lucio 5,418 Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 32 minutes ago, Gundalf said: Alternative means Plan B. Why opting for a plan B if plan A is possible? Im just mad that we didnt go for Rice. All other so called alternatives like Thuram or Kone or stuff are ass. Thuram pisses all over the cart horse rice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,513 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Either that or the football boffins up stairs don’t have an alternative which is even worse. To have shifted Jorginho, Kante, Kovacic and RLC in the last 12 months and having only Enzo as a new midfield player in that time is a pretty poor transfer strategy. Hopefully we seal the Caicedo deal (price will be ridiculous though either way) and another good level, experienced midfielder at least and soon to make their integration smoother. We will be in big trouble if we do not. We tried to move for Ugarte but then PSG overpowered us for him and for whatever reason we still haven't put in a bid for Lavia (who will be a star for years to come in the PL) Now the rumors of Arsenal going back in for Caicedo (if they sell Partey to Saudi League)...once again, the club has shown zero planning when it comes to getting transfers done early! Arsenal wanted a midfielder, they got Rice, Newcastle got Tonali, United got Mount, Liverpool got MacAllister and likely to get Lavia/Thuram/someone else into their midfield Why is it only us struggling to sign any midfielders and giving them as much time as possible to settle into Poch's tactics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,327 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said: We tried to move for Ugarte but then PSG overpowered us for him and for whatever reason we still haven't put in a bid for Lavia (who will be a star for years to come in the PL) Now the rumors of Arsenal going back in for Caicedo (if they sell Partey to Saudi League)...once again, the club has shown zero planning when it comes to getting transfers done early! Arsenal wanted a midfielder, they got Rice, Newcastle got Tonali, United got Mount, Liverpool got MacAllister and likely to get Lavia/Thuram/someone else into their midfield Why is it only us struggling to sign any midfielders and giving them as much time as possible to settle into Poch's tactics? where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,327 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,983 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Arsenal are not getting Caicedo aswell as Rice. That's just not happening. We really need to get a fucking move on though. Time is ticking. lucio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,385 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 . At least Brighton have their preseason the states too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 18 minutes ago, Mário César said: thoughts? Touching but we need players with actual technical ability. It would be nice to live in some fantasy world where Lampard is the manger , all the players are English. Cheek is flying into tackles , Gallagher scoring from 40 yards etc but it’s not the reality arsenal will find out the hard way, that they pissed away over £100m on an average brexit bum Costa19, Vegetable and Norfolkblue1961 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrenshah 186 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 (edited) Lukaku is giving me malouda vibes Inter are out, juve have just given verbal bid and i really dont see him going there given the abuse he got from juve fans, see juve back out and rightly so by aug. All depends on saudi now, if lukaku doesnt want to go there then we are screwed. Thats 50m+ possible income+salary savings rotting in reserves. I would rather take vlahovic for lukaku + 21m and send broja to pl loan to let him regain fitness. Or worst case sell broja after pre season if poch doesnt see the magic for crazy sum like 40-50m which someone in prem will surely be willing to pay. We are paying 21m for some franka dude noone has heard, same amount on vlahovic will be a better bet. Edited July 16, 2023 by shrenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea_4_eva 1,182 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 If the only way to get rid of Lukaku is to swap him with Vlahovic plus a little bit of cash, I would do it. Just get rid of this cry baby. shrenshah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,369 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 I'm wondering why is Poch or club against going for Vlahovic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 33 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: I'm wondering why is Poch or club against going for Vlahovic. It may be a wait and see with Borja and Jackson, make a decision after pre season. Like i said Vlahovic biggest issue imo is fitness, he has struggled with muscle injury for most of his time at Juve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,527 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 2 hours ago, chelsea_4_eva said: If the only way to get rid of Lukaku is to swap him with Vlahovic plus a little bit of cash, I would do it. Just get rid of this cry baby. No stay patient and when he runs out of options, he’ll take Saudi enzoforever and mkh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,350 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Just hope all the media talk of us getting Neymar is just an inept PR exercise, rather than any substance to it. Absolute no from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegetable 830 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 7 hours ago, Mário César said: thoughts? Never been a fan of Rice concept, but if all this ordeal was just for two tiktokers to reunite, than it's even better we've somehow managed to avoid it. Norfolkblue1961 and NikkiCFC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundalf 806 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: I'm wondering why is Poch or club against going for Vlahovic. Gives me some Morata vibes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,985 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 41 minutes ago, Gundalf said: Gives me some Morata vibes. Yeah, I actually do think Morata is a great comparison. Strikers that have all the talent but don’t really apply it on the pitch consistently enough to be elite. Like Morata, when he’s in top form you think “wow, he’s amazing,” but then he can look like a donkey a lot of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhsc 1,109 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Pizy said: Yeah, I actually do think Morata is a great comparison. Strikers that have all the talent but don’t really apply it on the pitch consistently enough to be elite. Like Morata, when he’s in top form you think “wow, he’s amazing,” but then he can look like a donkey a lot of the time. 1 hour ago, Gundalf said: Gives me some Morata vibes. 4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: I'm wondering why is Poch or club against going for Vlahovic. Tbh, I think this is a result of the data-led approach to recruitment we are using. If you look at Vlahovic from a statistical PoV, he is pretty uninspiring, so you'd be betting on him improving a lot by good coaching. For example, here is him in his last full year at Fiorentina, where he was 'very hot' (top) vs Lukaku last season at Inter (middle) vs Lukaku at Inter in his hot year under Conte (bottom): You can cut the stats in loads of ways, but when normalised by per 90 mins played he really does not look like a player that you should be splurging huge money on. Add to that his injury problems and perceived mental weakness, and you probably don't want to make this guy your main striker if you're a top club, he should be your up and coming promising option who is a sub that you hope can develop into your main man. He should never have joined Juve and gone somewhere that plays football that suits him with a coach that develops young players and spent time there until he was in his mid 20s, when maybe he would grow into a player at Ivan Toney's level but probably not higher. For example a few year stint at a club like Brighton would probably have been amazing for this kid. Edited July 16, 2023 by Mhsc Pizy and Reddish-Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,513 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 45 minutes ago, Pizy said: Yeah, I actually do think Morata is a great comparison. Strikers that have all the talent but don’t really apply it on the pitch consistently enough to be elite. Like Morata, when he’s in top form you think “wow, he’s amazing,” but then he can look like a donkey a lot of the time. I don't think Morata has ever been amazing, he generally gets to about 15 goals a season (league + european football). As for Vlahovic, feel like the step up to Juventus was too soon for him, same as Jovic struggling after going from Frankfurt to Real Madrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,513 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Clockwork said: It may be a wait and see with Borja and Jackson, make a decision after pre season. Like i said Vlahovic biggest issue imo is fitness, he has struggled with muscle injury for most of his time at Juve. Sounds like another version of Pulisic....consistently picking up injuries for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,985 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 I guess the only thing you can say about Vlahovic if you’re trying to talk yourself into him is that perhaps he looks much better in a side that’s not coached by Allegri who Juve supporters were complaining about all season from what I saw. Not someone you want to spend 70m on but if the price were somehow reasonable there IS a player in there. mkh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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