closed Everton 3-1 Chelsea

[Jase 43,479]

13 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

He is not a right winger

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Were you saying this every time he did well on the right under Sarri last season? 

[Milan 17,956]

I disagree that Lampard can do nothing if a goalkeeper makes stupid mistakes. You simply replace him to wake the fuck up. It is not like we would field Hilario. Players get dropped when they underperform and cost the team points. Goalies should be no exceptions. Especially when you have someone who has been a ticking bomb lately.

[!Hazard! 3,394]

Comparing Luiz and Zouma is pointless because they are complete opposite as players. And the only reason why Zouma gets game time is because he's tall and strong and has that big jump AC and Tomori just don't have. Once we get Rudiger back I expect Zouma to be on the bench

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

20 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

We just have to face facts - we cannot win every game with this team. 

Mistakes will happen and as long as we and the manager learns from it - all good.

Some of you are so fucking fickle it's embarrassing.

Lampard essentially ruined a back line that already built some sort of understanding. He created unbalance by shoe horning Dave at LB just because he wears the arm band. He then dropped Tomori for god knows why, for Christensen because 'Morris rates him'. All at the same time, taking Zouma, who is very suspect positionally, to play on the other side. Something Rio Ferdinand even said he had a difficult time doing. 

That's what lost us the game, and it was bloody amateur from Lampard. I would fucking hope he learns from this calamity. 

[Vesper 30,175]

26 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

The overreaction on here is comical.

Ok so I didn't see the game- but we all knew what was coming. The Everton performance of the season.

We just have to face facts - we cannot win every game with this team. 

Mistakes will happen and as long as we and the manager learns from it - all good.

Some of you are so fucking fickle it's embarrassing.

It doesn't matter where we finish this season, we are building for the future - it will take 2 or 3 seasons, like it did for Klopp or at least 2 seasons for Pep and you expect Lampard to magically shorten this time? Seriously, have a word with yourself. 

The future is bright, the future is blue.

this is pure gaslighting IMHO

we are so short of quality in the back four

you cannot paper over that shit

and Lamps is being exposed with horrific team selections and subs week after week

Kepa is a goddman mess

we are one loss away from crashing out of the CL in a WEAK group

these are SHIT teams we are losing to

we have FOUR clean sheets out of 25 games

no Chels team has given up more goals now in the first 16 games of an EPL season

we cannot beat top teams and now he are getting beaten by dregs

to say it is all rainbows and unicorns is utter bollocks

and it has fuckall to do with being fickle, we want a WINNING TEAM

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17 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

These are obvious Things but Lamps does Not want to bench Azpi

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Not defending Azpi here but as @Superblue_1986 mentioned, none of our defensive options right now are great - in this case at LB. Alonso is just damn straight bad and slow. Emerson is inconsistent, one game he looks fine and the next he looks straight up bad (e.g. Man City away recently). Lampard is trying to patch things up for now - I think he's desperate for a new LB in January - and he's gone with Azpi who has the most "defensive credit" in the team.

The one thing maybe you can criticize Lampard for is changing the backline too often rather than trying to make sure the players learn from their errors and do better next game. It feels like if a player makes a mistake, then he's out of the next game (e.g. Emerson). 

[11Drogba 2,000]

Just now, Vesper said:

this is pure gaslighting IMHO

we are so short of quality in the back four

you cannot paper over that shit

and Lamps is being exposed with horrific team selections and subs week after week

Kepa is a goddman mess

these are SHIT teams we are losing to

we have FOUR clean sheets out of 25 games

no Chels team has given up more goals now in the first 15 games of an EPL season

we cannot beat top teams and now he are getting beaten by dregs

to say it is all rainbows and unicorns is utter bollocks

and it has fuckall to do with being fickle, we want a WINNING TEAM

A few more losses and he will join us.

[Pizy 18,906]

I don't want to criticize Frank much. It's just time now that he starts getting ruthless with certain players. 

And he's got to drop Mount for a bit. Jorginho is our key man in midfield and we need his calmness and control.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Overreaction this time indeed is massive. Everton were really poor today but they brouht an intensity we could not cope with. we wasted half a dozen of glorious chances (pulisic, willian, mount and abraham all either rushed or delayed their finishes).  Lamps made a poor defensive selection but that is mostlybecause almost all our defensive players are shit. You can not blame poor fnishing and comical goalkeeper and defender errors at Lamps. Can't belive people are already calling for his head. He has not hadany money to spend so can only cope with the mediocre squad we has, which, lets face it is still punching above its weight in 4th place. I predicted 6th and i would still consider 6th place an alright outcome, albeit I think we will somehow scrap 4th.

We might not be able to get much done in the January transfer window but we will be able to get rid of some deadwood and at least bring in some decent player. We clearly still need a left footed winger, a proper striker, a cb and a left back and now maybe a goalie. We might not get absolute quality but you can hardly downgrade from the options we have in those positions.

I maintain. We might lose a lot lately but I maintain we are not playing that bad. Wham, Everton put in their best performances this season so far in. City are just a better side. In all those games we create chances en masse (bar maybe Wham) but failed to score. Young players, young managers are bound to make mistakes. I warned everyone here in the beginning of the season and during that 7 win run that there will be times we will be shit, when the young boys are tired, get bullied make mistaks, lamps picks the wrong tactics or players. This time now has come and this is not the end of it. I can see us struggling all through the packed December. And they all might be slow learners but they will learn eventually.

