Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 30,178]

€60 (£50.5m) needed to convince Paolo Maldini and Frederic Massara to sell this January.

Even if without the £17m January sale of Tino Anjorin to Lokomotiv Moscow (which looks in doubt as Ralf Rangnick, who put that deal together for them, has left and went to Manure)

We are still £53m in the black, net, for summer 2021 window, coint all outlays and intakes (transfer fees and loan fees in and out).

And we have multiple players still to dump who we ended up stuck with after window closed, first and foremost Barkley, RLC, plus scrubs Lewis Baker (so pissed he got Covid and couldn't play a couple games ago) and Musonda.

Injuries and COVID make dumping both Barkley and RLC in January problematic, however. I would sell Barkley NOW, to NUFC.

OR, if we fail on Theo, then use him as makeweight with Everton for a swap + cash for Digne.

 

Chelsea all’assalto di Theo Hernandez: la risposta del Milan e quei 60 milioni...

https://www.calciomercato.com/news/Chelsea-all-assalto-di-theo-hernandez-la-risposta-del-milan-e-qu-25108

 

£50.5m for Theo is fair money, especially for a January transfer. We have no guarantee that Chilwell will be 100% fit come July 2022. Look how long it took Zouma (2 years or so in reality) to fully recover.

He is the 3rd best LB/LWB on the planet, only trailing Robertson (to show you how times flies, next season is Robertson's last full sub 30yo season) and Alphonso Davies. ZERO chance I rate the offensively limited Ferland Mendy (he is like a wee bit better LB version of Manure RB AWB) over Theo, despite stupid T-Markt just putting him above, barely, last week,. In fact I rate Nuno Mendes (especially given his young age, I expect him to perhaps be the 2nd or 3rd best LB in a few years) and Chilwell, when heathy, over Mendy as well, and Theo can play LCB too, so can help absorb the Rudiger loss next year (only to a point, I am NOT saying he is a fulltime answer there at all, but does give a legit rotational option).

IF we are serious about making a run at Citeh over the next 2, 3 years and onward, Theo is the type of player we need to be buying.

 

 

[Blues Forever 1,232]

6 minutes ago, Vesper said:

€60 (£50.5m) needed to convince Paolo Maldini and Frederic Massara to sell this January.

Even if without the £17m January sale of Tino Anjorin to Lokomotiv Moscow (which looks in doubt as Ralf Rangnick, who put that deal together for them, has left and went to Manure)

We are still £53m in the black, net, for summer 2021 window, coint all outlays and intakes (transfer fees and loan fees in and out).

And we have multiple players still to dump who we ended up stuck with after window closed, first and foremost Barkley, RLC, plus scrubs Lewis Baker (so pissed he got Covid and couldn't play a couple games ago) and Musonda.

Injuries and COVID make dumping both Barkley and RLC in January problematic, however. I would sell Barkley NOW, to NUFC.

OR, if we fail on Theo, then use him as makeweight with Everton for a swap + cash for Digne.

 

Chelsea all’assalto di Theo Hernandez: la risposta del Milan e quei 60 milioni...

https://www.calciomercato.com/news/Chelsea-all-assalto-di-theo-hernandez-la-risposta-del-milan-e-qu-25108

 

£50.5m for Theo is fair money, especially for a January transfer. We have no guarantee that Chilwell will be 100% fit come July 2022. Look how long it took Zouma (2 years or so in reality) to fully recover.

He is the 3rd best LB/LWB on the planet, only trailing Robertson (to show you how times flies, next season is Robertson's last full sub 30yo season) and Alphonso Davies. ZERO chance I rate the offensively limited Ferland Mendy (he is like a wee bit better LB version of Manure RB AWB) over Theo, despite stupid T-Markt just putting him above, barely, last week,. In fact I rate Nuno Mendes (especially given his young age, I expect him to perhaps be the 2nd or 3rd best LB in a few years) and Chilwell, when heathy, over Mendy as well, and Theo can play LCB too, so can help absorb the Rudiger loss next year (only to a point, I am NOT saying he is a fulltime answer there at all, but does give a legit rotational option).

