Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Ok maybe not stupid But it is a very scarce way of looking at things; that you need those top managers. RDM won the CL and FA, in less then 4 months on the job. Carlo and Mou couldn't win us the CL with many years on the job, but they are better managers with better careers. I just believe that situation and fit should dictate your manager hiring not based on who has the best CV. If we take this approach we will be very successful. Barca was one example, i can name many examples of successful managers in successful situations.Honestly give me Jorge Sampaoli, and witness some of the best football Chelsea has ever played. Or Bielsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Or BielsaHave Bielsa come in for a year or two and then Sampaoli to take over. That would be sweet. Because let's face it, Bielsa is just like Mourinho. Good enough for a season or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,509 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Have Bielsa come in for a year or two and then Sampaoli to take over. That would be sweet. Because let's face it, Bielsa is just like Mourinho. Good enough for a season or two. The board would never go after Sampaoli because he has NO European club experienceIf we can't get Simeone or Conte (after Euro 2016), then Koeman would be an interesting plan B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3367947/Chelsea-consider-Manchester-City-manager-Manuel-Pellegrini-long-term-replacement-Jose-Mourinho.htmlI'm surprised many people in the comment section believe Pellegrini would be a good option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3367947/Chelsea-consider-Manchester-City-manager-Manuel-Pellegrini-long-term-replacement-Jose-Mourinho.htmlI'm surprised many people in the comment section believe Pellegrini would be a good option.Yea but if you read the comment section on most DailyFail articles it is 99% of the time full of clueless idiots. They come out of nowhere on those articles. The Chels and Ossie the King 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Gino 377 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Emenalo never wanted the club to hire Mourinho in fact he asked the club to hire Pellegrini and then asked the club to let him go to facilitate the hiring of Mourinho but was denied. Emenalo watched on as Mourinho got rid of Emenalo's signings like Mata, KDB and Schurrle and that had to sting. Now with Jose gone, Emenalo can put his stamp on things once Guus is finished. Emenalo's vision of Chelsea is similar to Arsenal: attractive football, young talent found on the cheap and promotion of youth to the first team. Pellegrini will check all those boxes as Emenalo's ideal manager. Like it or not. Sincerely a clueless idiot. ? Spike and Muzchap 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Pellegrini is tactically inept though, yes he plays with flair, but when Yaya and Silva aren't working the team is easy to beat, that's my main concern There seems to be some arguments around possession based football - for me tika taka isn't the only form of possession based football, I honestly don't mind about possession too much, it's what you do when you have the ball that counts. How many times last season did the pundits bang on about, they had 70% possession but still lost... Possession <> winning Although, I do admit it's impossible for the other team to beat you if they don't have the ball. I was hoping for Simeone or maybe Hiddink staying for a season, so I'm still ok with that - just think Pellegrini would be a step backwards, he has massively underachieved IMHO with City. Reddish-Blue and Ossie the King 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El P. 1,354 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Whatever happens... We need to STOP relying on managers to do miracles for our squad and build our own identity, not depending so much on manager we have. Buy sort of players for a football you want to play, and bring manager who you think can work out with those players.With that attitude you can change managers every two years, and it would be all good, just target those who are proven with a type of play you wanna play.If we bring Simeone and stick with this players, it's no good. If we bring Guardiola and stick with this players, it's even worse.This squad is suited for some a little bit attacking play manager. Not Simeone who is all warrior-defensive, not Guardiola who said himself that we need 10 new players (to play attacking), right?Don't know what will happen, but I know that we must build our own play by buying right type of players. The worst thing is, with no playing identity... When you are in position like that and you sack manager - you are completely lost. Just like we are now. Ossie the King and Cosmin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MefiX19 1,092 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Why we need to have some super star manager? It doesn't mean that we gonna win PL and UCL easy if Guardiola or Simeone would be our manager. I want some new ideas, new blood into managment, some young manager that can laugh with players, someone like Pochettino, Koeman, Emery. They are not overhipped like AVB was and they do wonders with their teams. Emery: EL, Koeman: Soton were 2nd half season and their team were all in vacation in Liverpool, Pochettino: Doing really great job with Spurs and Soton, Spurs are looking like top4 team. DYC. and positivefootball 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 This Emery fellow is flavour of the month all of a sudden huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Simeone will not leave Atletico. He loves everything about that club. He screams similarities in terms of Mourinho and I for one would like this club to transition out of such a tedious philosophy.While that's a nice picture, it's a fallacy.He'll get bored or something, but as a manager curiosity will get the better of him and he will manage elsewhere. Money talks, if Chelsea have the intention and the blank cheque to match the Simeone will be leaving Atletico Madrid.Whether he should or not, is another issue. I agree with you that we should go for a more open/positive manager, but Simeone would do wonder for organisation and defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Pellegrini is tactically inept though, yes he plays with flair, but