Graham Potter Thread

[Blue Armour 4,289]

3 hours ago, DDA said:

Really surprised by the hate Potter is receiving.. 

 

Forget managers..

 

These fucking spineless wankers who pretend to be footballers need sorting out before any talk of managers.

It's also possible that what you see is what you get.

Maybe both manager and players are trying but failing simultaneously. 

Thats why I've stopped ranting at either, even if I have my doubts about them.

The closest thing we have to talismans in the squad are out. And the rest of them are getting exposed.

 

[lucio 5,418]

4 hours ago, DDA said:

Really surprised by the hate Potter is receiving.. 

 

Forget managers..

 

These fucking spineless wankers who pretend to be footballers need sorting out before any talk of managers.

People  say that about literally any group of players at any club when things go wrong 

[Fulham Broadway 16,860]

7 hours ago, DDA said:

Really surprised by the hate Potter is receiving.. 

 

Forget managers..

 

These fucking spineless wankers who pretend to be footballers need sorting out before any talk of managers.

Agree with that- Man Utds resurgence is down to one thing - an iron discipline imposed by Ten hag - diet, timekeeping, even bed times. Also if they disobey an instruction on the pitch they are dropped.

Now, has Potter the ability to do the same ? Does he command the respect ? I don't think he does. 

Lets not forget most modern top players are a law unto themselves - rich beyond dreams, an agent in their ear every day saying - ''this club are interested, that club are interested'' (they get their 15% every time), instagram, and social media. Its all self interest bollocks without some kind of discipline enforced.

[Fulham Broadway 16,860]

It's no coincidence that Man Utds win rate has paralleled our defeats in the same period.

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Agree with that- Man Utds resurgence is down to one thing - an iron discipline imposed by Ten hag - diet, timekeeping, even bed times. Also if they disobey an instruction on the pitch they are dropped.

Now, has Potter the ability to do the same ? Does he command the respect ? I don't think he does. 

Lets not forget most modern top players are a law unto themselves - rich beyond dreams, an agent in their ear every day saying - ''this club are interested, that club are interested'' (they get their 15% every time), instagram, and social media. Its all self interest bollocks without some kind of discipline enforced.

That's all well and good on paper and it's worked at man utd, doesn't mean he could come to this set of useless players and do the same here, bed time? Fuck of come on lads let's get another one sacked.

And the main differences at man utd are the new players, casimiro, what a buy he has been.

Edited January 14, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[Fulham Broadway 16,860]

4 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

That's all well and good on paper and it's worked at man utd, doesn't mean he could come to this set of useless players and do the same here, bed time? Fuck of come on lads let's get another one sacked.

Needs the backing of the owner. Tbh cant imagine Potter upsetting anyone.

You nail the ringleaders and the others fall into place-Pogba, Ronaldo, prima donnas first. 

[Gundalf 804]

15 hours ago, didi007 said:

And who was the manager? The pull of the manager is just as important. If its Pep, Ancelotti, Mourihno or KIopp, every top player knows they are winners and will still want to work with them. Potter doesnt have that pull. Will any top player ever want to play for Brighton? Sadly thats where Chelsea is heading to.

 

Enzo Fernandez was craving to join us, with Potter as manager, and with our current situation in mind.  

[Costa19 858]

12 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

That's all well and good on paper and it's worked at man utd, doesn't mean he could come to this set of useless players and do the same here, bed time? Fuck of come on lads let's get another one sacked.

And the main differences at man utd are the new players, casimiro, what a buy he has been.

Yup he has been immense for them. 
They payed 70m for him and will get 2-3 good years for that.

If we payed that extra 30m for Enzo we could have had him for 10+ years…

Enzo would revolutionize our midfield.

[Vegetable 830]

Ofc it's always easy and doesn't require much thought to blame players for everything, but it's funny to see people thinking it's possible for the club to perform on highest level relying solely on individual player's skill. Yeah, PSG tried it in the beginning of their oil-era.

