Chelsea Transfers

[DDA 9,689]

9 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

With this scenario and right after the competition, they made their first meeting with Benfica. The Portuguese club made it clear to them: they paid the €120 million of the exit clause, which had to be in a single installment, and they kept it.
However, Chelsea made a verbal counter-offer: it stated that it was willing to invest 127 million euros, but on payment in several installments. After deliberating for several days and accepting the Argentine's request to make the leap to the Premier League, president Rui Costa opened the doors to negotiations.
Negotiations began days before the New Year and were stalled for the holidays without an agreement yet. Chelsea didn't even correct Enzo's contract because they knew it wouldn't be a problem, as they knew his salary at Benfica and could easily improve it.
On Monday, January 2nd, the clubs resumed their dialogue: Benfica was waiting for the structure of a complex operation to be set up. What does this means? Of those 127 million euros that Chelsea said it would pay, how much would it be in a first payment, installments and how much money would it be in goals.
However, the English -always verbally- changed the conditions and the club that owned Enzo's pass issued an ultimatum: everything had to be resolved within 48 hours.
Both on Tuesday, the 3rd, and on Wednesday, the 4th, they met in person in long meetings that ended until dawn in Europe.
Yesterday, Chelsea (the negotiation was led by sporting director Christopher Vivell and everything was accompanied by Todd Boehly, the English owner of the club) informally made a proposal to Benfica: 90 million euros to be paid in four installments and the possibility of having players of soccer in the middle of the operation. The Portuguese, revolted, returned to the initial position of rescission clause or nothing and said that the decision was engraved in stone. And they ended the meeting.
In this way, the operation is dead today, unless the English review their plans and get the footballer to execute the exit clause, an amount they are not willing to spend.

 

The state of this club, no doubt expected the owner to blunder this somehow but Vivell being just as pathetic.

Are you ok? Genuine question.

 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

7 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

With this scenario and right after the competition, they made their first meeting with Benfica. The Portuguese club made it clear to them: they paid the €120 million of the exit clause, which had to be in a single installment, and they kept it.
However, Chelsea made a verbal counter-offer: it stated that it was willing to invest 127 million euros, but on payment in several installments. After deliberating for several days and accepting the Argentine's request to make the leap to the Premier League, president Rui Costa opened the doors to negotiations.
Negotiations began days before the New Year and were stalled for the holidays without an agreement yet. Chelsea didn't even correct Enzo's contract because they knew it wouldn't be a problem, as they knew his salary at Benfica and could easily improve it.
On Monday, January 2nd, the clubs resumed their dialogue: Benfica was waiting for the structure of a complex operation to be set up. What does this means? Of those 127 million euros that Chelsea said it would pay, how much would it be in a first payment, installments and how much money would it be in goals.
However, the English -always verbally- changed the conditions and the club that owned Enzo's pass issued an ultimatum: everything had to be resolved within 48 hours.
Both on Tuesday, the 3rd, and on Wednesday, the 4th, they met in person in long meetings that ended until dawn in Europe.
Yesterday, Chelsea (the negotiation was led by sporting director Christopher Vivell and everything was accompanied by Todd Boehly, the English owner of the club) informally made a proposal to Benfica: 90 million euros to be paid in four installments and the possibility of having players of soccer in the middle of the operation. The Portuguese, revolted, returned to the initial position of rescission clause or nothing and said that the decision was engraved in stone. And they ended the meeting.
In this way, the operation is dead today, unless the English review their plans and get the footballer to execute the exit clause, an amount they are not willing to spend.

 

The state of this club, no doubt expected the owner to blunder this somehow but Vivell being just as pathetic.

Some fan you are mate, seriously you are ready to drag the club your apparently love through the mud, because of what ppl are saying on twitter none of which can be deemed fact as of yet? 

[TheHulk 1,882]

1 minute ago, DDA said:

Are you ok? Genuine question.

 

No I'm not ok, if you seriously think a businessman let alone a billionaire can be so stupid. Do you understand what keeping word means? If you weren't planning to pay the 120M all fine but don't lie like a pig, put people to come to the table with the intention of paying 120M and after lowball with different numbers. This is absolutely embarrassing stuff no way you turn it.

[OneMoSalah 8,783]

 

8 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

With this scenario and right after the competition, they made their first meeting with Benfica. The Portuguese club made it clear to them: they paid the €120 million of the exit clause, which had to be in a single installment, and they kept it.
However, Chelsea made a verbal counter-offer: it stated that it was willing to invest 127 million euros, but on payment in several installments. After deliberating for several days and accepting the Argentine's request to make the leap to the Premier League, president Rui Costa opened the doors to negotiations.
Negotiations began days before the New Year and were stalled for the holidays without an agreement yet. Chelsea didn't even correct Enzo's contract because they knew it wouldn't be a problem, as they knew his salary at Benfica and could easily improve it.
On Monday, January 2nd, the clubs resumed their dialogue: Benfica was waiting for the structure of a complex operation to be set up. What does this means? Of those 127 million euros that Chelsea said it would pay, how much would it be in a first payment, installments and how much money would it be in goals.
However, the English -always verbally- changed the conditions and the club that owned Enzo's pass issued an ultimatum: everything had to be resolved within 48 hours.
Both on Tuesday, the 3rd, and on Wednesday, the 4th, they met in person in long meetings that ended until dawn in Europe.
Yesterday, Chelsea (the negotiation was led by sporting director Christopher Vivell and everything was accompanied by Todd Boehly, the English owner of the club) informally made a proposal to Benfica: 90 million euros to be paid in four installments and the possibility of having players of soccer in the middle of the operation. The Portuguese, revolted, returned to the initial position of rescission clause or nothing and said that the decision was engraved in stone. And they ended the meeting.
In this way, the operation is dead today, unless the English review their plans and get the footballer to execute the exit clause, an amount they are not willing to spend.

