The Tuchel Thread

[Blues Forever 1,232]

 

[Gundalf 806]

Kinda interesting that no player so far (except Fofana) has made a social media post about Tuchel.

[MoroccanBlue 5,399]

48 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

All well and good but not playing well and not trying are two different things. Totally different.

I didn’t see a team that wanted to fight to win last night, they basically rolled over and accepted that the game was done when the game got scrappy and that is something that has been labelled at this team before under Sarri, Frank and now Tuchel.

Zagreb didn’t win because they outplayed us completely as we did create chances in the second half, they won because they actually tried, they ran, they won tackles, made interceptions etc you know the basics that this team has been criticised for not doing too well periodically. 

It is clear players have downed tools for whatever reason. Completely clear. If you don’t believe me, go and watch Hakim Ziyech’s highlight reel back. The guys performance was absolutely piss poor and exactly what people claiming that certain players have downed tools are going on about. He couldn’t of cared less. Mason, Kai, Kova are a few others who again were anonymous and piss poor from every aspect of the game.

Would of seen more effort and fight if we put the u23s out v Dinamo last night.

But again, when confidence is shot so goes form and hunger. 

Zagreb won because they believed in what they were doing. This can't be said about Chelsea for the past several months. 

[bigbluewillie 1,976]

Can someone tell me why English managers are shit, apart from Potter?

There's not been a decent one since Cloughie and Bob Paisley, so what's that 30 40 years.

English mangers have been, and still are a joke, compared to the rest of Europe.

Edited September 7, 2022 by bigbluewillie

[robsblubot 3,595]

Confidence comes from good fitness and results. It's difficult to feel confident when you lose most 50/50s and the opposition is fitter.

The team did not work hard enough and isn't prepared well enough and I have a good idea about the reasons for that. Sacking Tuchel was ridiculous to me.... is Pep or Klopp avail by chance?

[Blue Armour 4,720]

46 minutes ago, Henrique said:

WTF! 

First time I'm against sacking a manager after poor results, then he is sacked. 💀

Are you going to create a new terminator avatar for Todd?

[Henrique 9,133]

New owner spent a lot of money on players that Tuchel asked, sold players Tuchel wanted out...6 days after transfer window closed, this same manger was sacked. 

As I said before, right now the club lacks short, med and long term view. Even for Chelsea standards, the timig of this sacking doesnt make any sense.

[Clockwork 1,794]

Get over it Tuchel is not as good of a manager as some you think he is. People forget that he needed Leicester to bottle it very badly for him to secure a top 4.

He is headed toward the RDM route, manage a few German clubs and get sacked. Complete obscurity. 

Neither is Rudigar, his form dipped toward the end of last season. He would have not changed anything. If you want to know what he would have looked like, just look at Mendy. People forget he was here for 5 years, only remember less than 12 months of his club football. Key word club because the regular Rudigar is average with German NT.

 

[Gundalf 806]

First one. Much love for Reece. What a guy. 

[bigbluewillie 1,976]

Just now, robsblubot said:

Confidence comes from good fitness and results. It's difficult to feel confident when you lose most 50/50s and the opposition is fitter.

The team did not work hard enough and isn't prepared well enough and I have a good idea about the reasons for that. Sacking Tuchel was ridiculous to me.... is Pep or Klopp avail by chance?

And that was down to Tuchel, playing players out of position, fucking formations that didn't suit.

Don't get me wrong I liked Tommy but he had totally lost it.

[Vytis33 1,378]

 

[Clockwork 1,794]

Bravo TB, Tuchel had an immediate spark and was a great hire at the time. But it was clear as of last season, that he peaked and his trajectory was only going down.

seriously if Tuchel wasn’t fired today, how else would have this ended? The only thing we would have seen is rock bottom. He wasn't capable of turning this around.

[MoroccanBlue 5,399]

1 minute ago, bigbluewillie said:

And that was down to Tuchel, playing players out of position, fucking formations that didn't suit.

Don't get me wrong I liked Tommy but he had totally lost it.

Havertz at LW. Mount and Gallagher in the pivot. Sterling as a false 9. Players being overplayed. Him not fixing, and quite honestly contempt, with the lethargic slow possession play for what seems like years. 

He's undoubtedly lost it. It's a shame though as he steered us through absolute shit last season. 

[Pizy 19,276]

The only plausible explanation is that Boehly is terrified of us missing out on top 4 and made a crazy decision super early rather than waiting until it’s too late. All these reporters saying the Dinamo result didn’t play into this but I disagree. I think it was the final straw for Boehly who was in attendance and watched the shitshow we also saw. After 6 out of 7 of the matches we’ve played were abysmal, to lose to a side we should have dominated in pathetic fashion was the death blow. The problems started in preseason and just continued. So Todd probably thought he needed to do something drastic.

I don’t buy this “there has always been tension and unease in the relationship” stuff. Tuchel has always praised Boehly and as recently as a few days ago was over the moon with gratitude that he was provided with Auba and Fofana.

This was Boehly thinking to himself “oh shit, I just spent £270m and we could miss out on CL revenue. We have to stop the rot ASAP.”

