The Next Manager?

[Cosmin 2,484]

What about Marco Silva?

[Tautvix 1,321]

The only coach who would possibly get any results with this squad is Simeone. There's no point in getting an attacking coach because all of them will need better players which our board can't provide.

[KevinAshburner 1,270]

13 minutes ago, Tautvix said:

The only coach who would possibly get any results with this squad is Simeone. There's no point in getting an attacking coach because all of them will need better players which our board can't provide.

what about Diego Simeone English and how good is his English Communication Skills or what point is it in bringing in great managers when the board won't give him the players he wants. 

[Tautvix 1,321]

3 minutes ago, KevinAshburner said:

what about Diego Simeone English and how good is his English Communication Skills or what point is it in bringing in great managers when the board won't give him the players he wants. 

I really don't know about his English...

Simeone is someone who gets the best out of average players..

What if we had Guardiola with this team? He would be a massive failure as he was for City last season. There's no way we will give any coach so much money!

[lucio 5,418]

5 hours ago, Jason said:

One fella who hasn't been mentioned...Leonid Slutsky.

for good reason, we don't want hull city rejects

[the wes 7,212]

[!Hazard! 3,394]

Bring in Sarri

[Eidur the Spider 4,515]

This thread is open already? He hasn't even definitely gone yet. Jesus christ. 

[coolhead23 1,146]

Conte to remain as the manager till the end of the season atleast ... lock the thread up 

[the wes 7,212]

Carlo Ancelotti or Luis Enrique for Chelsea interim role?

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/06/football-transfer-rumours-carlo-ancelotti-or-luis-enrique-for-chelsea-interim-role

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

14 hours ago, Blue-in-me-Veins said:

Ahh It's about time this thread got un-locked. Having a quick think about what which manager I'd trust to come in with fresh new ideas and could potentially match-up with the likes of Guardiola, Mourinho and Pochettino. 

Dream Scenario: Chelsea mortgage the entire Farm and bring in Mauricio Pochettino. 

Realistic Scenario: Tuchel, Allegri, or Leonardo Jardim. That should be the shortlist. Nobody else. Simeone, Luis Enrique, Ancelotti or Roman's friend Slutsky should be nowhere near the Board's mind. 

Pochettino is a great coach but I'm concerned about how he hasn't won any trophies in England. Every manager we've had since AVB has won trophies. Di Matteo, Benitez, Mourinho (never counted Hiddink, because whats the point), Conte.... I think even if Conte doesn't get sacked (would be an idiotic move) and still wins an FA cup or something as well as securing top 4 status then the season isn't too bad. Pochettino if he had an appetite to win trophies, the smaller ones which he continually write off, then yes he'd be perfect but the thing is here, we want to win everything we are in, CL, FA cup, Carabao Cup, Community Shield and whatever. Hes very much a double ended sword, yes we will improve maybe, young players will get more of a chance but hes never worked in such a high pressure environment where he isn't always going to get his own way (lets be honest not going to change anytime soon) but he could come here, do great but ultimately win fuck all and get sacked again, look at Ancelotti when he won the double for instance, year later out for finishing 2nd. How many years have Spurs actually gone to the wire for the title? The year Leicester won it? When Spurs and Arsenal both bottled it? 

Tuchel no thanks. Allegri, maybe but again not overly convinced hes an excellent coach, Jardim is very much still unproven for me as well despite what Monaco did last season. Simeone is a top level coach, hes very much like Mourinho and Conte though in terms of style and the fans and squad might fancy a change who knows? Luis Enrique wants full control of transfers which he wont get so he wont be coming, plus again I'm not entirely sure he'd really want to come here anyway as well as the fact I'm not sure he'd be a success here. Plus his Barca team were also quite counter attack orientated as well, which annoyed Barca fans, which people already complain about here. Slutsky no way in hell, not even Roman is that stupid.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

There we go again the fans turning their head against Conte in an instant.

And then you moan about trust, faith and hope for longterm projects

You realize that if we appointed someone for actualy long time with more transfer control it would probably take a whole bad season or two before it gets good and you cant live with Conte after a bad month.

Irony.

The season wasnt bad as some pointed out till january. Then the players started to miss absolute sitters and defenders ridiculous mistakes in defence. There is little Conte can do when you see Morata miss 10 clear chances and Cahill, Rudiger, Luiz, heck even Azpi leaving acress of space for opponents.

Conte made some terrible terrible decisions yes, but the players are beyond patethic in the most simpliest footballing things like passing. Have you seen how shit our short passing was recent games? Championship players have better organisation and composure. Fucking Jaanmat showed more attacking skill and composure than our whole attacking line.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Hopefuly the board wont sack Conte, we have to get together against Barca and hope for miracle that might also insipre the team to end PL on high and secure top 4. With new coach we face disaster against Barca given there is so little time and then we could see same old crap in PL.

