Chelsea Transfers

[ZAPHOD2319 4,801]

This was an enjoyable watch

 

 

[Strike 7,474]

1 minute ago, King Kante said:

Torres wasn't worse than Kepa. He was bad but Kepa is the all time winner in the worst signing stakes. £72m with £170k a week for seven years for a funsized GK with T-rex arms who is essentially a training cone when shots are placed in a corner has no equal. 

I think Torres was worse. It was a club record signing + the striker supposed to lead the team for years. Trying to get him to work restricted opportunities for Sturridge and Lukaku. Kepa had a decent first season and was poor in the second year under Lampard. Club acted swiftly to get Mendy in so the damage is not as much

 

[Tomo 21,751]

3 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

yeah we do, we were stuck with him for ages and had to give him new chances every few weeks.... same will happen with lukaku, the similarities are striking.

As much as I don't want Lukaku he will never be that bad. Our version of Torres was league 1 standard at best, he did not have one single positive attribute to fall back on.

[Special Juan 28,095]

I'm telling you now, so many of you are solely fucking focused on the financials you can't even see your own arse, never seen so many stupid fucking comments like "oh look it's 100m we are being robbed" who gives a flying piece of horse shit if he comes in and scores goals, can't be fucking worse than Werner last season.

Can't wait that if we sign him he fucking throws it back in your faces.

[oldportblue 547]

11 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Torres wasn't worse than Kepa. He was bad but Kepa is the all time winner in the worst signing stakes. £72m with £170k a week for seven years for a funsized GK with T-rex arms who is essentially a training cone when shots are placed in a corner has no equal. 

Agreed! Kepa all-time worse CFC signing by a mile... Torres was already sort of injured and we took a chance that didn't really work out.

[DDA 9,924]

32 minutes ago, Tomo said:

My main frustration is that we are tearing apart a hugely promising system to accommodate him. If we really wanted to go down the rabbit hole of buying a player who we think will guarantee us goals then we should absolutely be going for a wide forward in the Salah/Mane/Jota/Sterling mould.

He has to score atleast 30 until he even begins to justify the compromises to our overall style that's going to be made.

 

31 minutes ago, Jas said:

The chances missed aside, the thing with our current setup is that we're able to create lots of chances because the front 3 has got good movement and understanding between them and they are interchangeable and that's without an out-and-out #9. If we put one like Lukaku in, that whole thing is gonna change. We might still create the same amount/type of chances or we might not. 

And it's also worth noting that he's been highly successful at Inter because Conte created a system and style that were based around him. Tuchel hasn't done that with anyone here. Can Lukaku thrive if the system is not built around him? 

But we have built a system that needs a proper number 9. That's where we were failing last season. That was plain to see. We tried Werner, hit and miss, we tried Havertz and it was again hit and miss. Just because Havertz scored the winning goal against City in the CL final doesn't mean him playing there was a success. He missed absolute sitters, time and time again. The same with Werner. The system needs a striker and every man and his dog was saying so throughout each match day thread. What's changed all of a sudden??

                       

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1 hour ago, Hermione said:

I'd take Danny Ings all days and nights.

Ings for me too

[King Kante 1,643]

Lukaku when he isnthe biggest and fastest player on the pitch: 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9NiumzzcmEI

 

[Tomo 21,751]

11 minutes ago, DDA said:

 

But we have built a system that needs a proper number 9. That's where we were failing last season. That was plain to see. We tried Werner, hit and miss, we tried Havertz and it was again hit and miss. Just because Havertz scored the winning goal against City in the CL final doesn't mean him playing there was a success. He missed absolute sitters, time and time again. The same with Werner. The system needs a striker and every man and his dog was saying so throughout each match day thread. What's changed all of a sudden??

                       

But like I said, If we really want to go down the route of signing someone we think can guarantee goals fine, I'll happily compromise at sourcing a Mane/Salah/Jota type (even if I think Werner, Mount and especially Havertz will score a lot more next season).

But like Jas said the reason we create so many chances to waste is because our players are all heavily involved in the build up, since we've moved Kai to false 9 (from the Everton game) the majority of our performances have been very good, when teams are playing shit but get undeserved results for a while because one player keeps coming up clutch eventually it catches up (ala Arsenal with Aubameyang, Spurs with Kane and us with Hazard under Mourinho) so why can't that also work in reverse?

