Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 38 minutes ago, Clockwork said: EPL tv rights and money distribution is primary responsible, equal distribution of money is terrible and it gives lower club a lot of power. Obviously, distributional justice is hard to understand for an American lol... nah jk. the reason is simpler... 29 minutes ago, Kong said: Lower clubs? I don't agree that clubs with owners not as rich as some should receive less money from the EPL. You simply can't say because we are Chelsea we are entitled more then say Brighton, don't u ever forget that we once was a lower club, so have some respect and don't turn your nose up at clubs like we used to be. It is the PLs business modell splitting the money more evenly, giving the smaller clubs power to make the competition more interesting and thus create the better product overall. As a consequence the PL attracts more viewers from everywhere and the money overall increases for everyone. In spain and germany the leagues only get a fraction of the TV money overall but most of it gets into the pockets of the big clubs, so they can still somewhat compete with the English sides. So, to some exent it is in line with the economic and social models of those countries. In america a select few franchises (or corporations, or ppl) get all the money while the rest not only gets nothing but also gets fucked over by the rich for fun. In Germany and Spain we try to do it the same way but just are not as ruthless with it so a shallow egalitarian veneer is preserved. Britain retains some form of multi-layered aristocracy spiced up with that typcial British habit to shoot oneself in the foot with that bloated calender and subs rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 27 minutes ago, Kong said: Lower clubs? I don't agree that clubs with owners not as rich as some should receive less money from the EPL. You simply can't say because we are Chelsea we are entitled more then say Brighton, don't u ever forget that we once was a lower club, so have some respect and don't turn your nose up at clubs like we used to be. The revenue and viewership Chelsea brings to the league is astonishing higher, no one cares for Brighton football club outside of the city of Brighton. No it doesn’t make sense for both clubs to be paid equally. My viewpoint is based on principle, not looking down on them it just how I feel. I think the clubs that are global brands should not be treated equally with Leeds, Brighton, etc. The small clubs in the PL is the biggest reason why transfer market is so messed up. The revenue and tv rights of the PL has skyrocketed and it has made a lot of lower clubs very fat. The have the financial to compete with some of the biggest club in the world. Boycie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 57 minutes ago, Kong said: Lower clubs? I don't agree that clubs with owners not as rich as some should receive less money from the EPL. You simply can't say because we are Chelsea we are entitled more then say Brighton, don't u ever forget that we once was a lower club, so have some respect and don't turn your nose up at clubs like we used to be. But then the likes of Fulham and Norwich getting "reward" money for finishing bottom and yo yoing between the two divisions has shut down the route to the PL for another dreamer club like Blackpool in 2010. Where's the line? Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Superblue 6,372 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 36 minutes ago, Clockwork said: The revenue and viewership Chelsea brings to the league is astonishing higher, no one cares for Brighton football club outside of the city of Brighton. No it doesn’t make sense for both clubs to be paid equally. My viewpoint is based on principle, not looking down on them it just how I feel. I think the clubs that are global brands should not be treated equally with Leeds, Brighton, etc. The small clubs in the PL is the biggest reason why transfer market is so messed up. The revenue and tv rights of the PL has skyrocketed and it has made a lot of lower clubs very fat. The have the financial to compete with some of the biggest club in the world. 23 minutes ago, Tomo said: But then the likes of Fulham and Norwich getting "reward" money for finishing bottom and yo yoing between the two divisions has shut down the route to the PL for another dreamer club like Blackpool in 2010. Where's the line? The TV revenue distribution is correct in my opinion. Yes the top 4 - 6 teams are what drive the revenues but you still need the other 14 teams to make the league and its competitive nature is definitely a selling point in the marketability and brand. It is also vitally important for the whole football pyramid that these revenues trickle down. There is certainly an argument on possibly a greater share or greater disparity in payments for league finish, but the overall TV distribution should remain equal. The parachute payments however I don't agree with as it does create yo-yo teams and disproportionate quality in the Championship. In my opinion it should be a mandatory requirement for clubs to have written into player contracts both wage cuts as a result of relegation (25-50%) and reasonable relegation release clauses. If a club has