The Next Manager?

[MoroccanBlue 5,378]

One of the U18 Argentines Enrique allegedly wants has to be Echeverri. 

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

Marcello Gallardo? Ffs. One extreme to the next. The club really are clueless. No European experience as a manager - managed Nacional & River Plate. Would be an incredibly risky move.

In fact it after the 2 already risky managerial & caretaker appointments already under Boehly & co - forget it.

I get their making an extensive list but wouldn’t be surprised if we get linked to fucking Ted Lasso next.

Edited April 11, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[Pizy 18,877]

Yeah, no more mega gambles likes Lampard and Potter. A dude who has never even managed in Europe, never mind a TOP club is ridiculously stupid for a club which desperately needs to get back into the UCL ASAP. 

As I said here in the days right after Potter was sacked, a manager with BIG CLUB experience should be the first prerequisite. Someone who has managed big players in huge games and commands instant respect of the dressing room.

In the same way a load of our players had to Google who tf Graham Potter was and clowned on him for being in over his head, we’d have the same thing if we appointed this Gallardo guy. 

[LAM09 7,043]

16 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Yeah, no more mega gambles likes Lampard and Potter. A dude who has never even managed in Europe, never mind a TOP club is ridiculously stupid for a club which desperately needs to get back into the UCL ASAP. 

As I said here in the days right after Potter was sacked, a manager with BIG CLUB experience should be the first prerequisite. Someone who has managed big players in huge games and commands instant respect of the dressing room.

In the same way a load of our players had to Google who tf Graham Potter was and clowned on him for being in over his head, we’d have the same thing if we appointed this Gallardo guy. 

European experience is one thing, but the bolded is pure ignorance. Had you heard of Scaloni prior to him doing the double with Argentina (they've only lost five games out of 59)?

To the surprise of many, football exists outside of Europe, and River Plate are amongst the biggest clubs around. 

That aside, I wouldn't personally advocate for him; we know what happened with Scolari.

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

3 hours ago, LAM09 said:

European experience is one thing, but the bolded is pure ignorance. Had you heard of Scaloni prior to him doing the double with Argentina (they've only lost five games out of 59)?

To the surprise of many, football exists outside of Europe, and River Plate are amongst the biggest clubs around. 

That aside, I wouldn't personally advocate for him; we know what happened with Scolari.

I do agree to say something like River Plate aren’t a big club, when historically, they and Boca Jnrs are massive in world football, is quite arrogant.

But I do think Scaloni & even other international coaches are different though. I do think thats also why managers such as Southgate, Martinez etc can get away with it at international level. Or seem to be moderately successful/more successful than they were at club level.

Granted Scaloni hasn’t been moderately successful, he has been incredibly successful at International level. Winning Copa America and World Cup 1 year after each other & the Final thing with Italy. 

Again though, for such a big task as the job here will be next season alone never mind the following one, the next appointment has to be a sure thing to get some traction and get things moving in the right direction. So somebody such as Gallardo - he is a very very risky choice which is something you’d hope we would be avoiding.

[Cosmin 2,484]

8 hours ago, LAM09 said:

European experience is one thing, but the bolded is pure ignorance. Had you heard of Scaloni prior to him doing the double with Argentina (they've only lost five games out of 59)?

To the surprise of many, football exists outside of Europe, and River Plate are amongst the biggest clubs around. 

That aside, I wouldn't personally advocate for him; we know what happened with Scolari.

I reckon @Pizy meant that Gallardo never managed a big European club. Which is true. While River are a historic club in South America, the culture there is totally different from the one in Europe, especially in England. You don't hear about River spending hundreds of millions of pounds on one or two players, they are usually a feeder club for European teams. And it's usually the 2nd or 3rd tier teams that buy from them, not even the elite. They deserve respect and are a huge footballing institution. But bringing to Chelsea a manager who had a 53,77% winning ratio with River would be a crazy thing to do, in my opinion.

Gallardo is actually a free agent now, after quitting the River job in November 2022. Everybody would be put under huge pressure once they decide to take over at Chelsea, but at least you know that people such as Enrique or Nagelsmann were put in similar situations in the past. For Gallardo, it would be something completely new. In my opinion, Gallardo should only be taken into account if Boehly & Co. buy another club (e.g. Strasbourg), and only once he proves that he can handle himself well there, then he can become an option for Chelsea. 

Edited April 12, 2023 by Cosmin

[Pizy 18,877]

11 hours ago, LAM09 said:

European experience is one thing, but the bolded is pure ignorance. Had you heard of Scaloni prior to him doing the double with Argentina (they've only lost five games out of 59)?