 

The state of this club, no doubt expected the owner to blunder this somehow but Vivell being just as pathetic.

Seriously I would think that this is more Boehly led than Vivell also.

Vivell is barely in the door and we still lack parts of the infrastructure to work with him. He's only a technical director, is he going to he sporting director also? Is it going to be a hybrid role? Is it going to be a more specific role?

Plus the time that is needed to get it going efficiently, establishing scouting networks, relationships with clubs and the data side of things is probably not all set up as extensively as at other clubs so I would imagine the blame has to be more with the owner for than Vivell. Particularly for transfers.

Someone put it right up there, Boehly has sort of set out with the right intentions. For me though he’s been pretty fucking hopeless so far. That tag will stick with him until he takes a step back and lets football people make these decisions. 

Edited January 5, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[MoroccanBlue 5,318]

14 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Disagree. Our biggest issue is attack. It has been for about 6 or 7 years now. The MF is aging and has some disadvantages but again its not as if the 3 you mentioned are poor players or haven't delivered consistently. Where as in attack, you could say that a lot of them are genuinely poor players ie. Ziyech, Pulisic, Havertz (well hes more inconsistent than poor but his inconsistency makes him very poor/average). 

If the WC never happened I’d be surprised if anybody was excessively keen on Enzo Fernandez right now. Had heard of him before but I doubt many would of wanted him as eagerly and it is interesting that the club weren’t linked to him before Liverpool and Man City’s apparent interest also during the world cup. Just seems like we’re again going for players that other teams have been on the trail of. 

As @Tomo said, with a good system in place, we won the CL with Jorginho, Kante and Kovacic. We had worse forwards but ultimately poor forwards is what probably has held us back going another level with Tuchel’s system. 

Think he was implying to sort out the midfield first, ala United with Casemiro and Eriksen over Fred and McTominay. 

[TheHulk 1,882]

1 minute ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Some fan you are mate, seriously you are ready to drag the club your apparently love through the mud, because of what ppl are saying on twitter none of which can be deemed fact as of yet? 

The people working at the club drag the club through the mud not me, some of you are in denial mode, everyone reports the same shit, when you think about it, the story also matches perfectly why Benfica suddenly want buyout clause after initially being willing to negotiate.

[Vegetable 830]

9 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

No I'm not ok, if you seriously think a businessman let alone a billionaire can be so stupid. Do you understand what keeping word means? If you weren't planning to pay the 120M all fine but don't lie like a pig, put people to come to the table with the intention of paying 120M and after lowball with different numbers. This is absolutely embarrassing stuff no way you turn it.

Sorry to lay it down to you, but he is a businessman and billionaire because he is NOT stupid. This is how business work - asking prices are asking prices and reality is reality. Ever tried to buy a house or car from someone?

There is literally no interest for other clubs, Benfica is clearly playing hardball on us, he would be idiot paying 127 million for player, who literally didn't exist in November, from team that isn't even worth this much as a whole company. They don't want to sell, they can fuck off and try their luck somewhere else, that's how it works. And expecting someone to pay LEAGUE RECORD for some random just because he got twitter hype after wc is ridiculous - after 15 or so years I see that kind of fans we were ridiculed for when Roman took over actually exist.    

Edited January 5, 2023 by Vegetable

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

5 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

The people working at the club drag the club through the mud not me, some of you are in denial mode, everyone reports the same shit, when you think about it, the story also matches perfectly why Benfica suddenly want buyout clause after initially being willing to negotiate.

When you buy a car, it has a price tag onit, look at that price as a buy out Claus, u pay that money it's yours 100% no questions asked, that also makes you an idiot especially if you don't even try get money off.

[OneMoSalah 8,783]

11 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Some fan you are mate, seriously you are ready to drag the club your apparently love through the mud, because of what ppl are saying on twitter none of which can be deemed fact as of yet? 

It was the same with Roman and Maria as well. Or Emenalo. Or whatever. Its just standard.

Although lets not pretend every decision, transfer, sale or contract negotiation/lack of that these lot have made has worked.