Unless Potter imposes basic structures NOW, like discipline, fitness, tactical idea, flexibility and MENTALITY (that I personally doubt he is capable of), you can excuse him to death, buy 25 new toys, then another 25 and then some and be utterly shocked we are still in the same place.

I perfectly understand TB rebuild idea, at least on paper, but it seems like quality, experienced and preferably having experience with each other group of people to pull it off and it's doubtful he got the group, from physios to manager. It won't work with half-assed characters.

Edited January 14, 2023 by Vegetable

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

10 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Ofc it's always easy and doesn't require much thought to blame players for everything, but it's funny to see people thinking it's possible for the club to perform on highest level relying solely on individual player's skill. Yeah, PSG tried it in the beginning of their oil-era.

Unless Potter imposes basic structures NOW, like discipline, fitness, tactical idea, flexibility and MENTALITY (that I personally doubt he is capable of), you can excuse him to death, buy 25 new toys, then another 25 and then some and be utterly shocked we are still in the same place.

I perfectly understand TB rebuild idea, at least on paper, but it seems like quality, experienced and preferably having experience with each other group of people to pull it off and it's doubtful he got the group, from physios to manager. It won't work with half-assed characters.

I think instead of the long post, you should just say it how it is, u dont like potter and you don't want him here, in your head you have never liked him and never will, right, now that's out the way, you can stop posting the same shit worded differently 👍

[Laylabelle 9,359]

25 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

Enzo Fernandez was craving to join us, with Potter as manager, and with our current situation in mind.  

Maybe he really likes a challenge

Edited January 14, 2023 by Laylabelle

[Vegetable 830]

5 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I think instead of the long post, you should just say it how it is, u dont like potter and you don't want him here, in your head you have never liked him and never will, right, now that's out the way, you can stop posting the same shit worded differently 👍

You clearly said you don't bother to read stuff you trying to discuss with and it shows, so why still comment under every single post I make? You either choose or are forced to choose to see things in most oversimplified way possible, that's fine - go back to giving Potter time and save your sanity. There's an absurdly hard to find, yet still existent "ignore" button and I wholeheartedly recommend to use it. 

Yeah, I don't like him and never wanted him here as he is ridiculously below Chelsea level. Sooner or later the shocking news that he is in best case very not ready for the job or in worst case just bad/mediocre will need to be swallowed even by English media loving his puppy, that so far seem to be the main source of support for this outlandish appointment. 

 

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

30 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

Enzo Fernandez was craving to join us, with Potter as manager, and with our current situation in mind.  

Realistically, he was only “craving” to join us as:

1) he was adamant to leave Benfica after winning the WC 

2) we were the only club who had indicated to the player, his camp and club we were willing to pay his release clause.

I mean he changed his tune pretty quickly after Todd Boehly and co fumbled the deal souring any chance of doing it this month. Look at his celebration the other game - does that look like somebody who was “craving” to join us or somebody upset he didn’t get a move he was desperate for? No, it doesn’t 😂

Come the summer lets see how keen he or some of the other elite level guys will be to join us when every other big club is willing to put their money where their mouth is.

This window was our only chance to get him, 100%, wait and see he will go anywhere but here now.

Edited January 14, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[Reddish-Blue 2,347]

8 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Realistically, he was only “craving” to join us as:

1) he was adamant to leave Benfica after winning the WC 

2) we were the only club who had indicated to the player, his camp and club we were willing to pay his release clause.

I mean he changed his tune pretty quickly after Todd Boehly and co fumbled the deal souring any chance of doing it this month. Look at his celebration the other game - does that look like somebody who was “craving” to join us or somebody upset he didn’t get a move he was desperate for? No, it doesn’t 😂

Come the summer lets see how keen he or some of the other elite level guys will be to join us when every other big club is willing to put their money where their mouth is.

This window was our only chance to get him, 100%, wait and see he will go anywhere but here now.

His celebration means nothing, he's just trying to back track now and still maintain a good relationship with the Benfica fans before he leaves at the end of the season (as Liverpool will be all over him if the Bellingham to Madrid rumors are true). 

