Super Frank Thread

[Jase 43,479]

Lampard on the club winning the CL, his regrets etc.

Shame he wasn't asked how did Tuchel manage to do better than him with the same squad...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/frank-lampard-reveals-thoughts-Chelsea-24309540

"Yeah when you work towards something you want to be there, you want to be the manager and I'm never going to try and lay claim on that. I was part of the early foundation potentially but Thomas did a fantastic job getting them there.

"I will say when I watched it, first I'm a Chelsea person, Chelsea fans are happy and the club deserves.

"But secondly to see Mason and Reece perform at that level, people like Mendy, Thiago and Chilwell, who came in in my time makes me pretty proud. But again that's a great achievement by them and well managed."

"Well obviously you never want to lose a job, I'm in pretty good company at Chelsea. It happens. It's the brutal reality of football at the top level.

"With reflection, I've had a few months out now, it's been nice to spend some time out of the game. I'm pretty proud at the job I did, it was an honour to manage the club.

"I came in at a tough time with the ban and the loss of Eden Hazard and worked really hard to get into the Champions League and Mason [Mount], developing the younger players was a huge deal to me.

"I'm happy. You don't want to lose your job but it's a huge experience for me."

Asked if he had any regrets or done things differently, he said: "I think I could probably sit down and talk to you about a lot of things. That's a manager's job. There will be a lot of things you could do differently.

"But as I say very proud of year one. Year two there were expectations, maybe different complications. Every team had problems this year.

"We had a problem in January and I left my job. I can't go back and keep reflecting on those things in a negative way. I can only look positively going forward."

[NikkiCFC 7,953]

2 hours ago, Jas said:

people like Mendy, Thiago and Chilwell, who came in in my time makes me pretty proud.

Forgot someone maybe? 

[Jase 43,479]

32 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Forgot someone maybe? 

lol Either he didn't do it intentionally and was just namechecking the signings or he did it intentionally...

[Milan 17,854]

1 minute ago, Jas said:

lol Either he didn't do it intentionally and was just namechecking the signings or he did it intentionally...

I can somehow, somewhat feel some bitterness in the interview.

[R2D2 368]

3 hours ago, Jas said:

"We had a problem in January and I left my job.

Lol, one problem we were atrocious.

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Milan said:

I can somehow, somewhat feel some bitterness in the interview.

If he did, then it says a lot about his cluelessness in getting the best out of the attackers. Easy to do it with the defenders or goalkeeper when it's just a case of plucking and dropping them into positions. 

[NikkiCFC 7,953]

Could not find a new job this summer? I never expected PL teams to go for him but Championship? Guys like Parker, Jokanovic are ahead of him... Some younger managers like Gerrard also...

And now guys like Terry, Morris are going for jobs as managers... Cole also just started....

It will be extremely difficult for Lampard to revive his career as a manager but goodluck.

[Jype 6,398]

16 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Could not find a new job this summer? I never expected PL teams to go for him but Championship? Guys like Parker, Jokanovic are ahead of him... Some younger managers like Gerrard also...

And now guys like Terry, Morris are going for jobs as managers... Cole also just started....

It will be extremely difficult for Lampard to revive his career as a manager but goodluck.

Who's to say he even looked very hard? Didn't he and his wife just have a baby a few months ago, maybe going back to work isn't the first thing on his mind right now.

He was rumored to be one of the runners for the Palace job before Vieira was appointed and probably would've taken that one if offered to him, but I'm not so sure he's so anxious to return to management that he'd take any job in the Championship. He has time on his side, because it's not like he needs the money so he can wait for the right project to appear (maybe even in the PL).

Of course it could be that he applied for just about every management job out there and just wasn't hired, but I'm not convinced that's the case.

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

19 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Could not find a new job this summer? I never expected PL teams to go for him but Championship? Guys like Parker, Jokanovic are ahead of him... Some younger managers like Gerrard also...

And now guys like Terry, Morris are going for jobs as managers... Cole also just started....

It will be extremely difficult for Lampard to revive his career as a manager but goodluck.

When has a manager that has been sacked here ever been out of a job for too long though? Plus Parker and Jokanovic are easily just as average as Frank are.

I mean Parker and Jokanovic taking Fulham up with the largest budget in the championship and instantly getting relegated is hardly a sign of great managerial ability, is it? I mean Jokanovic spent like 100m once Fulham got up too and they were horrendous. 

Even Bournemouth are probably on a bigger budget than 90% of the Championship so again, Parker, with a squad containing players who have already played in the PL regularly and considering they were in the play offs last season under Woodgate, if he doesn’t get promotion he will be under heavy scrutiny. 

Edited August 5, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[NikkiCFC 7,953]

2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

When has a manager that has been sacked here ever been out of a job for too long though? Plus Parker and Jokanovic are easily just as average as Frank are.

I mean Parker and Jokanovic taking Fulham up with the largest budget in the championship and instantly getting relegated is hardly a sign of great managerial ability, is it? I mean Jokanovic spent like 100m once Fulham got up too and they were horrendous. 

Even Bournemouth are probably on a bigger budget than 90% of the Championship so again, Parker, with a squad containing players who have already played in the PL regularly and considering they were in the play offs last season under Woodgate, if he doesn’t get promotion he will be under heavy scrutiny. 

Ok about Parker but you have to give credit to Jokanovic.

He also promoted Watford after 9 years in Championship. He was 4th manager in 5 weeks but the one they kept all season. Season before they finished 13th and did not start season good until he came.

Did not continue with them in PL tho.

