🇩🇪 Kai Havertz

[BlueLyon 9,359]

27 minutes ago, Jason said:

So we are moving the goalpost here from "whether he can do it in the Premier League?" to "whether he can perform beyond a season?"?

Few games? Pulisic was already good when he broke into the first XI since last October and he got even better after the restart. He has shown the qualities that he can succeed here, especially when his playing style is similar to Hazard. The question of course is whether he can stay fit for at least 90% of the season. Otherwise, I have no doubt that he will do well for us and he also has the right mentality and attitude to go with his talent. 

Not sure about the Jorginho comparison because he is ultimately a limited player and a system player - which Pulisic isn't. Play him in a system like Sarri's, yeah, he will likely do well. Otherwise, he is unable to do that and although he plays in a different position to Pulisic, Jorginho has so many more flaws to his game. 

Hazard and Costa led us to the next level? That certainly made a difference domestically in helping us to win titles but I don't they carried us to the level like Man City and Liverpool are at. Granted, it's not entirely their fault that we didn't build a great squad all those years ago but yeah, we yo-yo-ed between success and disaster, even with them. Hazard did well domestically but didn't (still doesn't) turn up in Europe. Costa also somewhat similar and he tended to fall off the pace in the second half of the season. 

Before calling me out I was wrong about Puli, lets make sure he can deliver on regular basis. Staying fit is also a part of it. Because I clearly mentioned his injury record back then. 

Hazard and Costa can only do so much. Our wingbacks were average. Cesc was shit without the ball. Liverpoop didnt win shit either with their front 3 until they signed Van Dijk and Alison. 

When Puli leads us to domestic title, I wont complain one bit mate. 

[Jase 43,479]

12 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Before calling me out I was wrong about Puli, lets make sure he can deliver on regular basis. Staying fit is also a part of it. Because I clearly mentioned his injury record back then. 

Hazard and Costa can only do so much. Our wingbacks were average. Cesc was shit without the ball. Liverpoop didnt win shit either with their front 3 until they signed Van Dijk and Alison. 

When Puli leads us to domestic title, I wont complain one bit mate. 

I did call you out on it because Pulisic has shown the qualities that you thought he didn't have. The quality is there and it is obvious. The fitness is the issue but that's another debate and if you want to move the goalpost, then sure.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

29 minutes ago, Jason said:

I did call you out on it because Pulisic has shown the qualities that you thought he didn't have. The quality is there and it is obvious. The fitness is the issue but that's another debate and if you want to move the goalpost, then sure.

Shown qualities? That I said he doesnt have? 

Obviously he is a quick player and will demonstrate good game and show his abilities. Even Morata demonstrated his qualities but went to become a complete flop.

But I specificly said back then

1.) He is weak. He cant shield the ball like Hazard

2.) He is injury prone

3.) He isnt prolific

Now he shown glimpses he can be decisive sure. But other two are still true. Eventualy opponents will figure it out how to defend as they always do and then comes the time for real evaluation of the player if he can adapt to that. I never said he isnt good and quick dribbler.

Bottom line there wasnt enough time to evaluate him. He had two very good spells, no point in calling him the next Hazard yet. CHO was great last year too. This season not so much.

If he does that sure, I will be happiest guy in the world. I wont care if I made misjudgement because that will mean he is doing well for Chelsea. 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

Pulisic First year 

11 goals, 7 assists

[Alabama 1,992]

5 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Pulisic First year 

11 goals, 7 assists

Dont mind that Pulisic hater...

Even Eden first year with more games isn't as prolific as this...if Christian is a united or pool or city player you will see how barrage of posters here will worship and rehearse how quality of a player he is and why we didnt buy him...

[Special Juan 28,141]

The press salivating of Bruno Penandes but forget barring injury Pulisic has been simply outstanding.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 hour ago, Alabama said:

Dont mind that Pulisic hater...

Even Eden first year with more games isn't as prolific as this...if Christian is a united or pool or city player you will see how barrage of posters here will worship and rehearse how quality of a player he is and why we didnt buy him...

I guess you mean me being his hater?

No I just think its stupid to jump on bandwagon about any player how great he is this quick. If Pulisic keeps this form he will be on 20 goals, 20 assists per season guy which means he just got extremely great start to his life in england. But hardly achievable, since that would make him the best player in england by mile. Morata was great in the start too. 

Every player has a honeymoon. Then a drop. And then we see their actual level. 

Im not saying Pulisic will flop, its just funny people jump on bandwagon so quick and if he for whatever reason flops, same lot will be shitting on him.

And lastly, we yet have to see how Pulisic copes with the schedule next season. If he stays fit, that is.

Im by far not his hater, I even had him in my FPL team post corona, so if anything I believed he will perform realy well. 

Meanwhile Eden comparisons are nonexistent. Eden had couple top seasons with Lille, played everyweek in and out there. 

But yeah you can accuse me of not hyping up a player (any player, not just Pulisic) after a couple good games because thats idiotic IMO. 

[Alabama 1,992]

34 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

I guess you mean me being his hater?

No I just think its stupid to jump on bandwagon about any player how great he is this quick. If Pulisic keeps this form he will be on 20 goals, 20 assists per season guy which means he just got extremely great start to his life in england. But hardly achievable, since that would make him the best player in england by mile. Morata was great in the start too. 

