closed Chelsea 0-0 Brighton

[Azul 1,615]

16 minutes ago, BlueGuy said:

I know how gengerpressing works, but if you win the ball ahead, the opposing team will defend lower, closing the space and we have always the same problem, nobody of our players is able to create opportunity for score.

We couldn't even get the ball past the midfield for 90% of the game bro.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

Fully agree.

With regards to Ziyech and Pulisic I was disappointed but it was a tough game and you cannot play well every game. Mason played deeper and maybe it wasn’t great in a 2 either as it restricts him getting into those pockets. 

The obvious shit surrounding ESL obviously affected the players maybe and Tuchel just said on sky he felt we were maybe distracted and maybe tired but ultimately he seems disappointed and reckons we did not deserve to win.

Just watched Tuchel's interview and I'm a bit baffled by his comments about tiredness. He was the one who said a week ago that this is not the time to make too many changes to the team and said that he maybe fielded too strong of a lineup at Wembley, which may have resulted in tonight's performance. Like WTF? 

[Jase 43,479]

14 minutes ago, Azul said:

Carried away with what?

The performance. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

2 minutes ago, Azul said:

It's not a theory, it's a fact. It's a fact that Kante would've helped the midfield press Brighton and do us a lot defensively.

However, this is a clear case of Chelsea fans underestimating the importance of Kante who's able to win the midfield battles. We couldn't get the ball past the midfield for most of the game, and that was the biggest reason why we couldn't create chances.

Our chances of being effective offensively and winning the game, would've been much better then keeping Mount in a position where he's not effective whatsoever. 

Yes win midfield battles more he would of helped. I certainly don’t underestimate Kante’s role as he is a world class player on his day still but we didn’t win tonight because he didn’t play.

Its all good winning the back and getting to the final third but that’s when your players need to make the difference. I imagine you seen how many folk were slagging how many times Kante gave the ball away v City too at the weekend/how many attacks he messed up in the match thread when it was on going 😂 or even participated... 

And again, you were talking about counter pressing as if its the only means of creating transitions or chances.... Tuchel just said our counter pressing wasn’t good in the post match, talking about us as a team, not Mount or Jorginho or whoever you think Kante would of played ahead of. I mean do you think one guy would of compensated for the other 10 not being up to the intensity or the team not counter pressing effective? It only works when everyone pulls their weight and go together when the press is triggered. 

We weren’t at it tonight and pretty much created 0 chances with over 120m worth of attacking players in our front three. Kante or no Kante we would of drew that game.

I do agree Mount deeper in a 2 wasn’t a good move, you want him higher up in the half spaces looking to take the ball on the half turn and link the attack. 

4 minutes ago, Jason said:

Just watched Tuchel's interview and I'm a bit baffled by his comments about tiredness. He was the one who said a week ago that this is not the time to make too many changes to the team and said that he maybe fielded too strong of a lineup at Wembley, which may have resulted in tonight's performance. Like WTF? 

Maybe just to deflect.

He’s not happy with the performance though and I would expect a response the next game. We seen it after Wolves, after Leeds and after West Brom. We need to as we cant afford to drop any more points now when teams around drop them.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

Maybe just to deflect.

He’s not happy with the performance though and I would expect a response the next game. We seen it after Wolves, after Leeds and after West Brom. We need to as we cant afford to drop any more points now when teams around drop them.

If he wants to deflect, he should just stick to the ESL distraction excuse and don't say anything else. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

I have no doubts we will win vs Westham. It is basically a big game and the spammers have to play for the win this time. 

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I have no doubts we will win vs Westham. It is basically a big game and the spammers have to play for the win this time. 

Do they though? A point would be decent for them and can then hope we will drop more points in our remaining games.

The bigger winner of all this shit is probably Leicester, who face West Brom on Thursday. Somehow, all the teams below them dropped points!

[robsblubot 3,595]

Giroud came in too late and Zouma should never start in my book, but especially in a game where we need to keep possession and attack.

Other than this, it was just an insipid performance undeserving of a win.

Ziyech was particularly poor today.

Edited April 20, 2021 by robsblubot

[cosmicway 1,333]

This could have been by design.
I can't think of any other explanation, comparing with the match against WBA as well and even with the dismal 0-0 against Wolves under Lampard.
Tuchel told them to play slow motion. If they escaped with the three points so be it, if not let it drop.

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

3 hours ago, Azul said:

Tuchel was an idiot today, how can you keep Kante on the bench when we needed to win the midfield battle?! It was clear we needed him ffs!!! Top four race is going to be extremely hard now

Just week ago after Porto 2nd leg, Tuchel said that Kova is out for City and that playing Kante for 90 mins in Seville was risky. But he did play him last 2 games for 90mins. On paper Brighton today and Fulham later are two easiest games. We play every 3 or 4 days. You dont think we should rotate a bit? With Kova out, imagine losing Kante again due to injury. It is clear we need to be careful with Kante and logically this was the perfect game for him to take rest. Chelsea should win against Brighton even with Caballero, Emerson, Gilmour, Abraham... We used all our attacking players today and they did not score. Did not even come close.

 

3 hours ago, Strike said:

Don't think this team can put in performances with so much rotation. Ridiculous team selection

Same here, you want to play same 11 every 3 days? This team on paper should easily beat Brighton. We rested Mendy, Silva, Azpi, Chilwell and still kept clean sheet, our attacking players let us down today. And we used them all. Ziyech, Puli, Timo, Kai, Mount, CHO, Olie...