He took Fulham in relegation zone and they finished 17th season before. He help them stay in CS and season after they were in Play off and season after promoted. So he did very well in CS in every season.

In PL he failed badly because he tried to play offensive football with Fulham.

Lets see how he does in SU.

You may think all these leagues are shit but he won double twice in a row with Partizan and played great football. Got CL group stage with Maccabi which they did only once 10 years before him by knocking out Basel.

And also won Thai title 🤣

I would say he is Championship specialist. Derby finished 6th even the season before Frank so not sure you can say he improved them like Jokan did in both CS teams.

 

[Stats 7,056]

6 hours ago, Jype said:

Who's to say he even looked very hard? Didn't he and his wife just have a baby a few months ago, maybe going back to work isn't the first thing on his mind right now.

He was rumored to be one of the runners for the Palace job before Vieira was appointed and probably would've taken that one if offered to him, but I'm not so sure he's so anxious to return to management that he'd take any job in the Championship. He has time on his side, because it's not like he needs the money so he can wait for the right project to appear (maybe even in the PL).

Of course it could be that he applied for just about every management job out there and just wasn't hired, but I'm not convinced that's the case.

He also said himself that he turned down some flattering offers since he was sacked. I see no reason why he has to lie.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12271099/frank-lampard-reveals-he-turned-down-flattering-offers-after-Chelsea-sacking

[Jase 43,479]

10 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I would say he is Championship specialist. Derby finished 6th even the season before Frank so not sure you can say he improved them like Jokan did in both CS teams.

Not sure why some Chelsea fans seem insistent on playing down what Lampard did at Derby. When he got the job there, the club had to cut costs, get rid of senior players and had to get younger players into the squad. Yes, he may have lost the Championship play-off final but at least he maintained that consistent 6th place-finish despite all the changes that happened as well as it being his first job and by the way, Derby might have also finished 6th in the season before Lampard but they didn't reach the play-off final. Also, if you and some others want to say what Lampard did at Derby was nothing just because he finished 6th with them again, then I guess by the same token, it should be considered a decent feat now considering Derby have gotten so much worse ever since he left and only escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth last season.

[Superblue 6,370]

1 hour ago, Jase said:

Not sure why some Chelsea fans seem insistent on playing down what Lampard did at Derby. When he got the job there, the club had to cut costs, get rid of senior players and had to get younger players into the squad. Yes, he may have lost the Championship play-off final but at least he maintained that consistent 6th place-finish despite all the changes that happened as well as it being his first job and by the way, Derby might have also finished 6th in the season before Lampard but they didn't reach the play-off final. Also, if you and some others want to say what Lampard did at Derby was nothing just because he finished 6th with them again, then I guess by the same token, it should be considered a decent feat now considering Derby have gotten so much worse ever since he left and only escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth last season.

People need to stop focusing on Derby pre Lampard and look at Derby post Lampard. As you said the cost-cutting, etc had already started and Lampard's season stopped that inevitable decline from happening earlier.

 

[NikkiCFC 7,953]

5 hours ago, Jase said:

When he got the job there, the club had to cut costs, get rid of senior players and had to get younger players into the squad. 

Which turn out to be best thing. They got 3 best players on loan in that season due to Lampard pulling power.

Tomori POTY

Wilson top goalscorer

and Mount choose Derby because of Lampard instead of Bundesliga offers. Without those 3 they would finish like 15th or something.

 

[Jase 43,479]

37 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Which turn out to be best thing. They got 3 best players on loan in that season due to Lampard pulling power.

Tomori POTY

Wilson top goalscorer

and Mount choose Derby because of Lampard instead of Bundesliga offers. Without those 3 they would finish like 15th or something.

Yeah but he still made it work. Only have to look at what happened last season when Lampard got the "new shiny toys". 

[Jase 43,479]

22 minutes ago, Mana said:

Lampard also took Tomori, Mount and the coaching staff with him. Derby's top scorer Wilson was on loan from Liverpool during Lampard's season. These are massive things that made a difference and contributed to Derby's downfall the following season.

How can Derby rebuild from that when your top players leave and you don't bring in proper replacements? Of course the only way is down.

But yeah, let's ignore those because ahem, "Super Frank".

Tomori, Mount and Wilson were only loan signings and considering Derby were able to make 8 signings in that summer that Lampard left them, then isn't it their issue that they couldn't find anyone decent to do a good job for them? Plus, they hired Phillip Cocu, who has more experiences as a manager than Lampard, to replace him and yet, he couldn't quite manage a play-off place finish.

Also, we should know better than most that just because good signings are made, it doesn't necessarily they will be good unless the manager knows how to make good use of them at least. Lampard certainly did that with Mount, Wilson etc in that season and mind you, Wilson hasn't come close to replicating the numbers he had at Derby since then. 

[Tomo 21,733]

12 hours ago, Mana said:

Lampard also took Tomori, Mount and the coaching staff with him. Derby's top scorer Wilson was on loan from Liverpool during Lampard's season. These are massive things that made a difference and contributed to Derby's downfall the following season.

How can Derby rebuild from that when your top players leave and you don't bring in proper replacements? Of course the only way is down.

But yeah, let's ignore those because ahem, "Super Frank".

Only you could try and pass off good recruitment as a bad thing.

The bolded bit is hilarious btw given you gave Lampard no leeway for losing Eden Hazard (not to mention Kante was injury stricken for half the season).

Edited August 7, 2021 by Tomo

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Is that deplorable cunt still on here, I blocked him ages ago.