level football until he was 25/26 and to keep his head down and keep learning. 

[robsblubot 3,554]

17 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Which CF are we getting that replaces he running off the ball or assists like the one for Palmer against Bournemouth? 

I get why people get fed up with his finishing, but they get too blinded to what he does well. I am not saying he is irreplaceable, but it is not as if we can pick up anyone to replace him. For instance, I still take him all day over VO as whilst VO may score a couple of more chances, he won't be assisting and doing the donkey work that Jackson does which creates goals in non-direct ways. 

Agreed. Easy to say xyz would've done a better job for us, until he's here and we run into the same, or different, issues.
The grass is always greener...

Honestly we haven't been playing well enough to single out Jackson. On the other hand, there is absolutely no reason for a club like Chelsea to have a single senior striker in the squad.

[OneMoSalah 8,806]

4 hours ago, King Kante said:

Which CF are we getting that replaces he running off the ball or assists like the one for Palmer against Bournemouth? 

I get why people get fed up with his finishing, but they get too blinded to what he does well. I am not saying he is irreplaceable, but it is not as if we can pick up anyone to replace him. For instance, I still take him all day over VO as whilst VO may score a couple of more chances, he won't be assisting and doing the donkey work that Jackson does which creates goals in non-direct ways. 

The club went down this path before though with Costa and Morata although slightly different due to Morata’s perceived qualities as a footballer.

Costa scored a lot of goals for us and was a lot more physical but apparently he didn’t link up play well enough at times for peoples liking, particularly on here the amount of moaning about that side of his game was frustrating. Then Conte binned him, we got Morata who was a much more technically proficient, neater, bit more clever/quicker upstairs to connect with Eden/Pedro/Willian etc but he ultimately didn’t do enough in front of goal. Then people questioned why did Conte let someone who was a really efficient player in front of goal go for someone in that mould.

It’s a hard conundrum but goals win you games. Jackson does things well but his finishing is so erratic and the polar opposite of some of his approach play/movement at time, its borderline pathetic watching him when he goes through a lot of the time. And if we could get someone who you know is 90% likely going to score 20 goals a season but maybe not do as much but it helps the team move up the table, then what do you do? 

It makes me wonder if he ever will find that clinical edge and become a good CF, not even a top top CF. Because he is right now an up and coming CF who could be a good one but only with some real real real hard work on the training ground with a bag of balls, a goalkeeper and some goalposts. 

In comparison, it is a similar case to Darwin Nunez at Liverpool for example. Probably should score more but too erratic.

Either way if he stays or leaves or whatever, another CF is 100% required. Or give Nkunku an actual run out for 4 or 5 matches in a row in the PL and see what he does.

Edited 21 hours ago by OneMoSalah

[Vesper 29,132]

31 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

In comparison, it is a similar case to Darwin Nunez at Liverpool for example. Probably should score more but too erratic.

atm this is a good comparison to Nico

they both cannot shoot to save their lives far too often

[King Kante 1,519]

58 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

The club went down this path before though with Costa and Morata although slightly different due to Morata’s perceived qualities as a footballer.

Costa scored a lot of goals for us and was a lot more physical but apparently he didn’t link up play well enough at times for peoples liking, particularly on here the amount of moaning about that side of his game was frustrating. Then Conte binned him, we got Morata who was a much more technically proficient, neater, bit more clever/quicker upstairs to connect with Eden/Pedro/Willian etc but he ultimately didn’t do enough in front of goal. Then people questioned why did Conte let someone who was a really efficient player in front of goal go for someone in that mould.

It’s a hard conundrum but goals win you games. Jackson does things well but his finishing is so erratic and the polar opposite of some of his approach play/movement at time, its borderline pathetic watching him when he goes through a lot of the time. And if we could get someone who you know is 90% likely going to score 20 goals a season but maybe not do as much but it helps the team move up the table, then what do you do? 

It makes me wonder if he ever will find that clinical edge and become a good CF, not even a top top CF. Because he is right now an up and coming CF who could be a good one but only with some real real real hard work on the training ground with a bag of balls, a goalkeeper and some goalposts. 

In comparison, it is a similar case to Darwin Nunez at Liverpool for example. Probably should score more but too erratic.

Either way if he stays or leaves or whatever, another CF is 100% required. Or give Nkunku an actual run out for 4 or 5 matches in a row in the PL and see what he does.

It is a conundrum. For me there are very few CF's where we can go 'that player will score more goals and not provide a drop off in the all round part of the game'. For me, Jackson for sure has to improve his shooting, but I do not think that is beyond him. The reason I say this is that he does score some pretty hard goals - Brentford and Leicester this season and Everton at home last season spring to mind. For me, it isn't the technique side of the game with him, rather that when he gets a good chance he front of goal he panics/gets over excited. I do honestly feel with him that if he took just half the goals he faffs people would be talking about him as a top 5 CF in the world. As I've said, he has a knack of making the hard look easy and the easy look hard. Fortunately, making the easy not look hard is not as difficult as making the hard look easy with perseverance.