when Yaya and Silva aren't working the team is easy to beat, that's my main concern There seems to be some arguments around possession based football - for me tika taka isn't the only form of possession based football, I honestly don't mind about possession too much, it's what you do when you have the ball that counts.How many times last season did the pundits bang on about, they had 70% possession but still lost...Possession <> winningAlthough, I do admit it's impossible for the other team to beat you if they don't have the ball.I was hoping for Simeone or maybe Hiddink staying for a season, so I'm still ok with that - just think Pellegrini would be a step backwards, he has massively underachieved IMHO with City.The whole possession thing is such a silly discussion. If you pull of moves succesfully, you retain the ball. The higher the succes rate, the higher the possession.Dortmund and Arsenal don't play the same footbal but they both average very high possession stats. Like you said, 'possession football' goes so much further than just one specific style of football.Attacking football is about getting forward, playing the ball vertically and taking risks rather than obsessing over keeping the ball for long periods of time. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 This Emery fellow is flavour of the month all of a sudden huh? Unai emery has been popular and respected since his Valencia days Blue-in-me-Veins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino's Skin 972 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 have any from this forum applied for the job yet? If so....I can provide a good reference for you Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,928 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Pellegrino being backed with a HUGE transfer kitty (I'm talking £150m) would be the only way I can see him being accepted by our fans. If he gets a few top class players in straight away like we did with Cesc and Costa and shows to the supporters that we'll be set up nicely I think we'll be happy.Otherwise there could almost be a Benitez-like reaction.I'm just trying to think of positives here to reassure myself in case this actually happens. He's an admittedly classy and understated guy who can play attractive, attacking football so it's no wonder our hierarchy would want him. He's proven that if he's backed in the transfer market he can succeed so you would hope that if we appoint him our board wouldn't sign any more Papy's, Hector's, or any other nobodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 We have to be honest with ourselves, challenging for the title next season is not a reality at the present moment, unless Guus works his miracle and get us back in the top 4 this season. You can't have this type of season, and think we will realistically challenge for the title next season. Mou has set this club back a few years, and it will take a few years to get back to where we were. Look at United they are still trying to recover from Moyes fuck up, so will we for the next few years thanks to Mou Mouyes.Also realize that we are in risk of losing our best players, its going to be difficult keeping our good players if other clubs come after them. Secondly without CL football we have to settle for 2nd tier players, we aren't likely signing impact players.It is going to be a process, next season get back to top 4 then go from there. Peace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,928 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 We have to be honest with ourselves, challenging for the title next season is not a reality at the present moment, unless Guus works his miracle and get us back in the top 4 this season. You can't have this type of season, and think we will realistically challenge for the title next season. Mou has set this club back a few years, and it will take a few years to get back to where we were. Look at United they are still trying to recover from Moyes fuck up, so will we for the next few years thanks to Mou Mouyes.Also realize that we are in risk of losing our best players, its going to be difficult keeping our good players if other clubs come after them. Secondly without CL football we have to settle for 2nd tier players, we aren't likely signing impact players.It is going to be a process, next season get back to top 4 then go from there.Agree with all of this except for potentially losing our best players. Honestly, Hazard is the only one any top clubs would be after considering our other star players have been so poor recently.Hazard is far and away our best and most important player. No chance we'll sell him. Short of him handing in a transfer request and pulling a Raheem Sterling I think Roman and the club will refuse any offers. The supporters would go mad if we sold him. We may become Liverpool of the past decade if we start selling players. We won't allow that to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 If you want Simeone here I presume you like your toast with nothing on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Why we need to have some super star manager? It doesn't mean that we gonna win PL and UCL easy if Guardiola or Simeone would be our manager. I want some new ideas, new blood into managment, some young manager that can laugh with players, someone like Pochettino, Koeman, Emery. They are not overhipped like AVB was and they do wonders with their teams. Emery: EL, Koeman: Soton were 2nd half season and their team were all in vacation in Liverpool, Pochettino: Doing really great job with Spurs and Soton, Spurs are looking like top4 team.Guardiola and Simeone came out of nowhere. So I don't understand the people who think we will die without the "best managers in the world"We need to gamble on something like that for us. Hecks for all we know Terry might turn out like Simeone. Has the passion, learned from the best and got the backing from everyone at the club. Ossie the King 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossie the King 634 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 If you want Simeone here I presume you like your toast with nothing on itI think the only toast we're thinking about is the one after we win something. I presume you want Pep or Santa to come here. I'm joking of course. One of those isn't really possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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