failed in the Premier League it should be their responsibility to restructure their club in the Championship, not be given a chance to retain the bulk of their team to have a crack at getting straight back up. Tomo and Fernando 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 40 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said: Obviously, distributional justice is hard to understand for an American lol... nah jk. the reason is simpler... It is the PLs business modell splitting the money more evenly, giving the smaller clubs power to make the competition more interesting and thus create the better product overall. As a consequence the PL attracts more viewers from everywhere and the money overall increases for everyone. In spain and germany the leagues only get a fraction of the TV money overall but most of it gets into the pockets of the big clubs, so they can still somewhat compete with the English sides. So, to some exent it is in line with the economic and social models of those countries. In america a select few franchises (or corporations, or ppl) get all the money while the rest not only gets nothing but also gets fucked over by the rich for fun. In Germany and Spain we try to do it the same way but just are not as ruthless with it so a shallow egalitarian veneer is preserved. Britain retains some form of multi-layered aristocracy spiced up with that typcial British habit to shoot oneself in the foot with that bloated calender and subs rule. EPL has become what it has primary due to the money poured in by foreign investors. Roman Abrahomvich has played the biggest role, the league became much more competitive when he arrived; domestically and Europe. It raised everyone level, look at English club success in the CL before Roman and after. The bottom side of the league have played very little In the success of the league. English being pretty much the universal language has also helped the world wide success with viewership. A merit based approach would be my preference, and it is not like they will be starving. It is also not like their chances to compete against the big boys changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,160 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Jesus to Arsenal progressing, on both sides, Raphina the same, but with more clubs pushing Leeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Special Juan said: Jesus to Arsenal progressing, on both sides, Raphina the same, but with more clubs pushing Leeds It's going to be hilarious when Arsenal once again finish outside the top 4 and there's still excuses being made for Arteta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,285 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Tomo said: But then the likes of Fulham and Norwich getting "reward" money for finishing bottom and yo yoing between the two divisions has shut down the route to the PL for another dreamer club like Blackpool in 2010. Where's the line? Blackpool got the money, Sunderland Huddersfield etc they all got the money Notts forest got up leeds got up Huddersfield Brentford clubs make it up without that money. To say it's blocked isn't true at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,285 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Clockwork said: The revenue and viewership Chelsea brings to the league is astonishing higher, no one cares for Brighton football club outside of the city of Brighton. No it doesn’t make sense for both clubs to be paid equally. My viewpoint is based on principle, not looking down on them it just how I feel. I think the clubs that are global brands should not be treated equally with Leeds, Brighton, etc. The small clubs in the PL is the biggest reason why transfer market is so messed up. The revenue and tv rights of the PL has skyrocketed and it has made a lot of lower clubs very fat. The have the financial to compete with some of the biggest club in the world. Am sorry what? So all these "lower teams" should simply be in the league to accommodate Chelsea man utd Liverpool etc earn more money from TV rights while they get the bottom of the barrel? Same league same money its as simple as that. And ypur right Roman put so much into the team and league we are lucky very lucky. What happens for instance if Newcastle go crazy man city keep getting stronger other rich owners come buy these "lower teams" which btw will happen and we find our self's in 10th to 13th every season will you still have the same shitty attitude then? Or is your opinion on the matter simply biased? Boycie and The Rising Sun 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,393 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Chelsea stars make their point (Mirror) Chelsea players have made it clear that Richarlison is the player they should be signing this summer. Romelu Lukaku’s Stamford Bridge exit is expected to be announced imminently, with a number of attackers touted as potential replacements. They include Man City’s Raheem Sterling and Barcelona forward Ousmane Dembele, but reports suggest it’s the Everton forward that the dressing room want to play with most. Fernando, Strike and The Rising Sun 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,238 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 11 hours ago, whats happening said: i dont think this is true. main issue with him is his injuries. otherwise i would take him no question. would become our best player instantly. go back and look at Barca also, good luck getting him to take a £70m + pay cut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,238 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 19 hours ago, JDY said: Is it really that much?? Christ. 