You even realize how little options of quality coaches are there right now? Maybe in summer we could try Sarri, Allegri etc. but no one good is available right now.

This shit reminds me of Costa situation, when there was NO SINGLE BETTER striker available BUT we still decided to ship him out and so did the fans just because they felt insulted by Diego and the neighbour grass is always greener, so why not sell Costa and do some Fifa and bring someone new just so that we bring someone new and then regret it later, realizing Costa was miles better striker than anything we have now.

But if the board does what they are good at and sack Conte, I hope we get Sarri in the end. The story will repeat in two seasons with these lot of players and board ambitions, but hell we will atleast play some attacking football.

[Tomo 21,733]

7 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

There we go again the fans turning their head against Conte in an instant.

And then you moan about trust, faith and hope for longterm projects

You realize that if we appointed someone for actualy long time with more transfer control it would probably take a whole bad season or two before it gets good and you cant live with Conte after a bad month.

Irony.

The season wasnt bad as some pointed out till january. Then the players started to miss absolute sitters and defenders ridiculous mistakes in defence. There is little Conte can do when you see Morata miss 10 clear chances and Cahill, Rudiger, Luiz, heck even Azpi leaving acress of space for opponents.

Conte made some terrible terrible decisions yes, but the players are beyond patethic in the most simpliest footballing things like passing. Have you seen how shit our short passing was recent games? Championship players have better organisation and composure. Fucking Jaanmat showed more attacking skill and composure than our whole attacking line.

There's a difference between a teething problem struggle and the shit we have been served up since new year and well December too  (the results were still there at that point, but the warning signs were evident). 

Teething problem struggles would be Poch's first season at Spurs, Pep at City last season or if you want to look further back, Rijkaard's first season at Barca, all had inconsistent season's for various reason's but it was obvious to anyone with eyes that something special was being built (people can throw the no trophies thing at Poch, but if Conte is being branded a miracle worker for what he's done on our budget then the same should very much apply to Poch who's at a club with a transfer structure that makes ours look like PSG and City combined) and if we had a season like that with say Sarri next season i genuinely believe he will get the time he needs.

Look at us now, what is Conte actually building towards? Ok he didn't get his first choice targets, boo hoo he's not the first in football and won't be the last, we have a flawed squad but enough quality to have some sort of identity and structure, what is ours? Since new year we have totally broken down and Conte is doing nothing to change things up, it's the same failed and tired tactics over and over again and he's starting to look like Carlo in 10/11 (and if you told me last May i'd ever say that i would have laughed at you). Its like he's (like Carlo) expecting things to fall back into gear eventually because they use to work. 

You say Conte can do little about defensive errors, what about hard work on the training ground? Poch took on defenders who were making fools of themselves under Sherwood and made the best defensive unit in the league, Conte has had 18 months to work on our defense yet (as clearly evident last two matches) we have a 21 year old carrying our defense and when he doesn't play we are defensively as bad as Liverpool.

2018 under Antonio things have looked totally damaged and while it's easy to say it's only a month, when has a manager hit such a rut at any club and come out the other side? It's very rare and history suggests things are only going get worse not better so why cling on (look at how much damage United clinging on to LVG has caused), we are nowhere near a Jose 15/16 all time collapse but we are very much in Scolari, AVB and Carlo season 2 territortry right now.  It's a real shame it's come to this as i honestly would give him 9.5 for last season but last season has gone, history suggests things won't get better so why cling on? Get someone in, galvanize the group and maybe, just maybe give ourselves a chance of the FA Cup and the Barca match.

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

cant understand Spanish but SPORT have something on their front cover about Luis Enrique and us

 

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=luis enrique chelsea&src=tyah

 

Apparently it says he will sign for 2 and a half years, just waiting for Conte to go

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

8 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Pochettino is a great coach but I'm concerned about how he hasn't won any trophies in England. Every manager we've had since AVB has won trophies. Di Matteo, Benitez, Mourinho (never counted Hiddink, because whats the point), Conte.... I think even if Conte doesn't get sacked (would be an idiotic move) and still wins an FA cup or something as well as securing top 4 status then the season isn't too bad. Pochettino if he had an appetite to win trophies, the smaller ones which he continually write off, then yes he'd be perfect but the thing is here, we want to win everything we are in, CL, FA cup, Carabao Cup, Community Shield and whatever. Hes very much a double ended sword, yes we will improve maybe, young players will get more of a chance but hes never worked in such a high pressure environment where he isn't always going to get his own way (lets be honest not going to change anytime soon) but he could come here, do great but ultimately win fuck all and get sacked again, look at Ancelotti when he won the double for instance, year later out for finishing 2nd. How many years have Spurs actually gone to the wire for the title? The year Leicester won it? When Spurs and Arsenal both bottled it? 