As for the whole release clause saga, it's funny because all the noise about Chelsea paying Enzo's release clause was from Portuguese sources.  Ornstein was the only reliable source from an English perspective who said Chelsea were not interested in paying the release clause. 

[Reddish-Blue 2,347]

1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said:

That's all well and good on paper and it's worked at man utd, doesn't mean he could come to this set of useless players and do the same here, bed time? Fuck of come on lads let's get another one sacked.

And the main differences at man utd are the new players, casimiro, what a buy he has been.

Not just Casemiro, the squad signings have been solid as well (Eriksen on a free, Malacia as a backup LB). 

Even managed to get Cristiano to leave the club which is massive. 

2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

It's no coincidence that Man Utds win rate has paralleled our defeats in the same period.

It's Moyes 2.0 but this time it's our turn to deal with a bang average manager. 

Feel it's harsh to judge Potter with most of our backline out injured but the lack of fight in the players is a concern...

[Laylabelle 9,359]

40 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Realistically, he was only “craving” to join us as:

1) he was adamant to leave Benfica after winning the WC 

2) we were the only club who had indicated to the player, his camp and club we were willing to pay his release clause.

I mean he changed his tune pretty quickly after Todd Boehly and co fumbled the deal souring any chance of doing it this month. Look at his celebration the other game - does that look like somebody who was “craving” to join us or somebody upset he didn’t get a move he was desperate for? No, it doesn’t 😂

Come the summer lets see how keen he or some of the other elite level guys will be to join us when every other big club is willing to put their money where their mouth is.

This window was our only chance to get him, 100%, wait and see he will go anywhere but here now.

Yeahhh think that ship has sailed now

[Jype 6,398]

Whether Potter is good enough to take the club to the next level or not is besides the point.

The squad in it's current state would be problematic for anyone to handle so why not just ride this out, start rebuilding the squad with players better suited to the kind of football the club want to instill and if at that point Potter looks bad, then bring in another manager to continue his work with a better and more stable squad to start with?

The key is to build the squad with a certain footballing identity in mind and once that's done the head coach is basically just a cog in the machine that can be replaced without having to overhaul the squad every time a new manager comes in. That was the biggest problem for me during the Abramovich era where there was zero continuity and the playing style / system went from one absolute to another between managers and as as result the squad was a mash-up that had no clear identity.

Bringing in another manager in the current environment would be pointless without these changes and whoever came in would only be set up for a failure once again.

[Vegetable 830]

19 minutes ago, Jype said:

Whether Potter is good enough to take the club to the next level or not is besides the point.

The squad in it's current state would be problematic for anyone to handle so why not just ride this out, start rebuilding the squad with players better suited to the kind of football the club want to instill and if at that point Potter looks bad, then bring in another manager to continue his work with a better and more stable squad to start with?

The key is to build the squad with a certain footballing identity in mind and once that's done the head coach is basically just a cog in the machine that can be replaced without having to overhaul the squad every time a new manager comes in. That was the biggest problem for me during the Abramovich era where there was zero continuity and the playing style / system went from one absolute to another between managers and as as result the squad was a mash-up that had no clear identity.

Bringing in another manager in the current environment would be pointless without these changes and whoever came in would only be set up for a failure once again.

This is all true, but the question remains what about now? Is it okay to just give up and wait around until summer?

Let's face it, we are not doing anything this window, so the summer is only opportunity and I doubt we will be able to replace like 10 players in single window. And even if we will, it will be another months until they will get some cohesion. The six month until summer is bit of elephant in the room and surprisingly lot of people seem be ok with idea of totally downing tools, missing out on Europe and playing academy (wich is actually somewhat fine), whereas it is the time when Potter should at least demonstrate what is he capable of and what his general idea is. If he isn't capable of basic management with current squad, he won't be capable with "his players" and needs to go. (assuming he actually is working with DOF on building some vision and not just picking who he likes, what defeats the idea you are talking about)

The idea of literally just sitting around for 3/4 of season, replacing entire squad (wich is unlikely in practical terms) and only then expecting GP to actually START to get to work is just crazy.

Edited January 14, 2023 by Vegetable