Re Enzo - If the stuff re saying we could pay the release clause, then apparently being willing to pay 127m in instalments before completely switching it up to the 85m plus 3 players is true, then wow. Clearly the plan was to hope the players desire to move would force Benfica’s hand (which is stupid because you look at Benfica in the past they don’t sell unless it suits their terms so maybe a lack of knowledge on European football from him) then it would be another huge loss in such a short time for him as it seemed more probable that the deal was done hypothetically before we even made a bid. Then we make a bid and its just not even close.

Although I never expected that the deal was ever close. Too complex and too much money for January to pay €106-127m

Edited January 5, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

4 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

It was the same with Roman and Maria as well. Or Emenalo. Its just standard.

Although lets not pretend every decision, transfer, sale or contract negotiation/lack of that these lot have made has worked.

If the stuff re negotiating for the release clause, then apparently being willing to pay 127m, then completely switching it up to the 85m plus 3 players hoping the players desire to move would force Benfica’s hand is true though, it would be another huge loss in such a short time for him. 

That's if it's true, problem is our fans are the easiest to clickbait.

[Fernando 6,481]

I'm happy with the approach of getting these younger guys. 

It reminds me of 2012 when we had a lot of younger players, but we screwed up by getting Mourinho. 

The real work of Potter is to blend those younger guys in. I remember reading how he did that at Brighton. 

That's why this season is a free pass, he needs to get rid of a lot of deadwood and older guys that don't fit with what we are aiming for. 

[Vegetable 830]

1 minute ago, YorkshireBlue said:

When you buy a car, it has a price tag onit, look at that price as a buy out Claus, u pay that money it's yours 100% no questions asked, that also makes you an idiot especially if you don't even try get money off.

It indeed has a pricetag and I know no person alive who actually paid this sum. Also, I have no big doubts that Liverpool would get this guy for 27 mil, not 127 and Benfica would also include flowers and chocolates in the deal. 

[Fernando 6,481]

25 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

We've officially signed Badiashile. 

Wooooooooooo.........

Where's the thread for him? 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

5 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Where's the thread for him? 

The Twitter comments are disgusting 

[TheHulk 1,882]

Just now, Vegetable said:

Sorry to lay it down to you, but he is a businessman and billionaire because he is NOT stupid. This is how business work - asking prices are asking prices and reality is reality. There is literally no interest for other clubs, Benfica is clearly playing hardball on us, he would be idiot paying 127 million for player, who literally didn't exist in November, from team that isn't even worth this much as a whole company. They don't want to sell, they can fuck off and try their luck somewhere else, that's how it works. And expecting someone to pay LEAGUE RECORD just because is ridiculous - after 15 or so years I see that kind of fans we were ridiculed for when Roman took over actually exist.    

Do you still not understand the problem? The main problem is the American verbally told Benfica we we're willing to pay the 120M, Benfica came to the table BECAUSE of this, they we're willing to negotiate instead of buyout knowing Boehly told them an offer around 120M was on the table. The negotiations and time wasting happened because Benfica was told something and as soon as they discussed Boehly came up with other numbers 85M. 

Of course they got pissed off and rightfully so, what kind of shady shit is this. Why didn't Boehly simply say, listen I want us to come to the table an discuss a price around 85-90M for Enzo but of course he didn't do this because Benfica wouldn't even turn up for negotiations. The reality is the American wasted Rui Costa's time, wasted Enzo's time, waste Mendez time and wasted all our time. What a shady ass business work this is.

[bijitaq 9]

5 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Sorry to lay it down to you, but he is a businessman and billionaire because he is NOT stupid. This is how business work - asking prices are asking prices and reality is reality. Ever tried to buy a house or car from someone?

There is literally no interest for other clubs, Benfica is clearly playing hardball on us, he would be idiot paying 127 million for player, who literally didn't exist in November, from team that isn't even worth this much as a whole company. They don't want to sell, they can fuck off and try their luck somewhere else, that's how it works. And expecting someone to pay LEAGUE RECORD for some random just because he got twitter hype after wc is ridiculous - after 15 or so years I see that kind of fans we were ridiculed for when Roman took over actually exist.    

I'm in awe of your entitlement. Did Benfica contact Chelsea to sell Enzo or was it the other way around? Benfica is a football club and we want to win silverware, that's it. Your club knew the conditions of the deal upfront. Imagine being outraged because a club doesn't want to sell one of his best players in the January window bellow the release clause. Delusional. 

[TheHulk 1,882]

7 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

When you buy a car, it has a price tag onit, look at that price as a buy out Claus, u pay that money it's yours 100% no questions asked, that also makes you an idiot especially if you don't even try get money off.

You do this at the start of the negotiations not at the end when the buyer is like but you said you want to pay the tag price. Be fair and square, let him know you want to negotiate at a lower price, don't fucking waste his time telling you want the tag price to put him on the table and after lowball, this is embarrassing shit.

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

6 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

You do this at the start of the negotiations not at the end when the buyer is like but you said you want to pay the tag price. Be fair and square, let him know you want to negotiate at a lower price, don't fucking waste his time telling you want the tag price to put him on the table and after lowball, this is embarrassing shit.

It's business, you think these ppl have all this money from been upfront and straight?

Edited January 5, 2023 by YorkshireBlue