Tuchel no thanks. Allegri, maybe but again not overly convinced hes an excellent coach, Jardim is very much still unproven for me as well despite what Monaco did last season. Simeone is a top level coach, hes very much like Mourinho and Conte though in terms of style and the fans and squad might fancy a change who knows? Luis Enrique wants full control of transfers which he wont get so he wont be coming, plus again I'm not entirely sure he'd really want to come here anyway as well as the fact I'm not sure he'd be a success here. Plus his Barca team were also quite counter attack orientated as well, which annoyed Barca fans, which people already complain about here. Slutsky no way in hell, not even Roman is that stupid.

With regards to the bolded: I could say the same thing about Simeone or any other potential manager. So where do we go from here? 

Pochettino's criticisms/down-playing of the League Cup and FA Cup has always struck me as bizarre. But if he was ever appointed here, he'd understand that Chelsea want to win every trophy under-the sun and would thus adjust his mentality so I wouldn't be too concerned about that. Also, your failing to place Pochettino's success in proper context, like @Tomo alluded above, Pochettino is working on the absolute smallest of all budgets at Tottenham due to their owner, and he still just nearly had them winning the league. Yes he lost both times, but how can you not respect the process of how he has turned Spurs into a very formidable footballing outfit? Plus, If we're looking for a manager who understands working under a tight budget, I see no better candidate than Pochettino (along with the other positives I think he would bring.)

What I'm looking for, is a manager that has shown he has the capabilities of building a footballing brand and developing an identity. Especially one that is pressing + attacking based. And of the coaches I mentioned, atleast all of them are capable of that in Tuchel, Leonardo Jardim, Pochettino and Allegri (although the latter not so much imo.) 

Furthermore, your not convinced that Allegri is an excellent coach?!  How can't you rate a man that has gotten his team to 2 Champions League Finals in 3 years. Come on fam. Yes, Allegri is another pragmatic coach, much like Conte, and will cede possession in big matches if he thinks thats the best way to win, but he isn't as tactically rigid formation wise as Antonio Conte. Allegri would be the safest bet, if Chelsea want to continue the same short-term mindset that we are incapable of shaking. Under Allegri, I have no doubt we'll lift a trophy. But please if you don't rate Allegri as a tactical coach, please go watch Juventus vs Barcelona 2017 UCL Semi-Final 1st Leg, that was one of the finest tactical masterclasses you'll ever see. 

 

[Superblue 6,370]

Don't get me wrong, I think Pochettino is a very good coach and has definitely developed and progressed a lot of players at Spurs, but he is incredibly fortunate to have Harry Kane in his team. I know he broke through under Pochettino but he wouldn't give him many chances for a long while in his first season despite Spurs fans begging him to do so.

But I think if you put Kane and his goals in any of the other top teams, they would be pushing City for the title (think Suarez at Liverpool). That volume of goals from your striker is absolute golden and they benefit immensely from that where other teams competing don't.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

4 hours ago, Tomo said:

There's a difference between a teething problem struggle and the shit we have been served up since new year and well December too  (the results were still there at that point, but the warning signs were evident). 

Teething problem struggles would be Poch's first season at Spurs, Pep at City last season or if you want to look further back, Rijkaard's first season at Barca, all had inconsistent season's for various reason's but it was obvious to anyone with eyes that something special was being built (people can throw the no trophies thing at Poch, but if Conte is being branded a miracle worker for what he's done on our budget then the same should very much apply to Poch who's at a club with a transfer structure that makes ours look like PSG and City combined) and if we had a season like that with say Sarri next season i genuinely believe he will get the time he needs.

Look at us now, what is Conte actually building towards? Ok he didn't get his first choice targets, boo hoo he's not the first in football and won't be the last, we have a flawed squad but enough quality to have some sort of identity and structure, what is ours? Since new year we have totally broken down and Conte is doing nothing to change things up, it's the same failed and tired tactics over and over again and he's starting to look like Carlo in 10/11 (and if you told me last May i'd ever say that i would have laughed at you). Its like he's (like Carlo) expecting things to fall back into gear eventually because they use to work. 

You say Conte can do little about defensive errors, what about hard work on the training ground? Poch took on defenders who were making fools of themselves under Sherwood and made the best defensive unit in the league, Conte has had 18 months to work on our defense yet (as clearly evident last two matches) we have a 21 year old carrying our defense and when he doesn't play we are defensively as bad as Liverpool.