Fox in the box strikers have a habit of making their teams worse overall even if they offer a good goal record, even great ones like RVN (United only won 1 title in 5 years with him and 3 in a row either side of him). The game has long moved on from them in consistent winning teams.

Edited August 3, 2021 by Tomo

[Jase 43,479]

11 minutes ago, DDA said:

But we have built a system that needs a proper number 9. That's where we were failing last season. That was plain to see. We tried Werner, hit and miss, we tried Havertz and it was again hit and miss. Just because Havertz scored the winning goal against City in the CL final doesn't mean him playing there was a success. He missed absolute sitters, time and time again. The same with Werner. The system needs a striker and every man and his dog was saying so throughout each match day thread. What's changed all of a sudden??             

Just because someone misses chances, doesn't mean the system is built to have a #9. 

Having a system and then putting in players to make the system work (what Tuchel has been doing) is entirely different to having a system entirely based around one player (which is what Conte did at Inter). 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

5 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Lukaku when he isnthe biggest and fastest player on the pitch: 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9NiumzzcmEI

 

as we knew before, his game intelligence, technique and coordination is on tammy level. he just is the superior physical specimen, question is for how long. take away his pace and power, which are already waning, he is useless.

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10 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

I'm telling you now, so many of you are solely fucking focused on the financials you can't even see your own arse, never seen so many stupid fucking comments like "oh look it's 100m we are being robbed" who gives a flying piece of horse shit if he comes in and scores goals, can't be fucking worse than Werner last season.

Can't wait that if we sign him he fucking throws it back in your faces.

Exactly.

I think the financial side is a valid concern because let's face it, paying a €120M fee and most likely wages in the club's top 3 earners is a massive investment and he would be brought in as an immediate impact player whose re-sale value in 3-5 years is closing in on zero, so he absolutely must be a big hitter immediately and consistently to justify the big outlay. Generally speaking with younger players there's almost always time to wait for them to grow into the team and even if they never do, most of the time they can still be sold for a decent enough value later on but if a player like Lukaku fails then moving him on in 2-3 years could be problematic because of the wage and large amortisation value left on the club's books.

I share some of those concerns as well, but I also really rate Lukaku highly as a player and would love to have him back so with a total lack of other quality options out there I'm all in favor of doing it and think he'd be a big success at the club.

Getting Lukaku would be totally out of character for the board, who usually go for players in the ages between 21-25 who have more re-sale value if a sale is ever needed. The club have built the current squad mostly around these kind of younger players so I don't think it's a problem at all to make one big impact signing of a player in his prime with little re-sale value, as long as the player actually delivers on the pitch. Of course a player like Haaland would be preferable if it was a realistic option but I've already conceded a loss on that one and Lukaku would be one of the best alternatives out there. I also don't believe Haaland would join Chelsea next year either, so there's very little point waiting for him.

[Pizy 18,850]

Watching Lukaku’s goal compilation from this last season and you can’t help but be impressed. If you had no preconceived knowledge of his past stint in the PL you’d understand why he’s valued at around 100m. He was incredible last season. Looks like a monstrous freight train in the same way that Haaland does. Just not quite as clean with the ball at his feet. Was lethal with both feet as well as his head and looks much improved holding the ball up with his first touch, though still far from perfect.

He’s going to bag us loads of goals against certain opponents. But I just wonder if TT will have the stones to drop a 100m player if we know it’s going to be a poor matchup? Or will he be “too big” for that. Because it’ll be ultra frustrating to watch him in certain matches where teams park 9 men around their penalty area and he is useless.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

It is quite ridiculous signing Kounde and Lukaku

We are about to sign

a centre back who is all flashy skills, dribbling and technique but tiny and weak

and a centre forward who is all height, strength and power but no skill, dribbling nor technique

and each is gonna cost a ton...

you could not make this up.

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

 

He’s going to bag us loads of goals against certain opponents. But I just wonder if TT will have the stones to drop a 100m player if we know it’s going to be a poor matchup? Or will he be “too big” for that. Because it’ll be ultra frustrating to watch him in certain matches where teams park 9 men around their penalty area and he is useless.

Thing is Lukaku does have the pace and strength to break high lines similar to Werner. Can see him being used against the Liverpools and Cities.