Chelsea Transfers

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To be honest, I thought the level of signings would not even be at the Ziyech and Werner level and thought that we had to get less obvious targets (Benrahma, Rice, Dembele level) or scout in 

But these two signings on board has pushed the quality level we are targeting in other areas as well. Havertz, Werner, Ziyech, Chilwell (or Telles, Alaba, Tagliafico), and Rice (or alternative) will be a stunning window and set us up with a core group for years!

[Vesper 31,099]

2 hours ago, Simon1991 said:

Thank you for taking the time to dig into it. 

You know as well as me how erroneous information can be shared all over the net by all kind of different sources, some more reliable than others. What those sites usually do is just quoting themselves. Just because i read it on "sillyseason", "soccerladuma!" or "prezi" will not make me buy into it more.

The most legit of the lot would be capology (maybe?), never heard of them and i have no idea of how reliable they are. I tried to find more about them, and by the looks of it, they have been reporting some weird stuff if true (have a look at the below). In the end and as far as i know, there isn't really any reliable website reporting on wages, its often just based on leaks and speculation.

Where i'm getting at with this is that neither you or I really know how much Oblak is earning, and that's a fact. All i know is that it strikes me as highly surprising that he would actually earn those wages, which is why i just don't believe it's accurate.

With that being said, if those numbers are true, we should stay the hell away from him, giving him such high wages would completely disrupt the club's wage structure.

 

that reddit rando was using this 

this is a faulty database of salaries and it had Koke Vegas the GK listed with Koké the Atleti MF's salary

the rando never had full access to Capology or he would have shown it from the site, not give a link that shows blocked data

he just took a faulty document making the social media rounds and did a FUD troll move

 

also you keep saying that you cannot believe Oblak is making that when you YOURSELF posted the article that shows he is (its within your article's range)

smdh

 

someone went in and just erased the salary for Koko Vegas but left his name there

also that salary listed is the OLD salary for both De Gea and Oblak, as they renewed  in 2019  for the 2019-20 season with HUGE raises (they are both paid basically the same, De Gea is on £375K PW, Oblak on £363K PW  at cuurent exchange rates)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18eFUrgZCiJhkrS3hiNB7W1rxXaU7hVjWtW662KSY4Y0/edit#gid=1863090231

 

 

[Simon1991 233]

@Vesper just want to remind you that your initial postulate was:

"I really do not know why people keep talking about Oblak without explaining how the hell we are going to take on his over £600K PW gross salary. (£358K PW net).

So you realized the net number you threw is actually his gross, that makes more sense. 

Now i was actually never trying to prove he earns X (as you seem to have misread from my posts) or Y, and me quoting AS was really just showing you can fin all kind of information on the internet, not saying at all this was accurate info.. My point of view from the start was that i was really dubious of him netting 358k/week.

Anyway let's put this to bed, cheers.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Does anyone else miss when you used to just talk about a player because he was a good player and not what his take home salary was and how that would affect wage structuring throughout the team 🙄

[Atomiswave 6,120]

3 minutes ago, ulsterchelsea said:

Does anyone else miss when you used to just talk about a player because he was a good player and not what his take home salary was and how that would affect wage structuring throughout the team 🙄

Those were the good old days

[Vesper 31,099]

3 hours ago, Simon1991 said:

@Vesper just want to remind you that your initial postulate was:

"I really do not know why people keep talking about Oblak without explaining how the hell we are going to take on his over £600K PW gross salary. (£358K PW net).

So you realized the net number you threw is actually his gross, that makes more sense. 

Now i was actually never trying to prove he earns X (as you seem to have misread from my posts) or Y, and me quoting AS was really just showing you can fin all kind of information on the internet, not saying at all this was accurate info.. My point of view from the start was that i was really dubious of him netting 358k/week.

Anyway let's put this to bed, cheers.

I went back and corrected it all and acknowledged that the article (and that was the only time I ever got into his pay before) incorrectly framed it as his net pay. His gross pay is 20.8m euros per year. That breaks down to £363m PW. I think that destroys our wage structure, but if Roman and the board can make it work (and avoid player mutinies), more power to them. I also think that Oblak (who already once flat-out turned us down, in summer 2018) is going to be very hard to convince.

I am sorry for all the misunderstanding that came from it. I never should have tried to extrapolate off that one article. I simply went off the history of Spanish salaries being quoted in net pay terms (Like the AS article itself did). I do not understand why they do that so often, as the gross pay is far more important to transfers and club underlying financials.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

Those were the good old days

A simpler time

[AOIRO 64]

Perfect   Oblak   (108m)

Very Good   DeanHendeson   Rajkovic   (over50m)

Good  Onana    Donnarumma  (35m?)

