Milan 17,962 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jason said: Could care less who said it. This is not the first time I have actually seen you use this and I was wondering (because it kept confusing me lol) - should it not be 'Could not care less'? Or is it used on purpose for a specifix reason? By no means is this a dig aimed at you but I like the English language and would like to know more, since you have been writting really decent English on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldportblue 547 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: Yes but think we also got lucky that the other clubs suffered financial hits from the pandemic. If the pandemic had not happened, I highly doubt we would have gotten Havertz and Werner for example as easily as we did. Bayern or Real Madrid would have likely signed Havertz and Liverpool may well have gotten Werner before we suddenly swooped in. maybe, maybe not... but now what we do have to attract more young top talent is a core of top quality top talent already at the club. IMO this will make chelsea a very appealing proposition next summer, if we perform this year as our talent is capable of.. Matt Law already stated that we will be going big next summer again so who knows, maybe the same/similar situation could even happen again, one where we are willing to spend big but some others aren't. Again don't necessarily think we will sign rice-gimenez-haland next summer but I could see us getting 2/3 (or some other top CB target other than gimenez) if we manage to sell some of our surplus players for acceptable fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tomo said: Havertz yes but Liverpool ended up spending not that much less (of what Werner would have cost) on Jota anyway. The Liverpool turned him down due to money spin is a blatant bit of PR, as Jota's signing proved. It turned out that Liverpool were able to negotiate a fee structure with Wolves for Jota, meaning they didn't have to pay 40 million upfront immediately. Werner had a release clause and I believe Leipzig wanted that fee to paid up right away. And I also believe Jota is on lower wages than Werner would have gotten there. Strike and Fernando 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,366 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, Jason said: How is this even comparable? On paper, yeah, Haaland is obviously the much more fancier name and player than Rice but if you look at what we need in this team, we need a defensive midfielder I responded to the post where someone said we will go for Gimenez and Haaland next summer and I just added Rice as a 3rd player we will go for This is also response to @Tomo comment on this page. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhead23 1,147 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, oldportblue said: ummm because haland is a generational talent who has all the tools to become one of the greatest strikers of the modern era...? as good as tammy is, he is not in haland's class unfortunately As to playing fifa/football manager, you would have probably said that last April too if someone told you we were about to sign havertz, werner, chillwell, ziyech, silva, mendy etc and yet it still happened. Not to mention that Matt Law already explicitly said that for phase II of this chelsea revolution next summer will also go very big as we did this summer. Yes Lampard already sold his vision successfully to two of the most sought after young attacking players in the world in havertz and werner, and with Hlanad who is already a huge admirer of his, he has the opportunity to do it again... I really don't see why haland being a huge lampard admirer "will not be a factor" as you claim. It's ridiculous to claim it as a fact that he's going to one of the manchester clubs, if you say it's a feeling you have or hunch, sure, but to state it emphatically is ridiculous imo. The dynamics in the market was different this time around and it helped us. Everyone knows Havetz and Werner would have ended up at a different club in a regular market, we made the best of the situation. We could very well have ended up with different set of players. U see Lampard admiration as a big factor while I dont ... nothing ridiculous about it. BTW sometimes u just need players who can perform instead of "generational talents" in your team ... If Tammy performs then it would be surely ridiculous to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Milan said: This is not the first time I have actually seen you use this and I was wondering (because it kept confusing me lol) - should it not be 'Could not care less'? Or is it used on purpose for a specifix reason? By no means is this a dig aimed at you but I like the English language and would like to know more, since you have been writting really decent English on this forum. Hope this helps. https://www.learnersdictionary.com/qa/What-is-the-Difference-between-I-Couldn-t-Care-Less-and-I-Could-Care-Less- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,822 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Didn't we have Werner, Tammy, and Giroud on the pitch at the same time already this year? Werner plays well off another striker. I could see Lampard wanting both Werner and Haaland....not saying it is going to happen. oldportblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2D2 368 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, Jason said: Yes but think we also got lucky that the other clubs suffered financial hits from the pandemic. If the pandemic had not happened, I highly doubt we would have gotten Havertz and Werner for example as easily as we did. Bayern or Real Madrid would have likely signed Havertz and Liverpool may well have gotten Werner before we suddenly swooped in. It's true but if we are to get Haaland, next summer would be our best chance for sure. United need a new CB and DM, won't go for him most likely, Real will go for Mbappe and maybe Camavinga, Barca are broke as fuck no chance, no room at PSG, that leaves only us and City, I definitely think this is possible but we will see until next year it's a lot and Lampard would need to improve us quite a bit to show his vision is palpable and not sweet words to convince players. oldportblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldportblue 547 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, coolhead23 said: The dynamics in the market was different this time around and it helped us. Everyone knows Havetz and Werner would have ended up at a different club in a regular market, we made the best of the situation. We could very well have ended up with different set of players. U see Lampard admiration as a big factor while I dont ... nothing ridiculous about it. BTW sometimes