The Next Manager?

[The Skipper 20,593]

The type of football that Leicester are playing and walking the league with is counterattacking 4-4-2 football with ortho fullbacks. Watford who are encroaching on the CL places do the same. The traditional big clubs in the Prem are doing possession based football but it seems an unsustainable way to play, neither Arsenal or City in recent seasons have kept up their title challenges in recent years; Barcelona can do it because they're all in and have so many quality technical players that they can do like for like substitutions when their 11 is knackered, a winter break and a slower, less challenge tolerating league. Even their centre halves can probably dribble better than Diego Costa and many of his counterparts.

Possession based football can mean many things. Man Utd play possession football...with their back 4.

Playing a 4-4-2 formation and possession football aren't mutually exclusive though. Leicester are not walking the league either. The type of football Leicester play isn't exclusive to the fact that they play 4-4-2. Irregardless of that, you can't use half a season to prove that 4-4-2 is now the best formation around.

What sort of football do the best teams (Bayern, Barcelona, or even us last year when we were on fire for half a season) play? Weren't they possession based systems? Even before that, when City won the title... Again, possession based system. Your findings don't prove much at all. Leicester and Watford are just two good in-form teams, with good managers who know how to get the best of their players.

[Ossie the King 634]

My God - I don't want Pellegrino - I'd rather take a risk on an unknown manager.

That would be a step back in my opinion (usually worthless )

Pellegrino would be an admission that we don't want to win the league. I honestly think the only guy capable of going toe to toe with Pep at City and Jose at United is Simeone. That also requires massive financial backing and a clear idea of what our philosophy should be going forward.

We'll be underdogs financially against those two so we need a street fighter. People wanting fancy football can hop on the Piccadilly line from Earl's Court.

[Henrique 9,133]

Playing a 4-4-2 formation and possession football aren't mutually exclusive though. Leicester are not walking the league either. The type of football Leicester play isn't exclusive to the fact that they play 4-4-2. Irregardless of that, you can't use half a season to prove that 4-4-2 is now the best formation around.

What sort of football do the best teams (Bayern, Barcelona, or even us last year when we were on fire for half a season) play? Weren't they possession based systems? Even before that, when City won the title... Again, possession based system. Your findings don't prove much at all. Leicester and Watford are just two good in-form teams, with good managers who know how to get the best of their players.

At the moment Barcelona are so fucking awesome that I can't understand why anyone would say possession football belongs to past. No doubt the old tik-taka is over, but Barcelona is not a tik-taka team anymore, and even Bayern is not a tik-taka team. As you said before, possesstion doesn't mean tik-taka.

This Mourinho's side wasn't a counter-attack one, actually it was a team that for most part of the games had too much ball possession but just didn't know what to do with it, and was also, for most part, pretty bad in counter attacking, this is the reason why there were few occasions since 2013 that parking the bus paid off. Most games Jose opted for a ultra defensive approach, the team ended creating few to none counter attacking opportunities (that first leg against Atletico in 2014 UCL semi final).

[Fernando 6,455]

Pellegrino would be an admission that we don't want to win the league. I honestly think the only guy capable of going toe to toe with Pep at City and Jose at United is Simeone. That also requires massive financial backing and a clear idea of what our philosophy should be going forward.

We'll be underdogs financially against those two so we need a street fighter. People wanting fancy football can hop on the Piccadilly line from Earl's Court.

What if we can't have Simeone?

I really don't think he wants to leave.

What would be your second option?

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

A manager that a direct rival deems not worthy and will be dropped like a sack of potatoes for Guardiola is good enough for us, I guess.

Fucking hell.

Jeez mate, you make it sound like he's going to be dropped for Neil Warnock. It's Guardiola ffs, every manager in this world would be in danger of getting the sack.

I actually do not think he'd be such a bad choice to be fair. Think about it - Diego Simeone is the only manager worth figting for come next summer. Others are either under a contract, do not want to come here or Chelsea is not interested in hiring them. Plus we will be on a limited budget and no Champions League football.

Pellegrini is similar to Carlo if you ask me - he's a gentleman, brings calmness into a club, has a good relationship with his players and likes positive football. The thing is that, such as Carlo, he has no Plan B - it's either free flowing football, or he gets exposed. Does not have that balance between attack and defence.

But overall he is a decent manager and can build a competitive squad on a limited budget. I truly believe that Diego Simeone is Chelsea's no. 1 target, but at the same time the club must have a Plan B as well, in the eventuality of Simeone rejecting their offer and I think Pellegrini is right there on that list.

[Ossie the King 634]

What if we can't have Simeone?

I really don't think he wants to leave.

What would be your second option?

I'm actually not sure he'd leave Atletico.

Second choice, why not Steve Holland. Or John Terry. I don't see any other manager being as good as Simeone so why not take a punt on a left field choice?

[Fernando 6,455]

Jeez mate, you make it sound like he's going to be dropped for Neil Warnock. It's Guardiola ffs, every manager in this world would be in danger of getting the sack.

I actually do not think he'd be such a bad choice to be fair. Think about it - Diego Simeone is the only manager worth figting for come next summer. Others are either under a contract, do not want to come here or Chelsea is not interested in hiring them. Plus we will be on a limited budget and no Champions League football.

Pellegrini is similar to Carlo if you ask me - he's a gentleman, brings calmness into a club, has a good relationship with his players and likes positive football. The thing is that, such as Carlo, he has no Plan B - it's either free flowing football, or he gets exposed. Does not have that balance between attack and defence.

But overall he is a decent manager and can build a competitive squad on a limited budget. I truly believe that Diego Simeone is Chelsea's no. 1 target, but at the same time the club must have a Plan B as well, in the eventuality of Simeone rejecting their offer and I think Pellegrini is right there on that list.