[Nero 1,901]

I was at work when I read about that news.  I am absolutely speechless. 2 months ago it looked like Tuchel would be our manager for at least 5 more years.

Thank you for everything Tuchel. Already a Chelsea legend. 

[bigbluewillie 1,976]

Unfortunately when your at the top there's only one way to go.

[OneMoSalah 9,100]

31 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

But again, when confidence is shot so goes form and hunger. 

Zagreb won because they believed in what they were doing. This can't be said about Chelsea for the past several months. 

Im sorry but that is one of the most moronic things I’ve ever heard.

To use an excuse such as the players aren’t believing in what their doing for a lack of basic effort and showing a bit of fight or passion for the shirt is beyond me.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

Chelsea have opened talks with Brighton’s Graham Potter over their vacant manager’s job after sacking Thomas Tuchel in the wake of Tuesday’s 1-0 defeat at Dinamo Zagreb in the Champions League.

Potter is Chelsea’s first choice, with Mauricio Pochettino their preferred backup option should talks break down and Zinedine Zidane another on the shortlist. Potter has a release clause which is believed to decrease each year and is currently about £16m.

Tuchel’s departure follows a disappointing start to the season, with the club having also been beaten by Leeds and Southampton in the Premier League, and has been on the cards after Tuchel’s relationship with the co-owner Todd Boehly unravelled during a chaotic summer transfer window. The pair had all but stopped communicating.

Chelsea have spent a record £266m in one window to bring in Wesley Fofana, Marc Cucurella, Raheem Sterling, Kalidou Koulibaly, Carney Chukwuemeka and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang among others. That increased the pressure on Tuchel but not all were his signings and there were other instances of the ownership attempting to foist players on him.

One example was the case of Anthony Gordon, who Tuchel did not want. Boehly’s data analysts had pushed for the Everton midfielder after being impressed by some of his performance metrics. Tuchel came to feel he had too many players to accommodate and not enough he could count on.

Chelsea paid £55m for Cucurella despite having the England left-back Ben Chilwell in their ranks. It is unclear quite how badly Tuchel wanted or needed Cucurella, who Manchester City had chased before deeming him too expensive.

Chukwuemeka, the 18-year-old rising midfield star, was more of a club signing. Boehly is determined to foster a second track of players within the first-team squad, comprising a significant number of academy products and young prospects.

Tuchel was prepared to allow the academy product Armando Broja to leave, believing he was not yet ready for his team and with West Ham having offered £30m. But the club ended up giving the striker a lucrative new six-year deal, leaving Tuchel under pressure to give him minutes.

There are other players Tuchel was prepared to move on only for them to stay, including Hakim Ziyech, who was of interest to Ajax. In terms of the incoming business, Tuchel said last Friday that the club had probably overpaid – out of necessity. “It’s maybe hard to argue when they say it’s way too much money,” he said.

Tuchel admitted there was “always a risk in everything and in every last-minute deal” when he considered the deadline-day loan signing of the midfielder Denis Zakaria from Juventus.

Boehly learned that some senior players were unhappy with Tuchel’s tactics and is keen to make his own appointment. Chelsea used three formations in Zagreb, one of which included using Sterling in central midfield.

The squad were surprised to be given time off after the 3-0 defeat at Leeds in August and some wondered whether Tuchel would have taken the same approach in the early part of his reign.

The sacking took place face-to-face with the owners on Wednesday morning at the Cobham training ground and Tuchel’s three coaches – Arno Michels, Zsolt Löw and Benjamin Weber – are expected to depart.

Tuchel has been extremely outspoken about the squad’s readiness to compete, beginning with his explosive remarks after the 4-0 defeat by Arsenal on the club’s US tour. The owners began to see the same complaints from him and the same excuses but no solutions, with Zagreb representing the nadir. “At the moment, everything is missing,” he said on Tuesday night. The owners have felt his comments affected the players’ confidence.

Tuchel felt isolated after the departures of his close allies Marina Granovskaia, a director, and Petr Cech, the technical and performance adviser. The US tour was heavy on tension, as a number of players in the travelling party faced uncertain futures. Tuchel frequently cut a frustrated figure.

 

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,399]

Just now, OneMoSalah said:

Im sorry but that is one of the most moronic things I’ve ever heard.

To use an excuse such as the players aren’t believing in what their doing for a lack of basic effort and showing a bit of fight or passion for the shirt is beyond me.

Moronic is believing a human being should perform 100% even when their confidence is shot. 

We have a manager who virtually hasn't a clue in what he wants. He implements a footballing philosophy that has zero sense of direction and players playing out of position. He criticises the players weekly and tarnishes relationships with everyone.

Tuchel goes on record saying he doesn't know how to fix the issues at the club, and you have the audacity to complain about the players. Why should the players believe in what they are doing when the manager doesn't? 😂

 

 

[robsblubot 3,595]

37 minutes ago, bigbluewillie said:

And that was down to Tuchel, playing players out of position, fucking formations that didn't suit.

Don't get me wrong I liked Tommy but he had totally lost it.

Sure, but so now we decided to ignore everything that happened regarding the sale, half+ of the staff leaving, and the very late numerous signings in the window? And pretend it was all down to the manager, who has been more of a coach than manager from day one?
Sorry, don't buy that.