IF we are serious about making a run at Citeh over the next 2, 3 years and onward, Theo is the type of player we need to be buying.

 

 

Personally i would buy Theo for €60m, but unfortunately i suspect we will search for a cheap option.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

Edited December 29, 2021 by Blues Forever

[NikkiCFC 8,319]

Cancelo was available for years for us to buy him. Some of us wanted him in Valencia. He changed 3 clubs after that we were never in a race and instead went with Moses, Zappacosta, Azpi all inferior players. If Theo is really available for that price and let's be honest Milan would always sell I just hope we don't make another mistake like with Cancelo. This is the only way to fight with City. 

[Pizy 18,909]

Part of me doubts that the club will go all out in January for a super expensive, long term starter LB like Theo. He’s the sort of player who you get when you don’t have a first choice LB as he’s far too good to be a rotation option. Chilly will come back eventually and if he’s able to return to his top class level then what would we do if we had he AND Theo on our books?

This is why Digne or Dest make more sense. They are both really solid but can coexist and still be reasonably happy with big competition for their place.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

5 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Part of me doubts that the club will go all out in January for a super expensive, long term starter LB like Theo. He’s the sort of player who you get when you don’t have a first choice LB as he’s far too good to be a rotation option. Chilly will come back eventually and if he’s able to return to his top class level then what would we do if we had he AND Theo on our books?

This is why Digne or Dest make more sense. They are both really solid but can coexist and still be reasonably happy with big competition for their place.

The thing is ACL required min 1-2 year to fully recover, there is also a question mark whether Chilwell could return to his previous form or not.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[NikkiCFC 8,319]

I am also not against Dest. Player who can play on both sides would be very useful because we should be on the market for RB as well in the summer. 

Not expecting Livramento back for a couple of more years. 

[Vesper 30,178]

Just now, Blues Forever said:

Personally i would buy Theo for €60m, but unfortunately i suspect we will search for a cheap option.

Theo is bigger (by 4, 5 cms), stronger, faster than Chilwell, and is a better passer and scorer (until Chilwell came here (he has 7 goals all comps with us in 1 and a third seasons, so has deffo improved) he only had 4 topflight goals ever in his first 4+ years, with 3 of those coming in 2019/20, the first and only other one was on May 18th, 2017 versus Spuds, in the 2nd to last game of the season, when Leicester got DESTROYED 1 - 6, with Kane scoring 4 and Son 2) 

Theo in 2020/21 had 8 goals 8 assists, 7 and 5 in 2019/20, in 1000 less minutes than last season, and is tracking (given the same minutes as last year) to around 5, 6 goals and 12, 13 assists this season (he has not played as many minutes the first half of this season as last due to Covid and there being less games for AC Milan so far. Theo has missed 5 games, 3 from Covid, one from 'fever' (no clue if that was Covid) and 1 from card suspension).

[Vesper 30,178]

32 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Cancelo was available for years for us to buy him. Some of us wanted him in Valencia. He changed 3 clubs after that we were never in a race and instead went with Moses, Zappacosta, Azpi all inferior players. If Theo is really available for that price and let's be honest Milan would always sell I just hope we don't make another mistake like with Cancelo. This is the only way to fight with City. 

5 and half years ago (exactly, to the day):

Joao Cancelo: The marauding full-back Barcelona might replace Dani Alves with

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/joao-cancelo-marauding-full-back-barcelona-might-replace-dani-alves

[Pizy 18,909]

20 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Theo is bigger (by 4, 5 cms), stronger, faster than Chilwell, and is a better passer and scorer (until Chilwell came here (he has 7 goals all comps with us in 1 and a third seasons, so has deffo improved) he only had 4 topflight goals ever in his first 4+ years, with 3 of those coming in 2019/20, the first and only other one was on May 18th, 2017 versus Spuds, in the 2nd to last game of the season, when Leicester got DESTROYED 1 - 6, with Kane scoring 4 and Son 2) 

Theo in 2020/21 had 8 goals 8 assists, 7 and 5 in 2019/20, in 1000 less minutes than last season, and is tracking (given the same minutes as last year) to around 5, 6 goals and 12, 13 assists this season (he has not played as many minutes the first half of this season as last due to Covid and there being less games for AC Milan so far. Theo has missed 5 games, 3 from Covid, one from 'fever' (no clue if that was Covid) and 1 from card suspension).