 

If we want  better  GK  ,   We  have to raise  more Money .

[OneMoSalah 9,104]

21 hours ago, Pizy said:

Atleti isn't even a massive, globally supported club. And Lá Liga payouts aren't nearly what PL payouts are, right? How can a club pay wages like that then?

Chinese shareholders bought a 20% (I think?) share in Atletico few years back before selling them after IIRC. They made Simeone is one of highest paid managers and gave bumper deals to Oblak and a few others at the time. 

[Vesper 31,099]

5 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Chinese shareholders bought a 20% (I think?) share in Atletico few years back before selling them after IIRC. They made Simeone is one of highest paid managers and gave bumper deals to Oblak and a few others at the time. 

Oblak only signed his new giant contract 15 months ago, April 2019

 

Oblak signs new Atletico Madrid deal
LaLiga Santander Release clause now 120 million euros
17/04/2019 14:02 CEST

https://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2019/04/17/5cb714f922601d07088b4601.html

the Chinese sold out 14 months before

Chinese billionaire Wang Jianlin sells Atletico Madrid stake as Wanda continues to trim debt
Dalian Wanda Group had bought a 20pc stake in the Spanish soccer club for US$52m in 2015
Published: 9:16pm, 14 Feb, 2018

https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/2133407/chinese-billionaire-wang-jianlin-sells-atletico-madrid-stake

[Vesper 31,099]

Friday July 17 2020 Football Nerd Should Arsenal cash in on one of their excellent goalkeepers?

Emiliano Martinez is proving more than a capable understudy to Bernd Leno By Daniel Zeqiri   Arsenal relied on a combination of good fortune, stout defending and excellent goalkeeping from Emiliano Martinez to beat Liverpool Wednesday night, and they will need more of the same to stand a chance against Manchester City at Wembley on Saturday. Bernd Leno was arguably Arsenal's player of the season before his injury at Brighton, and Arsenal fans feared the worst for this season and next when he was stretchered off. Arsenal are still in with a chance of European qualification via the league as well as one game away from an FA Cup Final, and back-up goalkeeper Martinez has played an important part in keeping their season alive. Some are even debating whether Martinez can dislodge Leno and claim the No. 1 shirt in the longer-term and if Arsenal should cash in on one of them to generate funds. The statistics certainly show Martinez has been one of the best goalkeepers in the Premier League, and I explore those numbers in greater depth here.

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Friday July 17 2020 Football Nerd Should Arsenal cash in on one of their excellent goalkeepers?

Emiliano Martinez is proving more than a capable understudy to Bernd Leno By Daniel Zeqiri   Arsenal relied on a combination of good fortune, stout defending and excellent goalkeeping from Emiliano Martinez to beat Liverpool Wednesday night, and they will need more of the same to stand a chance against Manchester City at Wembley on Saturday. Bernd Leno was arguably Arsenal's player of the season before his injury at Brighton, and Arsenal fans feared the worst for this season and next when he was stretchered off. Arsenal are still in with a chance of European qualification via the league as well as one game away from an FA Cup Final, and back-up goalkeeper Martinez has played an important part in keeping their season alive. Some are even debating whether Martinez can dislodge Leno and claim the No. 1 shirt in the longer-term and if Arsenal should cash in on one of them to generate funds. The statistics certainly show Martinez has been one of the best goalkeepers in the Premier League, and I explore those numbers in greater depth here.

Buy Martinez. It has been a long time since a goalkeeper has blown me away with his amazing performances. We sold Arsenal our second choice GK in Cech. I hope they sell Martinez to us lol.



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3 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Buy Martinez. It has been a long time since a goalkeeper has blown me away with his amazing performances. We sold Arsenal our second choice GK in Cech. I hope they sell Martinez to us lol.



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Thing that is interesting about Martinez is his handling. I haven't seen a GK catch as much stuff as he does when under pressure, for years. It is really impressive from what I have seen. 

However, there are a few things before everyone starts declaring he should be brought. 1) We only have a small sample size to go on, 2) He looks like someone that used to be obese and has lost a lot of weight - apparently one of the main reasons he hasn't really be seen until now is due to his weight, 3) His distribution isn't fantastic and everyone these days wants their GK to be as comfortable on the ball as a midfielder. 

[Vesper 31,099]

16 hours ago, AOIRO said:

Perfect   Oblak   (108m)

Very Good   DeanHendeson   Rajkovic   (over50m)

Good  Onana    Donnarumma  (35m?)

 

If we want  better  GK  ,   We  have to raise  more Money .

