Chelsea Transfers

[OhForAGreavsie 5,892]

2 minutes ago, shrenshah said:

No way madrid can buy both mbappe and camaviga in one year...mbappe will cost atleast 200mn.

Gallagher can be the one who competes with havertz at cam while mount gets deployed in the wing roles

Ampadu also may have a shout depending on his loan spell...we may have to decide between ampadu and tomori

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What we saw of Ethan in the side as a 17 year-old didn't encourage me to believe he has enough to be a Chelsea player but he's not 17 anymore so let's look with new eyes at how he goes in Sheffield.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

1 hour ago, shrenshah said:

No way madrid can buy both mbappe and camaviga in one year...mbappe will cost atleast 200mn.

Gallagher can be the one who competes with havertz at cam while mount gets deployed in the wing roles

Ampadu also may have a shout depending on his loan spell...we may have to decide between ampadu and tomori

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Mbappe will cost less than 150m since he only has 1 yr left in his contract next summer.

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1 hour ago, shrenshah said:

No way madrid can buy both mbappe and camaviga in one year...mbappe will cost atleast 200mn.

Gallagher can be the one who competes with havertz at cam while mount gets deployed in the wing roles

Ampadu also may have a shout depending on his loan spell...we may have to decide between ampadu and tomori

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I think Gallagher's future is more in a B2B role specially with his pace, intensity. I feel him and Gilmour as back ups to Kante and Rice. Mount as a back up to Kai and wingers. 

Personally, I am an Ampadu fan. Think he has a brilliant future ahead of him. The minimum I expect him to be as good as Ake who would be better than any of our options other than Silva. 

I would hold on to any plans for a new CB just yet. See how silva-zouma plays out. Can andreas somehow push his way in. The one position I hope and expect us to make a play for is 2nd LB. We just dont have a decent LB back up. 

[shrenshah 186]

Its going to be a make or break season for rlc at fulham

Somehow dont see him returning to the first team again unless he starts performing like pre injury...which seems unlikely

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[Vesper 28,853]

9 hours ago, Puliiszola said:

Totally agree 

What's worse is that in the reguilon thread, it was the same person saying that alonso is a decent 2nd LB and we dont need to get a 2nd lb and now it's "shitlonso" or "alonslow" or whatever childish name-calling.

his play and actions since then (and I always prefaced it with his simply being better than Emerson, a very low bar, plus he really is only decent as a wingback, not a trad fullback) have shown that he is not reliable, nor a team player, and you are a known troll, so your opinion is a priori invalid anyway, so jog on m8

talking around me, in the the 3rd person, and not addressing me directly is classic passive-aggressiveness, a troll move, like I said

[blu35_army 551]

https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/?compare=UwmzeXy71wjCZnhZsMFtg

a little comparison for our future DMF between Rice, Camavinga, Zakaria and Soumare. still Rice is PL Proven and his defense stats is really good. and more important is he always plays all 38 PL match for westham last season without injury.....

[Fernando 6,465]

1 hour ago, blu35_army said:

https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/?compare=UwmzeXy71wjCZnhZsMFtg

a little comparison for our future DMF between Rice, Camavinga, Zakaria and Soumare. still Rice is PL Proven and his defense stats is really good. and more important is he always plays all 38 PL match for westham last season without injury.....

Rice is not bad, and he will be good if he comes here like we are seeing that Chillwell will be good despite a lot of people hating before coming on board. 

[Jype 6,398]

39 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Rice is not bad, and he will be good if he comes here like we are seeing that Chillwell will be good despite a lot of people hating before coming on board. 

In those stats Rice looks really good compared to the others.

Soumare seems really average, he gets absolutely destroyed by Rice in some of the most important metrics (recoveries, tackles, aerial duels, clearances, interceptions). The new DMF needs to be great at defending, if we're happy with someone who's better at the more offensive aspects we might as well stick with Jorginho.

Even the TC favorite Zakaria doesn't score near as high, either in total stats or p/90min. And he has a couple years more development than Rice (23 vs. 21).

Camavinga is just 17 so it's kind of unfair to compare him to the rest of the group. I think he'll become a great player but he will have likes of PSG, Real Madrid after him too.

Stats obviously don't tell the whole story but the way some people have been complaining is like Rice is a bang average player and there are much better options out there. The only 'complaint' about Rice for me is the price West Ham are demanding. He's on a long term contract so they have no need to sell but Zakaria could be available on the cheap next year if he doesn't renew (expiring 2022). I'd be happy with either of them (or Camavinga) but Soumare just seems like a second rate backup option.