I think he’d be incredible in our team and in the PL in general. He’d also be an excellent guy to help get the best out of Lukaku and Kai. Probably the next best “flying fullback” after Hakimi.

But again, hard to imagine 1) our club spending 50-60m in January and 2) Milan selling one of their best players mid season when the top of the Serie A table is pretty tight.

[Vesper 30,178]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

But again, hard to imagine 1) our club spending 50-60m in January and 2) Milan selling one of their best players mid season when the top of the Serie A table is pretty tight.

Only reason I stared posting again on him was that report out of Italy that quoted a specific price (£50.5m ie €60m) that Maldini and Massara et al. would look at hard

[Blues Forever 1,232]

19 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I think he’d be incredible in our team and in the PL in general. He’d also be an excellent guy to help get the best out of Lukaku and Kai. Probably the next best “flying fullback” after Hakimi.

But again, hard to imagine 1) our club spending 50-60m in January and 2) Milan selling one of their best players mid season when the top of the Serie A table is pretty tight.

The report was from Daniele Longo, who is decent source for Milan news. 

[chelsea_4_eva 1,182]

I think it all depends if we can get Digne on just a loan, without an obligation to buy. If Everton want to put in a buy clause at £25M, we might aswell go with Theo at £50. As mentioned here ACL injuries take long to recover and no guarantee the player can play at the same level.

[Vesper 30,178]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Only reason I stared posting again on him was that report out of Italy that quoted a specific price (£50.5m ie €60m) that Maldini and Massara et al. would look at hard

Theo is my 2nd longest continuous 'never waver' want I think, in terms of realistic buys at this point, after Barella.

Longer than ones I still am sold on still, like Federico Chiesa and Dušan Vlahovic and Bellingham (who I always said needed to go and get playing time first).

Mbappe, Håland, and Marquinhos are not realistic.

We missed a massive trick on Achraf Hakimi, and there are not any other RB's who are actually available who excite anywhere near to his level. Plus we have a buyback on Livramento, for the future.

CB's are turbulent, I am off the boil on Bastoni (Milan Škriniar has replaced him for me) and Romagnoli has collapsed (zero clue why).

Koulibaly is now too old for the money wanted, and I am not sure on Lacroix, given his fairly poor season so far. De Ligt has crazy high wages.

Edited December 29, 2021 by Vesper

[milka 3,393]

there will be enough defenders even if  both Christensen and Rudiger  to leave

[Blues Forever 1,232]

9 minutes ago, milka said:

there will be enough defenders even if  both Christensen and Rudiger  to leave

Ginter is going to Bayern if Sule leave.

[milka 3,393]

Who knows Bayern have enough defenders  - Upamecano , Hernandez , Pavard 

Well it won't be a sensation if they  take a free agent from a direct competitor or bought him like Upamecano and Sabitzer  😂

Edited December 29, 2021 by milka

[Blues Forever 1,232]

11 minutes ago, milka said:

Who knows Bayern have enough defenders  - Upamecano , Hernandez , Pavard 

Well it won't be a sensation if they  take a free agent from a direct competitor or bought him like Upamecano and Sabitzer  😂

 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Only reason I stared posting again on him was that report out of Italy that quoted a specific price (£50.5m ie €60m) that Maldini and Massara et al. would look at hard

Theo for 60m euros is a steal considering how essential fullbacks are for our system. Also he would probably be on lower wages than Chilwell.

We all know it's never gonna happen tho. We will either roll with Alonso or buy some dud.