😬 Would you take him for 500k p/w if given the choice? No. He already is very fragile and the EPL would beat the hell out of him. £500K PW is still £104m over four years, and the bloke turns 3yo in the middle of this coming season. No way is a 33, 34yo (the last 2 years of a 4 year deal) worth that much. Winger, fullback, and trad DMF are the 3 positions where once players are over 30yo, most drop off a cliff, especially the last two, but often wingers as well. GKs, CBs (only WC ones as they have the positional nous to overcome loss of physical prowess), Registas, and CFs often age well. CMFs to a lesser degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDY 1,290 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vesper said: No. He already is very fragile and the EPL would beat the hell out of him. £500K PW is still £104m over four years, and the bloke turns 3yo in the middle of this coming season. No way is a 33, 34yo (the last 2 years of a 4 year deal) worth that much. Winger, fullback, and trad DMF are the 3 positions where once players are over 30yo, most drop off a cliff, especially the last two, but often wingers as well. GKs, CBs (only WC ones as they have the positional nous to overcome loss of physical prowess), Registas, and CFs often age well. CMFs to a lesser degree. To be honest I think the only way PSG are getting rid of him is by loaning him out, no one will be able to buy him. I wouldn't be opposed to getting him on a 1 year loan with an option granted PSG are heavily subsidizing his wage, so we'd be paying 400-450 max. He's still absolutely world class when he's playing, and idk I feel since Hazard left, the saying you don't know what you've got till its gone very much applies. We were spoilt by his talent, and watching our current forwards can be absolute pain a lot of the time in comparison. I feel our team is very stale in attack and lacks individual magic/brilliance. It's the reason I'd much prefer Dembele over Raphinha/Richarlison, despite the obvious risks with that. Anyway I doubt Neymar is going anywhere to be honest, perhaps Juve will sell a few Fiats and suddenly have a £1m p/w contract ready for him. Edited June 23, 2022 by JDY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DDA 9,961 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Wasn't keen on Dembele anyway. Have a feeling he would go missing for large parts of the season playing in the Prem. I'm open to him proving me wrong but Im certainly not a fan of his behavioural patterns. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,238 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Blues Forever said: wth is wrong with us, affff it's a fucking free transfer, even if we overpay a bit on the salary, that is chump change the lad is pure ambipedal, can play anywhere up front, either wing his creative goal scoring opportunity assist skills are tailor-made for channel runners like Sterling, Havertz, Jesus, Gnabry, Raphinha, Jarrod Bowen, Moussa Diaby, Rafael Leão, Chiesa (if he was not injured) and Osimhen, hell even a Werner or a Pulisic or a (less faith here) CHO, (as long as they doesn't miss the shots, lol) I suggest people go watch 2 Barca games, back to back, to see what he can do when he has willing channel runners for the CF (Auba) and for the other winger (Ferran Torres) Edited June 23, 2022 by Vesper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxlev 54 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Among the players linked with so far, we should be very careful on who we decide to pick compared to the kind of players we have already. We need a certain upgrade on every dimension not just signing players for the sake of it. Dembele is quite good but Can he stay injury free and consistent for most part of the season? Does he posses enough workrate or he only waits for the ball to get to him? Richardilson to me has high workrate but he ain't better than our current wingers bcos his final ball is not really an upgrade over our current wingers. Sterling to me is the best option to me, rarely gets injured, consistent good end product for the last 6yrs. Strong n direct. Raphinha is not an upgrade to me bcos he doesn't score and assist as I would like but he is getting better. It would have been good if he was far cheaper than the proposed fee. So my suggestion is buy sterling, Clauss and KK Give Broja, Dujon sterling and cowil a chance. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin123 538 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Official and confirmed. Christopher Nkunku extends his contract with RB Leipzig until June 2026, deal now signed and sealed. 🚨🔒 #Leipzig There’s a release clause included in the new deal for €60m. https://t.co/mjZMyrs85s Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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