I think you hit the nail here my friend.

To me it also seems that the club have been limited and will continue to be limited due to the stadium.

What we need is a Wenger.

I know we all laugh about it, but that's what we need while we build our stadium.

Mourinho can't do that, because he needs to buy in order to be competitive. I mean that's the main excuse everyone is saying why we are so bad.

Mourinho could not buy anybody this summer and that's why this whole mess happened.....

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

I think you hit the nail here my friend.

To me it also seems that the club have been limited and will continue to be limited due to the stadium.

What we need is a Wenger.

I know we all laugh about it, but that's what we need while we build our stadium.

Mourinho can't do that, because he needs to buy in order to be competitive. I mean that's the main excuse everyone is saying why we are so bad.

Mourinho could not buy anybody this summer and that's why this whole mess happened.....

The stadium + the mess we're already in. It will take at least a couple of years before we're back on track and I do not think that Simeone will leave the club where he's an absolute emperor to come to a new league, hardest in the world, a new lifestyle etc. Plus a league where he'd have to face the likes of Guardiola, Klopp, Wenger, potentially Mourinho in his very first season in England. Nah, not going to happen, he's fine in Madrid.

[Clockwork 1,794]

Seriously what a stupid notion that we have to hire Guardiola or Simeone to be successful.

Geez who won the treble last season? Luis Enrique. Who was also a game away from a treble? Super Max Allergi. Who was the manager who won a treble with Bayern? not Guardiola, but it was Jump Heynckes.

We can and we will be successful without the Guardiola, Simeone, or Mourinho's of the world.

[Ossie the King 634]

Seriously what a stupid notion that we have to hire Guardiola or Simeone to be successful.

Geez who won the treble last season? Luis Enrique. Who was also a game away from a treble? Super Max Allergi. Who was the manager who won a treble with Bayern? not Guardiola, but it was Jump Heynckes.

We can and we will be successful without the Guardiola, Simeone, or Mourinho's of the world.

Barcelona have a superb philosophy in place that provides consistency across managerial changes. We don't. We need to find that through our next manager and I'm of the opinion that the only one able to come in and do that fairly quickly is Simeone.

I don't think either is a stupid notion, simply different schools of thought.

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

Simeone will not leave Atletico. He loves everything about that club. He screams similarities in terms of Mourinho and I for one would like this club to transition out of such a tedious philosophy.

[Pizy 18,368]

Seriously what a stupid notion that we have to hire Guardiola or Simeone to be successful.

Geez who won the treble last season? Luis Enrique. Who was also a game away from a treble? Super Max Allergi. Who was the manager who won a treble with Bayern? not Guardiola, but it was Jump Heynckes.

We can and we will be successful without the Guardiola, Simeone, or Mourinho's of the world.

This is pretty stupid reasoning to be honest. Barca have 3 of the 5 best players in the world on their team. Juventus had far and away the best team in Serie A and could almost sleep walk the league over the past few seasons. Bayern are light years better than anyone in Germany.

David Moyes or Big Sam could win the Bundesliga or Serie A with those squads.

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

To be a top side we need to play like a top side. Our players are at a stage where they don't want to be the underdogs, this seems to be very clear right now. Once players reach the stage where they are expexted to win the league or champions league, the counter-attacking style of football has less chance of succeeding.

Come on Roman, we are in desparate need of becoming a dominant side again. Most of the recent Champios League winners played attacking and positive Football.

Attacking Football should be much preferred to counter-attacking as a football philosphy if we are to remain a top club for a long time.

[Clockwork 1,794]

Barcelona have a superb philosophy in place that provides consistency across managerial changes. We don't. We need to find that through our next manager and I'm of the opinion that the only one able to come in and do that fairly quickly is Simeone.

I don't think either is a stupid notion, simply different schools of thought.

Ok maybe not stupid

But it is a very scarce way of looking at things; that you need those top managers. RDM won the CL and FA, in less then 4 months on the job. Carlo and Mou couldn't win us the CL with many years on the job, but they are better managers with better careers. I just believe that situation and fit should dictate your manager hiring not based on who has the best CV. If we take this approach we will be very successful.

Barca was one example, i can name many examples of successful managers in successful situations.

Honestly give me Jorge Sampaoli, and witness some of the best football Chelsea has ever played.

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

Ok maybe not stupid

But it is a very scarce way of looking at things; that you need those top managers. RDM won the CL and FA, in less then 4 months on the job. Carlo and Mou couldn't win us the CL with many years on the job, but they are better managers with better careers. I just believe that situation and fit should dictate your manager hiring not based on who has the best CV. If we take this approach we will be very successful.

Barca was one example, i can name many examples of successful managers in successful situations.

Honestly give me Jorge Sampaoli, and witness some of the best football Chelsea has ever played.

Or Bielsa

[Fernando 6,455]

Or Bielsa

Have Bielsa come in for a year or two and then Sampaoli to take over.

That would be sweet.

Because let's face it, Bielsa is just like Mourinho. Good enough for a season or two.

[Reddish-Blue 2,347]

Have Bielsa come in for a year or two and then Sampaoli to take over.

That would be sweet.

Because let's face it, Bielsa is just like Mourinho. Good enough for a season or two.

The board would never go after Sampaoli because he has NO European club experience

If we can't get Simeone or Conte (after Euro 2016), then Koeman would be an interesting plan B

[Henrique 9,133]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3367947/Chelsea-consider-Manchester-City-manager-Manuel-Pellegrini-long-term-replacement-Jose-Mourinho.html

I'm surprised many people in the comment section believe Pellegrini would be a good option.