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3 hours ago, Vesper said:

his play and actions since then (and I always prefaced it with his simply being better than Emerson, a very low bar, plus he really is only decent as a wingback, not a trad fullback) have shown that he is not reliable, nor a team player, and you are a known troll, so your opinion is a priori invalid anyway, so jog on m8

talking around me, in the the 3rd person, and not addressing me directly is classic passive-aggressiveness, a troll move, like I said

His play has always been as shit, if you could not see it, I doubt your football intelligence. 

Also go back to the reguilon thread, and read it. Or I can post it here. The point was always about if alonso is decent enough to be a no.2, not if he is better than emerson. But what can you expect from someone like you. It was always about how high a priority should buying another LB be for us, and I always thought it to be as a very high priority, given how poor alonso abd emerson are. I was not the one saying he is a better LB than half the first choice LBs in the league (lol).

Lastly, I did not quote you, because I don't want to have a tete-a-tete with you. I guess I made that quite clear even in the last discussion we had. And we have both lived peacefully since then, and long may it continue.

The only reason I did quote hutcho was because I felt exactly the same way. Moreover, it was just another example of how quickly opinions change on here regarding players, managers, etc. Just to follow the bandwagon

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9 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

His play has always been as shit, if you could not see it, I doubt your football intelligence. 

lol, he was first team all EPL in Conte's first season, but he has worn out his welcome and he never was suited for a pure fullback role

go have another whinge over me calling him shitlonso

and for a triple crank n' cry

site search

Batshit

and go scold everyone who has ever used that

sick of reading this tosh

onto ignore you go

only the 3rd one here ever

congrats

 

[Puliiszola 519]

46 minutes ago, Vesper said:

lol, he was first team all EPL in Conte's first season, but he has worn out his welcome and he never was suited for a pure fullback role

go have another whinge over me calling him shitlonso

and for a triple crank n' cry

site search

Batshit

and go scold everyone who has ever used that

sick of reading this tosh

onto ignore you go

only the 3rd one here ever

congrats

 

Lol. Surprising you are arguing with me on being called out by another poster regarding the name calling. 

Lol.

I mean seriously, must be hard for you.

Anyways, alonso is a decent LWB. We need a Left back back up. Understand the difference? Or is it impossible for you? He was never even a decent LB, he is bad. Please read and atleast try to understand what the other person writes. Might help you a bit. Not that anything I write here is going to matter to you, because mostly you live and post in your own sweet world. 

 

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[Jase 43,479]

19 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

 

So, Bayern don't value CHO as much as they say in public, do they? All the more obvious all they wanted was squad depth, which they were desperate for. 

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8 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

 

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If Pjanic was 4-5 years younger, then I think the signing/swap would have been great but since that's not the case, it's not really a big loss.

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Just now, Jason said:

If Pjanic was 4-5 years younger, then I think the signing/swap would have been great but since that's not the case, it's not really a big loss.

Better actually that we have 28 yo Jorginho than 30 yo Pjanic

[NikkiCFC 7,953]

14 hours ago, shrenshah said:

Ideal next summer

Sell kante to inter if conte is still there
Buy camaviga to replace kante

Sell players like batshuayi kepa bakayoko emerson alonso barkley drinkwater rudiger christeansen jorginho moses and others i may have missed

Renew silva for a year
Buy Rice
Malang Sarr can be backup lb and cb
Buy a world class center back
Buy a backup gk to repace kepa
Winger purchase if we feel short this season

Gk - Mendy, new gk, youth gk
Rb - Reece, Azpi
Cb - Silva, Tomori
Cb - new cb, Zouma
Lb - Chilwell, Sarr
Cm - Camaviga, Gilmour
Cm - Rice, Kova
Am- Havertz, Mount
Lm - Pulisic, Cho
Rm - ziyech, Cho
St - Werner, Tammy, Broja

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Way to early to say what we need next summer.

Go read first pages of this thread. No one of us thought we would need new first GK a year ago. And also in midfield but now we are not happy with just Kai we want DM as well.

But yeah, I can see us going big for Rice and CB next summer. Gimenez or Upamecano.