2018 under Antonio things have looked totally damaged and while it's easy to say it's only a month, when has a manager hit such a rut at any club and come out the other side? It's very rare and history suggests things are only going get worse not better so why cling on (look at how much damage United clinging on to LVG has caused), we are nowhere near a Jose 15/16 all time collapse but we are very much in Scolari, AVB and Carlo season 2 territortry right now.  It's a real shame it's come to this as i honestly would give him 9.5 for last season but last season has gone, history suggests things won't get better so why cling on? Get someone in, galvanize the group and maybe, just maybe give ourselves a chance of the FA Cup and the Barca match.

If we had someone like Poch as you suggest, he would be sacked long ago for not winning any title yet. 

While its true we dont build for long term, its actualy fact that Conte created better team last year than Poch all seasons combined. In the end trophies are everything in football. 

Spurs have good defence, good midfield, good attack and all is result of Poch, but hey they flopped every season in title race and they have fallen off this season a bit. Already lost Walker and its only a matter of time before they lose someone else. 

On another note, its incredible that Conte won league ahead of manchesters and last year very strong tottenham with that squad we had. But we sold two key parts in Costa (I still cant believe how did people not see his importance) and Matic and replaced them with frauds. One cant score open goal and the other cant control a football. 

We have pretty much same squad as last year with two much worse players in Morata and Bakayoko, but the rest are same. And yet they play lik shit. 

Its not surprising majority of these players pulled same trick under Mourinho. 

You certainly cant blame only Conte for this because he managed to motivate Juve for several seasons, he isnt the type to just let it go to shit.

But you can only do so much with the team we have. 

The difference between us and Spurs or City is they have players who can improve. Moses, Alonso, Pedro, Willian, Cahill, Cesc,...they all have been at their peak already. 

We spend so much money, but you shouldnt look at how much but at who.

We had to improve both fullbacks, we didnt. Emerson has long way to be in first 11. 

We had to bring striker who can replace prolific Costa, we didnt. 

We had to bring top DM, we didnt.

We had to bring quality central playmaker, we didnt. Cesc was bit player last season and thats what he is. Now he suddenly plays regulary because we dont have anyone else.

We had to bring quality winger, we stuck with Pedro and Willian. 

What we did bring were Rudiger who is fine, Drinkwater and Zappacosta who are terrible, Bakayoko who is clearly not ready and flopped, Morata who isnt reliable striker, Giroud who is stopgap, Emerson who is recovering, Barkley who fits in no formation we play etc etc.

The difference between spurs or city is they target players that suit them and can improve the team, small money or big money. Our scouting fills Conte with players that dont fit, dont have quality and most of them isnt even match fit.

Morata, Bakayoko, Emerson, Giroud, Barkley,...they couldnt feature in first game for us. City throws Laporte in match one day after he was bought. Similar with Auba, Mkhitaryan, Sanchez,...

The one signing equivalent to our business is Llorente to Spurs (who we were linked heavily too lol) who has flopped big time. Poch cant do anything if player doesnt have quality or potential, much like Conte. Except Conte has bunch of such players, you can sqeeze one top season out of them, but thats it. 

We played 3:4:3 last year and if we bought damn quality LWB, RW, striker and DM, we would be still very very quality side. 

But we sold Costa and Matic and bought average players. We are pretty much worse team than last year, only positive is Christensen who is doing well under Conte. 

Thats why Conte had to make patches with 3:5:2 which didnt work, several injuries and underperforming players and here we are.

The environment at Chelsea is toxic, like under Mou. But this happend second time now, its not just on manager. The players are equal culprits. You can see they cant string two passes between. 

I admit Conte isnt innocent. His defensive play is something I hate alot these days. We could play Eden, Morata and Willian/Pedro many games, but we didnt. Maybe because Bakayoko is so bad and we needed to add Cesc. These problems wouldnt exist if we actualy bought competent players.

Morata missing 1v1s isnt something Conte can do much about either. If you remember it all started with our bad finishing, then we couldnt create and now we cant even defend.  

We bought shit players, thats main explanation why we dont play well. Conte wanted Sandro and he got Zappacosta. And the constant talk of sacking and no future here, plus poor transfer support for his ideas, no wonder he will eventualy not give a shit. Trust and faith goes both ways.

Costa was pivotal in both title runs, probably more important than Eden when on form, and we replaced him with Morata.

You see all the negatives Conte makes, but hell he was doing miracles with this team. Now it just exploded as it was expected. Every neutral fan who watches Chelsea will tell you so. Our players have so little technical ability, you cant possibly make promising improvements like Pep did with City last year. 

Tell me how many Chelsea players can hold on the ball with composure? Eden. Kante. Christensen maybe. In tottenham and city you have Lloris and Ederson with more composure on the ball than our team, apart from those 3. Its funny but true. 

If we want to compete, we will have to buy better players. If we want longterm project we have to give manager more control. The club is somewhere in between and will eventualy pull the short straw on both ends. We have to make decision soon. Its the only way to stabilize our club.