Every player has a honeymoon. Then a drop. And then we see their actual level. 

Im not saying Pulisic will flop, its just funny people jump on bandwagon so quick and if he for whatever reason flops, same lot will be shitting on him.

And lastly, we yet have to see how Pulisic copes with the schedule next season. If he stays fit, that is.

Im by far not his hater, I even had him in my FPL team post corona, so if anything I believed he will perform realy well. 

Meanwhile Eden comparisons are nonexistent. Eden had couple top seasons with Lille, played everyweek in and out there. 

But yeah you can accuse me of not hyping up a player (any player, not just Pulisic) after a couple good games because thats idiotic IMO. 

Am not a fan of player comparison even Christian distanced himself several times from the Eden Eden comparison....the reason I brought the stats is how people wrote or slated him off before the season even began and due to less game time though due to his fitness issue...

The hatred post is directed not to you but several posters here towards Pulisic even before he kicked a ball to me I dont doubt his abilities and the quality he is gonna bring to the team only concerned about his fitness issue....

[Atomiswave 6,117]

1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

The press salivating of Bruno Penandes but forget barring injury Pulisic has been simply outstanding.

Ohh please, its just the usual Eng media wanking to one of their darling players. If Puli was wearing a united shirt they would all drool over him and calling him the best winger in epl. This is the shit us Chels have to live with and shit wont change until Roman is gone.....cunts the lot

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

Look at all his penalties too. He goes left every single time. 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

2 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Look at all his penalties too. He goes left every single time. 

We must scout their play acting coach, top quality there. Jokes aside we would never get those decisions and the media would slaughter us....thats the difference in bias.

[Special Juan 28,141]

If Penandes was that good he would of stamped his mark on that game last night, and by that I mean dictating the tempo and actually causing a threat, he didn't.

[Jase 43,479]

On the subject of Fernandes, shouldn't forget that the pundits, journalists are also wanking themselves over his penalty technique/style when it's basically the same as Jorginho's! 

[lucio 5,418]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

On the subject of Fernandes, shouldn't forget that the pundits, journalists are also wanking themselves over his penalty technique/style when it's basically the same as Jorginho's! 

“How did he come up with it” “never seen anything like this “ bunch of clowns 🤡 

[blu35_army 551]

 

damn,,are we really need to sell first for funding Havertz transfer? it's joke now when this negotiation keep silence for many journalis....

[Pulisicismydaddy 91]

11 minutes ago, blu35_army said:

 

damn,,are we really need to sell first for funding Havertz transfer? it's joke now when this negotiation keep silence for many journalis....

Surely this is bullshit, who is this guy? Most of the trusted ones said we will make this transfer no matter what without needing any sell. If we don't have enough money because of that average Chilwell I will go mad.

[Blues Forever 1,232]

10 minutes ago, blu35_army said:

 

damn,,are we really need to sell first for funding Havertz transfer? it's joke now when this negotiation keep silence for many journalis....

This guy is well-known bullshiter, just a journo without inside sources.

[NikkiCFC 8,322]

20 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Now he shown glimpses he can be decisive sure. But other two are still true. Eventualy opponents will figure it out how to defend as they always do and then comes the time for real evaluation of the player if he can adapt to that. I never said he isnt good and quick dribbler.

Bottom line there wasnt enough time to evaluate him. He had two very good spells, no point in calling him the next Hazard yet. CHO was great last year too. This season not so much.

Can't really compare CHO and Pulisic. 

CHO just this season scored his first PL goal. 

We had 55 games this season, Pulisic played 34 (7 from the bench) and had 12 motm performances. 35% of the games he played. No one else had more. Not even close. 

And next season with Werner, Havertz and Ziyech around even if teams "figure it out" how to defend against him it will only open spaces for them. So good luck with that. 

[Pizy 18,909]

Think this is off. We would've heard some sort of progress by now if it was as close as all those guys said.

Absolutely no news since Bayer went out over a week ago now. Makes me think that we were never actually serious about signing him to begin with and it was all fabricated media BS. There was probably interest in him but didn't go further than that after Bayer refused to budge on their valuation.

[Jype 6,398]

2 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Think this is off. We would've heard some sort of progress by now if it was as close as all those guys said.

Absolutely no news since Bayer went out over a week ago now. Makes me think that we were never actually serious about signing him to begin with and it was all fabricated media BS. There was probably interest in him but didn't go further than that after Bayer refused to budge on their valuation.

I don't think it's off yet, but like I said last week it's starting to look like it's far from the certain deal we previously thought it was. Negotiations probably still ongoing but it's clear Leverkusen are/were trying to ramp up more interest in Havertz with the comments from their executives last week saying many clubs interested and he can go for a certain price etc.

Marina isn't going to pay the full asking price so they're trying to wait and see if someone else will bite. Bayern could still be in the race if they sell some players (mainly Thiago) so Leverkusen are not in a rush to accept anything less than their full price. It's clear Havertz himself won't go on a strike or anything to force a move so we'll see how it goes. Still think this is likely to go through eventually, but Marina needs to cough up the money and I don't think that will happen unless some players are sold first to raise funds.