To the surprise of many, football exists outside of Europe, and River Plate are amongst the biggest clubs around. 

That aside, I wouldn't personally advocate for him; we know what happened with Scolari.

Meh. Not impressed with Scaloni. Or any manager that’s coaching international football, really. Especially one that had the greatest player in history putting in Man of the Match performances every single game and had other world class performers as well. 
 

And I wasn’t trying to belittle River. I know they’re massive in South America. But I still think it would be a massive risk to appoint someone who has never managed in Europe. I’d say the same thing if we were linked with the manager of some mega club in Brazil. Yes, they may be at the pinnacle of the sport in South America, but the quality of the competition is nowhere near the PL.

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

I am actually surprised we have bee  linked with Gallardo and not Jorge Sampaoli - although he just got linked to the Nottingham Forrest job today. He is someone who again I think would be incredibly risky though. His career has went averagely a bit though

[LAM09 7,043]

7 hours ago, Cosmin said:

I reckon @Pizy meant that Gallardo never managed a big European club. Which is true. While River are a historic club in South America, the culture there is totally different from the one in Europe, especially in England. You don't hear about River spending hundreds of millions of pounds on one or two players, they are usually a feeder club for European teams. And it's usually the 2nd or 3rd tier teams that buy from them, not even the elite. They deserve respect and are a huge footballing institution. But bringing to Chelsea a manager who had a 53,77% winning ratio with River would be a crazy thing to do, in my opinion.

Gallardo is actually a free agent now, after quitting the River job in November 2022. Everybody would be put under huge pressure once they decide to take over at Chelsea, but at least you know that people such as Enrique or Nagelsmann were put in similar situations in the past. For Gallardo, it would be something completely new. In my opinion, Gallardo should only be taken into account if Boehly & Co. buy another club (e.g. Strasbourg), and only once he proves that he can handle himself well there, then he can become an option for Chelsea. 

The comments below have nothing to do with Europe in the slightest, and they are what I had issue with.

16 hours ago, Pizy said:

never mind a TOP club 

16 hours ago, Pizy said:

As I said here in the days right after Potter was sacked, a manager with BIG CLUB experience should be the first prerequisite.

 

4 hours ago, Pizy said:

Meh. Not impressed with Scaloni. Or any manager that’s coaching international football, really. Especially one that had the greatest player in history putting in Man of the Match performances every single game and had other world class performers as well. 
 

And I wasn’t trying to belittle River. I know they’re massive in South America. But I still think it would be a massive risk to appoint someone who has never managed in Europe. I’d say the same thing if we were linked with the manager of some mega club in Brazil. Yes, they may be at the pinnacle of the sport in South America, but the quality of the competition is nowhere near the PL.

Messi didn't win the WC singlehandedly. Additionally, Scaloni won the Copa America the year before. Whether or not you consider these accomplishments deserving is solely on you.

As I stated above, my issue was with your description of the club. Discussing each candidate's credentials based on their history is valid.

[Cosmin 2,484]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

The comments below have nothing to do with Europe in the slightest, and they are what I had issue with.

I am not trying to play lawyer or anything, but he said “a dude who has never even managed in Europe, never mind a TOP club“. 

From here, I understood that he meant Gallardo never managed a European club, nevermind a top (European) one. But my logic might be flawed.

In any case, I don't think anyone here is disrespecting River Plate, it's just that that's a completely different world of football, compared to the European one.

And bringing a manager from there straight to an elite club in Europe would be a gamble to say the least. In my opinion, it would be completely idiotic and just another proof that our new owners are absolutely clueless.

By the way, the last time such a situation happened was when Barcelona appointed Gerardo Martino, because Messi liked him. That was a complete disaster. 

 

Edited April 12, 2023 by Cosmin

[NikkiCFC 8,300]

If we count only this season this is how I rate Chelsea managers:

1) Bruno 

2) Potter 

3) Tuchel 

4) Lampard

[Mário César 1,249]

hired lampard was so so wrong 

lets see what will happen next season but we need a total reboot 

[Tomo 21,751]

I can't believe I'm actually saying this but if we wanted a caretaker manager we should have asked Roy.

[robsblubot 3,595]

31 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I can't believe I'm actually saying this but if we wanted a caretaker manager we should have asked Roy.

Always thought Potter would make a great interim manager until a real manager arrived. 😅

[NikkiCFC 8,300]

Potter last 5 games after 3 wins we draw Everton and lost against Villa. Bruno draw with Liverpool. But in these 3 games we had xG around 2,5. Lampard couldn't reach that in 2 games. We are actually regressing. 

Edited April 12, 2023 by NikkiCFC