 

[Vesper 28,853]

Chelsea won the transfer window

https://theathletic.com/2109872/2020/10/05/chelsea-transfer-window-analysis-review-havertz/

Chelsea won the transfer window. It’s remarkable just how uncontroversial that statement is but Roman Abramovich’s money hasn’t got him quite so much of what he wanted in the market for more than 15 years, when his first spectacular wave of spending set the stage for Jose Mourinho’s domination of English football.

The raw numbers are eye-catching enough: north of £200 million committed to transfer fees at a time when most other elite European clubs have been forced to rein in or postpone their recruitment plans due to the economic fallout of the COVID-19 pandemic. But more significant is that Abramovich’s money has successfully acquired more of Chelsea’s first-choice transfer targets than in any window since the summer of 2014 when Cesc Fabregas and Diego Costa arrived at Stamford Bridge.

Kai Havertz, the biggest single outlay and marquee signing, is a unique goalscoring and creative talent that virtually every club in Europe would have been delighted to build around for the next decade. Chelsea rarely find themselves the preferred destination for a young star so widely coveted; Eden Hazard was probably the last one way back in 2012. The arrival of Germany’s golden boy alone would be enough to consider this transfer window a significant step forward but he didn’t come alone.

Chelsea’s opportunistic move for Timo Werner, after Liverpool decided they could not commit to paying his £54 million release clause, has similarities to the £32 million deal that brought Costa from Atletico Madrid in 2014. Now, as then, the team’s need for goals — chronic at times last season — has been addressed in the most emphatic way possible by the addition of one of Europe’s most prolific and explosive goalscorers.

If Werner is the Costa of Chelsea’s 2020 off-season signings, Hakim Ziyech is the closest thing to Fabregas: a dazzling creator, whose relentless ambition with the ball at his feet should inject some refreshing urgency into a midfield that can too easily lapse into safe, sterile possession. Moreover, the £33 million fee Marina Granovskaia agreed with Ajax back in February still has the look of impressive value in a transfer market distorted by the pandemic.

Lampard now has all the attacking firepower he could ever wish for. He also got his preferred choice of left-back upgrade in Ben Chilwell after a lengthy courtship, with Granovskaia eventually talking Leicester City down from their initial £80 million asking price to a deal worth around £50 million. Chelsea’s transfer window hasn’t been entirely without compromise, however — pragmatism has been the guiding philosophy behind reinforcements elsewhere in the defensive half of this team.

At 36, Thiago Silva is simply too old to be presented as anything other than a sticking plaster for a back line that conceded 54 goals in the Premier League last season. Lampard wanted a Virgil van Dijk-type figure, dominant in personality as well as talent at the heart of a defence, but centre-backs of such character and quality are extreme rarities. Silva was one of them for much of his prime, and Chelsea are effectively making a low-cost bet that he still has some drops of greatness left to give.

Then, we have the goalkeeper situation, rendered more urgent by Kepa Arrizabalaga’s shocking disintegration. Chelsea had neither the resources to spend big on a new No 1 with so much money committed elsewhere, nor the will to do so — too much has been invested in Kepa to simply abandon him during a crisis of confidence. Edouard Mendy, specifically scouted and recommended by Petr Cech and Christophe Lollichon, is a signing that walks the narrow line between satisfying Lampard’s desire for a new goalkeeper and not necessarily ending the Chelsea career of the man he has displaced.

Some might reasonably argue that, for all their spending, Chelsea’s recruitment push has yielded the least-convincing solutions for Lampard’s biggest problems. This was a team better in attack than defence last season and if Silva and Mendy don’t make a positive impact, the dynamic will only become even more top-heavy. That need for greater balance — particularly in midfield — is part of the reason why Declan Rice, the one Lampard target yet to be brought to Stamford Bridge, is still being pursued.

To have any chance of making that deal happen, Granovskaia needs to sell as well as she has bought but the evidence so far suggests that most of the established names on the fringes of Lampard’s bloated squad will leave on loan rather than generating transfer fees. This simply isn’t a window in which most clubs are willing to spend, to the point that even Ross Barkley — regarded internally as one of Chelsea’s more saleable assets — garnered no attractive permanent offers before joining Aston Villa for the season.

Chelsea won the transfer window. That doesn’t mean they will win on the pitch this season, that all their signings will thrive immediately or that all their unwanted players can be sold for maximum value. It does, however, mean they have positioned themselves extremely well to build another era of consistent contention for the Premier League and the Champions League.