Equally, I am not worried about him wanting it/putting in the hard yards. I mean let's just look at his development of his hold up play and his ability to drive with the ball. That is leaps and bounds above what he produce in the first six month.

I actually do not mind another CF coming in, but equally I do not see why Jackson gets picked on so much when his all round performances are better than at least half of the others that started around him. For sure, sell Nkunku and get another CF but equally unless they're Häland or Isak don't expect them to actually replace Jackson straight away (I am not sold on Gyorekes translating his Portugese production in the PL, for instance.) 

Edited 20 hours ago by King Kante

[Fulham Broadway 16,962]

15 hours ago, King Kante said:

He would probably tell him he wasn't playing top level football until he was 25/26 and to keep his head down and keep learning. 

Think he will improve. You can tell hes fucked off with missing sitters, (doesnt smile about it like Sterling) and his reading of the game, spinning defenders, linking up with Palmer is good. 

If he doesnt, the process will see him dropped/sold. Which is why I said he needs some psychological mentoring from someone like Drogs, visualisation techniques etc

[Thor 2,457]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Think he will improve. You can tell hes fucked off with missing sitters, (doesnt smile about it like Sterling) and his reading of the game, spinning defenders, linking up with Palmer is good. 

If he doesnt, the process will see him dropped/sold. Which is why I said he needs some psychological mentoring from someone like Drogs, visualisation techniques etc

Completely agree. 

I think Jackson is a scapegoat in this team - especially with the way we set up. 

I think he is far too valuable to let go. The reality is, the tide of the game is not lost up front, but in the middle. A lot of these other strikers that get lamented for being lethal finishers also get a tonne of chances, which Jackson actually doesn't get as much. 

Isak missed a bunch of sitters the last Newcastle game I watched a few games back. Literally 2 surefire goals, but no one brings it up because they kept feeding him the ball and he got one to go. 

[Special Juan 27,492]

Jackson is not a scapegoat but he's the man as our lead striker who we look to for goals, and if he is not doing it then something has to give

If palmer's goals dry up we are really struggling. I point the finger firmly at quite a few in the team, and as a whole how we control games for 45 minutes and then think we are clever and take our foot off the gas. 

I will say it again, this team need some experienced heads in it, we miss a leader like Silva and we need some influential experience to mix with the youth we have, this is Chelsea not Cheltenham 

[Reddish-Blue 2,375]

26 minutes ago, Thor said:

Isak missed a bunch of sitters the last Newcastle game I watched a few games back. Literally 2 surefire goals, but no one brings it up because they kept feeding him the ball and he got one to go. 

Thats how it is for most strikers out there, if you don't score goals, you have to accept the criticism. 

27 minutes ago, Thor said:

The reality is, the tide of the game is not lost up front, but in the middle

That's partly true and mainly due to Lavia not being available...which has meant way more minutes for Enzo-Caicedo to handle.  

It really is a shame that we lost Kante and Kovacic, all that midfield experience gone. 

[Pizy 18,486]

What we need is to do with Jackson what Pep has done with their striker situation. They have Haaland as their first choice #9 and had Julian Alvarez who they’re now finally replacing with Marmoush as the backup option. Nico needs to be our Alvarez/Marmoush. Someone who still gets lots of minutes but isn’t someone we depend solely on as our primary goal scorer because he’s not elite.

Obviously we ain’t gonna get an alien like Haaland but there are absolutely elite level finishers out there if we pay the money. We’ve been willing to pay 100m+ for midfielders so I don’t see why our board are so blind to the fact that we may need to do so for a match winning goal scorer.

[Reddish-Blue 2,375]

12 minutes ago, Pizy said:

They have Haaland as their first choice #9 and had Julian Alvarez who they’re now finally replacing with Marmoush as the backup option. Nico needs to be our Alvarez/Marmoush

Alvarez was one of the better young strikers out there, part of the reason why he pushed for the move to Spain instead of hanging around as 2nd to Haaland. 

Not sure if Nico could play that sort of role, seems like he's the type that needs to start. 

[robsblubot 3,554]

5 hours ago, Pizy said:

What we need is to do with Jackson what Pep has done with their striker situation. They have Haaland as their first choice #9 and had Julian Alvarez who they’re now finally replacing with Marmoush as the backup option. Nico needs to be our Alvarez/Marmoush. Someone who still gets lots of minutes but isn’t someone we depend solely on as our primary goal scorer because he’s not elite.

Obviously we ain’t gonna get an alien like Haaland but there are absolutely elite level finishers out there if we pay the money. We’ve been willing to pay 100m+ for midfielders so I don’t see why our board are so blind to the fact that we may need to do so for a match winning goal scorer.

Agreed. And reckon they miss Alvarez a lot more than they expected to.
The hard work Jackson puts in esp in pressing high would also be missed. Jackson is often the only player pressing high, which is just wrong as a team.

Edited 2 hours ago by robsblubot