[cosmicway 1,333]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Just week ago after Porto 2nd leg, Tuchel said that Kova is out for City and that playing Kante for 90 mins in Seville was risky. But he did play him last 2 games for 90mins. On paper Brighton today and Fulham later are two easiest games. We play every 3 or 4 days. You dont think we should rotate a bit? With Kova out, imagine losing Kante again due to injury. It is clear we need to be careful with Kante and logically this was the perfect game for him to take rest. Chelsea should win against Brighton even with Caballero, Emerson, Gilmour, Abraham... We used all our attacking players today and they did not score. Did not even come close.

 

Same here, you want to play same 11 every 3 days? This team on paper should easily beat Brighton. We rested Mendy, Silva, Azpi, Chilwell and still kept clean sheet, our attacking players let us down today. And we used them all. Ziyech, Puli, Timo, Kai, Mount, CHO, Olie...

Don't forget the Zouma giveaways. Should have been 0-1.

Edited April 21, 2021 by cosmicway

[Blues11 213]

Not the time to experiment in terms of formation and Mount in the pivot. Maybe the ESL distractions hurt us a bit but that's no excuse to lose to Brighton at home...

We've shown we can only be effective using the 3-4-2-1 so not the best time in a race for top 4 to change and have players out of position. 

Felt Chilwell, Cho, and Kante should have been the subs to allow us to go back into what we're comfortable with but Kai and Ziyech were so poor that I understand why they were taken off. 

Just poor team selection, you can't take any opponent lightly and I felt TT thought this was a game where he can tinker things too much. Definitely backfired...one of the worst games all season. 

Might be out of the ESL and Champions league next season now. 

[The Rising Sun 711]

To be honest - can now say after 20-25 games , not a fan at all of the Tuchel style of football.

Feels like Mourinho all over again, along with the Sarri like death by possession in defensive areas. 

We have won and drawn loads of games so everything looks great on paper when looking back but this is definitely not the direction I want our football to go in the next year or two. 

what's good: Our pressing and trying to win the ball back.

Everything else : It's like watching paint dry.

 

[Blue Armour 4,442]

This game was crying out for more energy from Chelsea, and he left Kante on the bench.

Why have Kante on the bench if you're not going to use him? Granted you want to protect him, but not even for 15 mins?

Should have brought on Kante and moved Mount further up., a lot sooner in the game.

Also substituting Alonso to leave Pulisic as a wing back was complete waste of time.

Also waited too long to bring on Giroud who is lacking match sharpness from barely playing, and is given just a few minutes to make an impact.

This one is on Tuchel really.

 

[Blue Armour 4,442]

Anyway, game aside.

What a day for the club.

Not sure what drove it, but respect to the club for having the guts to correct course in face of intense scrutiny.

And most importantly, massive props for Chelsea fans who went out in protest.

[Jase 43,479]

19 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

And most importantly, massive props for Chelsea fans who went out in protest.

Best pray that Stamford Bridge doesn't become a source of a COVID-19 outbreak...

[Blue Armour 4,442]

21 minutes ago, Jason said:

Best pray that Stamford Bridge doesn't become a source of a COVID-19 outbreak...

Yeah that too..hopefully

Cech without his mask on either, during the protest..only way to get himself heard, but massive risk.

[Vesper 30,184]

Fuck.

Still raging.

Do not know why I am so down, but this is as upset as I have been since the worst of Lampard's fall from grace.

So raging how shit we were.

When we crash like this, it is usually the 3 players I am a long time advocate to bin. Alonso, Zouma, and Jorginho. They lived up to my shite expectations yet again.

Still have ZERO clue why Tuchel played a back 3 with Mount wasted at tge double pivot. Massive tactical blunder. Ziyech also was back to his worst form. Insanely poor last night.

FUCK!

 

[manpe 10,861]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Fuck.

Still raging.

Do not know why I am so down, but this is as upset as I have been since the worst of Lampard's fall from grace.

So raging how shit we were.

When we crash like this, it is usually the 3 players I am a long time advocate to bin. Alonso, Zouma, and Jorginho. They lived up to my shite expectations yet again.

Still have ZERO clue why Tuchel played a back 3 with Mount wasted at tge double pivot. Massive tactical blunder. Ziyech also was back to his worst form. Insanely poor last night.

FUCK!

 

That performance was imo a result of questionable tactical decisions and pre-match furore. The players' heads were not in it. I think we were lucky not to have lost considering the chances BHA had, so there is that positive to take from it. I now expect to bounce back strongly after the club has withdrawn from ESL and some key players got rested... We will look a different side with Azpi, Kante, Kovacic and Chilwell back.

[Jase 43,479]

29 minutes ago, manpe said:

That performance was imo a result of questionable tactical decisions and pre-match furore. The players' heads were not in it. I think we were lucky not to have lost considering the chances BHA had, so there is that positive to take from it. I now expect to bounce back strongly after the club has withdrawn from ESL and some key players got rested... We will look a different side with Azpi, Kante, Kovacic and Chilwell back.

Was the tactical decision really questionable?

Selecting Mount in midfield was probably the only questionable one. Otherwise, the other selections were things that what people supposedly wanted - the front 3, Azpi being rested, same goes for Chilwell with Alonso coming in.

Am inclined to think that the ESL fiasco affected the players but on the other hand, yesterday's performance was not really different to what we have seen in some other matches under Tuchel. 

And all this aside, am also not having this tiredness excuse that's being thrown out by Tuchel all of a sudden.