[Vesper 30,175]

59 minutes ago, Ryan Fong said:

I have no idea why all of the sudden Jorginho is not good enough to start. It’s so obvious the back four keep passing to each other for 99.9999% of the time and don’t have a fucking clue what to do.

and what head injury happened to Lamps where he thinks Azpi is an EPL level LB????????????

[killer1257 3,282]

Not defending Azpi here but as [mention=3965]Superblue_1986[/mention] mentioned, none of our defensive options right now are great - in this case at LB. Alonso is just damn straight bad and slow. Emerson is inconsistent, one game he looks fine and the next he looks straight up bad (e.g. Man City away recently). Lampard is trying to patch things up for now - I think he's desperate for a new LB in January - and he's gone with Azpi who has the most "defensive credit" in the team.

The one thing maybe you can criticize Lampard for is changing the backline too often rather than trying to make sure the players learn from their errors and do better next game. It feels like if a player makes a mistake, then he's out of the next game (e.g. Emerson). 

Emerson had a pretty good game against City til Emerson and Kova could not Deal with Mahrez. Azpi is playing bad most of the Matches regardless if he plays against a good or a bad team.

Emerson was our best Defender before his hamstring injury and only because he played bad against Mahrez does not justify Azpi playing who offers nothing going forward or defending play every match that bad

 

Emerson is our best LB by far. Look at his stats pre injury.

 

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[killer1257 3,282]

and what head injury happened to Lamps where he thinks Azpi is an EPL level LB????????????

That is the Captain Leader Legend Bonus.
It is not the first time we had this dilemma. There was a Time JT played horrible and he played because he was our Captain Leader Legend. After that, Cahill became that and he was undroppable for a time, even after Bad Performances. Now it is Azpi. I have seen it plenty of times

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[OneMoSalah 8,886]

36 minutes ago, Vybz Kartel said:

Luiz was more consistent for us though, yes he would have shit mistakes but he never made the clown errors Zouma makes add in Luiz had a deep ball threat that helped unlock high presses. Zouma shits the bed when pressured 

Luiz consistent? In both spells he had one good season where he wasnt an absolute liability at centre back. Unless I missed something? Or your judging him as a midfielder despite talking about CBs?

30 minutes ago, milan.cech said:

With Rudiger you are all acting like he was the second coming of Christ. The same hopes were put on Kante. 'With Kante back, our defensive issues will be solved.'

I agree, I want Rudiger back asap but the main work must be done from the top, from Lampard and his team, to actually work on the defense and the whole organization. There is zero organization in terms of the defense. Just Rudiger being back will not solve it.

We need a proper defense coach who will 100% work with the defenders.

Reece James and Callum Hudson Odoi got the same as well at the start of the season. Reece has done alright but as I said ages ago, Azpi was only struggling after his minor bad spell due to being exposed/out of position when we lost the ball on transitions. Nothing else.

Bad result. Again, people will be nice towards Frank and say he is learning and we have a young team but they need to wake up and be a bit tougher. Losing to West Ham and Everton in the space of 10 days for a squad that has players like Kepa, Zouma, Jorginho, Emerson, Azplicieuta, Kovacic, Kante, Willian, Pulisic, Abraham etc is probably not good enough.

[Starman60 1,343]

37 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

Ok so I didn't see the game

You might change your mind when you see the highlights

[cosmicway 1,333]

We 're evidently out of form and with the champions league match next week it's worrying.
Everton did not impress me at all, to give them credit. It is we who allowed them to score three times.
The second goal they scored was a horrific bungle up.
Again we played better in the first half and almost nothing in the second half. What does Lamps think about it ?
Some transfers are needed, but not Bakayoko-Drinkwater stuff again.

 

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[killer1257 3,282]

 

Funny Thing is that he is right about Everything, but still plays some of the guys every match. Hope Rüdiger is back and at least One of the guys gets benched

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[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

And yet, not touching our back line would've made the difference. 

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10 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Emerson had a pretty good game against City til Emerson and Kova could not Deal with Mahrez. Azpi is playing bad most of the Matches regardless if he plays against a good or a bad team.
Emerson was our best Defender before his hamstring injury and only because he played bad against Mahrez does not justify Azpi playing who offers nothing going forward or defending.

Emerson is our best LB by far. Look at his stats pre injury.

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Azpi has had good defensive performances this season - e.g. people worried Sterling would roast him when we play Man City but he kept him quiet - but no one bothered to say anything because it doesn't fit the narrative. People only speak about him when he has poor performances. 

Since people are happily jumping onto poor performances - including the younger players - right now, it is surprise that people have largely kept quiet about James' defensive mistakes in past 2 games, one of which cost us against West Ham. Why? Is it because it doesn't fit the narrative? 

[1905didierblue 748]

Just now, killer1257 said:

Funny Thing is that he is right about Everything, but still plays some of the guys every match. Hope Rüdiger is back and at least One of the guys gets benched

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Who would you pick. Given the players at our disposal. Who would you pick up

Because as of this moment - zouma, ac, azpi, mount, Cho, willian are not good enough for Chelsea according to fans, and yet people expect us to win every game, so I would like to hear what is the team that fans would have wanted.