Rajkovic is the least expensive on that list. £20-25m or so would pull him, probably less

Stade Reims is a true minnow side, their entire market value is £66m atm 

look at their top value players

 

[killer1257 3,282]

Rajkovic is the least expensive on that list. £20-25m or so would pull him, probably less
Stade Reims is a true minnow side, their entire market value is £66m atm 
look at their top value players

 

Is there a reason why Rajkovic is never linked with any top club? I have never even seen him play, but people here seem to rate him highly. Does he have any great stats?

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53 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Is there a reason why Rajkovic is never linked with any top club? I have never even seen him play, but people here seem to rate him highly. Does he have any great stats?

Just look at the goals conceded by Reims. Best in Ligue1. Better than PSG even.

And there was a time around winter when they were number one in top5 leagues. Tibo was probably the only one with less goals conceded by the time French league was stopped.

He may get transfer in some solid team this summer like Milan, Valencia if they sell first keepers.

 

 

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Not being funny and it's not ideal but for next season if we could ship off Kepa to atletico and bring in oblak and play this formation we played today,I could happily keep the defence as it is. We'd win a lot more than we'd lose. Please don't give me the figures about why it won't be possible...I don't care! Love this side. Into the final eyyoooooooooo

[Vesper 31,099]

 

Marseille want £27m for him,Manure, Napolii, Spuds, Arse, Inter have been mentioned

he wants to come to the UK

[turgi 71]

18 hours ago, Vesper said:

Rajkovic is the least expensive on that list. £20-25m or so would pull him, probably less

Stade Reims is a true minnow side, their entire market value is £66m atm 

look at their top value players

 

Rajko 

[King Kante 1,643]

So, if we do get Harvetz in for £75m'ish, surely that is our transfer funds gone with Werner and Ziyech as well. 

What does everyone think we need after that and how do they think the club can raise the cash to pull it off? For me, I would be looking at something like the following: 

GK2 - I have no time for Kepa but also appreciate that shifting him is almost impossible. Further, Willy is now getting to the stage where you want him as a GK3 rather than a GK2. For me, we should look at someone like Foster if Watford go down. He would be free and keep Kepa honest. If Kepa continues to be crap then next Summer's budget can go towards a GK as Foster is not going to completely disgrace himself. Free

LB - For me, I do not want to spend crazy money on Chilwell. I have seen a lot of Chilwell this season and I just do not get the hype. If he wasn't English no one would want him. All he has over Alonso is stamina and pace, but Alonso is much better going forward. For me, it seems we really need a Robinson type (note not level as there isn't anyone available) of FB so we can play a back four then use Alonso in a back 5. For me, Telles ticks all the boxes here. Cheap, right age and can also take a set piece. He isn't get at defending but I do not think any of the top FB's are these days as if you want one that is good at defending you then need to accept they are going to play like Dave/AWB. £25m

CB - This is where things get difficult. I just do not see a player where we can all go, take that one, then we are set. KK is still very good but is getting on a will be a sunk cost if brought. Romagnoli whilst good does have questions over his ability to play in a more physical league. Further I doubt he will leave Italy. My ideal is De Ligt but that would take next level amounts of cash and wages so he has to be ruled out. The other players that have been mentioned such as the Florence CB, I have not actually seen play a game and I do not recommend or dismiss players based on their youtube vids/stats. They may be great, but I cannot say and I fully appreciate they may be better than the two I am about to suggest. 

However, I wouldn't actually mind someone like a Dunk or a Coady. Both of those players organise/lead their back lines, have plenty of PL experience and are at a good age. Obviously these players are not going to become VDV reincarnated but with the way our CB's have been playing this season, just getting someone who can organise us and head a cross would be game changing. £35m. 

DMF/CB2 - Rice - I think he would actually be a very good long term bet but something needs to be done about his price as people are talking about £70m, which is almost Harvetz level. For me, £45-50m is fair when you take into consideration English tax. This I think will take some clever swap. I reckon we should be looking at Barkley plus £20m.

When looking at out goings, we then have to get shot of the following; 

1 x AC/Rudi/Zouma - I would probably lean towards keeping AC as I want to see him play alongside a commanding CB but appreciate others will want him gone. Fee to be recieved £25-£40m (depending on who is sold) 

Emerson - Loan to buy (€20m/£18m)

Barkley - £25m-£35m/Swap

Baka - £20m - I see loads of people give him £30m values but I just do not see it as he will end up at a Milan or something and they just do not have the cash. Also, lets be honest he is crap. 

Batsh*t - £15m 

Potential sales

Jorgi - £35-£50m - Let's see is Sarri wants his 'son' back. 

Kante - £75m - Only to be sold for a high offer. Can see PSG doing this.

A number of the loan players these will probably go for £1-£6m.