u just need players who can perform instead of "generational talents" in your team ... If Tammy performs then it would be surely ridiculous to replace him. The players we've signed all said he was a huge factor, if Haland already admires lamps, I don't see how it wouldn't be a factor but agree to disagree I guess. I am however very happy that roman seems to be much more ambitious than you are when it comes to going for top generational talents lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,119 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Yes yes bring phase 2 of this rebuild oldportblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,385 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Makes sense...... Werner---Haaland Pulisic------Havertz----Ziyech Kante oldportblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhead23 1,147 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, oldportblue said: The players we've signed all said he was a huge factor, if Haland already admires lamps, I don't see how it wouldn't be a factor but agree to disagree I guess. I am however very happy that roman seems to be much more ambitious than you are when it comes to going for top generational talents lol Good for you ... whatever makes you happy!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldportblue 547 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 30 minutes ago, Jason said: Could care less who said it. This could be all just empty talk for all we know. Furthermore, if Werner is Lampard's long term plan to be our #1 striker, then I don't see how it makes sense to get Haaland into the side. Neither is going to be happy to sit on the bench and even if we move Werner out wide, it will solve one problem and create another when we have a number wide attacking options as well as tons of midfield options. And constant chopping and changing the team isn't going to help anyone. As I said, let's see how Lampard develops the team this season before before we start thinking far ahead into next summer's transfer targets. the club is already thinking about next summer for sure, we apparently started thinking about/discussing with havertz more than a year before signing him, don't see the harm in discussing rumors from trustworthy sources, even if they relate all the way to next summer, especially in the "chelsea tranfer pub" forum... as to romano, you mentioned the rumors being based on a haland quote and I corrected you and brought up that the trustworthy romano has talked about it. You may not care what he says but he is usually spot on and doesn't often peddle BS stories like some others do so when he says something like this, it has some weight to it for many (myself included). I'm sure there are plenty of ways of fitting Haland and werner into the same line-up, be it 442, werner on the wing, occasional 433 or 4231 with rotation... Again not saying it's gonna happen that we sign haland, just find it funny when people (not you necessarily) dismiss this out of hand as something that won't/can't happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldportblue 547 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, coolhead23 said: Good for you ... whatever makes you happy!!! Thanks... I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, oldportblue said: the club is already thinking about next summer for sure, we apparently started thinking about/discussing with havertz more than a year before signing him, don't see the harm in discussing rumors from trustworthy sources, even if they relate all the way to next summer, especially in the "chelsea tranfer pub" forum... as to romano, you mentioned the rumors being based on a haland quote and I corrected you and brought up that the trustworthy romano has talked about it. You may not care what he says but he is usually spot on and doesn't often peddle BS stories like some others do so when he says something like this, it has some weight to it for many (myself included). I'm sure there are plenty of ways of fitting Haland and werner into the same line-up, be it 442, werner on the wing, occasional 433 or 4231 with rotation... Again not saying it's gonna happen that we sign haland, just find it funny when people (not you necessarily) dismiss this out of hand as something that won't/can't happen... Romano may be reliable but I don't see what's the point of talking so much about Haaland right now when (a) any potential transfer move for him is like 9-10 months away (b) only Romano himself has said this. If more sources start saying the same thing, then I'll be more than happy to join the conversation. Otherwise I don't see what's the point of talking about something that just came off from one person. And we will buy players next summer for sure but if you want to talk about Haaland, go ahead. I am just more interested to see how Lampard develops this team first before worrying about who we will buy next summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldportblue 547 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: Romano may be reliable but I don't see what's the point of talking so much about Haaland right now when (a) any potential transfer move for him is like 9-10 months away (b) only Romano himself has said this. If more sources start saying the same thing, then I'll be more than happy to join the conversation. Otherwise I don't see what's the point of talking about something that just came off from one person. And we will buy players next summer for sure but if you want to talk about Haaland, go ahead. I am just more interested to see how Lampard develops this team first before worrying about who we will buy next summer. fair enough, personally I'm interested in both our future plans and how we play and develop as a team now but to each his own. To me, Haland would be our best signing in the history of the club if we were to complete it so naturally this possibility excites me but I understand that not everyone shares these feelings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANILA 290 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Kante needs to be sold ASAP while he still has some value; can't play more than 3 games straight without having an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,822 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 oldportblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Think Haaland will end up at Man City. They definitely need a new top striker with Agüero turning 33 next year. Man City are also his dad's former club if that means anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said: So all those posts of people getting excited about Haaland... Strike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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