Super Frank Thread

[Special Juan 28,089]

Imagine being 6ft 3 and shit in the air, it's like saying a Boeing 777 is shit at flying

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

1 minute ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Back in 2010 we were much better suited to man marking with the players we had who were both strong in the air and kept the right levels of concentration and anticipation to mark players properly. 

We have absolutely no one at present organising that defence on the pitch and taking the responsibility to do so.

Right but my point was even with the likes of Terry, Carvalho, Ivanovic, Alex, Ballack, Drogba, etc. We conceded loads of goals under Ancelotti from set pieces given the zonal marking approach, when the players were so used to Mourinho's tight marking tactic. 

The fact this wasn't an issue under Conte or Sarri, along with what I've witnessed this season, has me believing it is more to do with coaching than who we have at our disposal. 

It's virtually every time there's a set piece now, the opposition has a chance at goal. 

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Right but my point was even with the likes of Terry, Carvalho, Ivanovic, Alex, Ballack, Drogba, etc. We conceded loads of goals under Ancelotti from set pieces given the zonal marking approach, when the players were so used to Mourinho's tight marking tactic. 

The fact this wasn't an issue under Conte or Sarri, along with what I've witnessed this season, has me believing it is more to do with coaching than who we have at our disposal. 

It's virtually every time there's a set piece now, the opposition has a chance at goal. 

Lampard has to find a solution to it. I feel like we've looked susceptible the last couple of years to set pieces but I think it's really come to the fore this season. 

A lot of the time though is the failure to deal with the second ball. That's players not having the right mentality and concentration to anticipate the danger around them.

When our centre backs are amongst the worst culprits for ball watching and a lack of anticipation (and that's not even just reserved for set piece defending), we're in big trouble.

[Atomiswave 6,117]

8 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Right but my point was even with the likes of Terry, Carvalho, Ivanovic, Alex, Ballack, Drogba, etc. We conceded loads of goals under Ancelotti from set pieces given the zonal marking approach, when the players were so used to Mourinho's tight marking tactic. 

The fact this wasn't an issue under Conte or Sarri, along with what I've witnessed this season, has me believing it is more to do with coaching than who we have at our disposal. 

It's virtually every time there's a set piece now, the opposition has a chance at goal. 

It is coaching, there are defences out there that are far inferior but they do the basics right, they are coached well enough. Our lot look like 4 headless chickens.

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

 

[Jase 43,479]

Lampard on the set-piece problems...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jul/03/frank-lampard-says-chelsea-could-solve-set-piece-problem-by-signing-tall-players

“We’ve looked at set pieces this season,” Chelsea’s manager said. “When we came into the club we looked at the stats from last season. Last season we were bottom of the league defending set plays, in terms of teams getting big chances against us, and second bottom in attacking. We haven’t improved much this year.

“I really don’t like to talk about my own playing days but we didn’t work much at all on set pieces and there were a few reasons, mainly John Terry, Gary Cahill, Didier Drogba, Michael Ballack and [Branislav] Ivanovic. You’d stick it in an area and they would defend it or score goals.

“With Liverpool, I remember a lot of talk about them and set pieces a few seasons ago. They were zonal and conceding a lot. They signed Virgil van Dijk and he heads out everything. There’s a huge relation to personnel and if you don’t have that size, the main thing is trying to compete as hard as you can and making it difficult for other teams to score.

“But I’m not making excuses because we haven’t done that well enough and that has to improve. When you look at who you might bring in with the balance of the squad it is certainly something to take into account.”

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

I just did a research by watching all highlights this season.

23 from 62 goals we conceded this season are from set pieces. 

37%! 

And saying that height is the reason is complete bulllshit.

After set pieces we conceded goals from: Firmino 181cm, Ndidi 181cm, Rodrigo 180cm, Lerma 179cm...

[Jase 43,479]

7 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I just did a research by watching all highlights this season.

23 from 62 goals we conceded this season are from set pieces. 

37%! 

And saying that height is the reason is complete bulllshit.

After set pieces we conceded goals from: Firmino 181cm, Ndidi 181cm, Rodrigo 180cm, Lerma 179cm...

Mind checking the record of Lampard's Derby? 

[Jase 43,479]

Also some stats from the link above:

Conceded from:

• Open Play - 21 (only Leicester, Man City, Man United and Liverpool have conceded less)
• Counter Attacks - 6 (only Aston Villa and Burnley have conceded more)
• Set Pieces - 12 (only Aston Villa, Arsenal and Norwich have conceded more)

Big Chances

• Created - 59 (only Man City and Liverpool have created more)
• Conversion % - 33.72 (only Norwich, Newcastle, Sheffield United, Burnley and Brighton have a worse rate)

[killer1257 3,282]

Also some stats from the link above:
Conceded from:

• Open Play - 21 (only Leicester, Man City, Man United and Liverpool have conceded less)
• Counter Attacks - 6 (only Aston Villa and Burnley have conceded more)
• Set Pieces - 12 (only Aston Villa, Arsenal and Norwich have conceded more)

Big Chances

• Created - 59 (only Man City and Liverpool have created more)
• Conversion % - 33.72 (only Norwich, Newcastle, Sheffield United, Burnley and Brighton have a worse rate)

So we still have conceded less from set pieces under Frank compared to Sarri. But the season still is not over.

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[King Kante 1,643]

9 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I just did a research by watching all highlights this season.

23 from 62 goals we conceded this season are from set pieces. 

37%! 

And saying that height is the reason is complete bulllshit.

After set pieces we conceded goals from: Firmino 181cm, Ndidi 181cm, Rodrigo 180cm, Lerma 179cm...

Well yes, it is not just height. It is also down to our players also being massive pussies (Kepa, AC) and/or incompetent at defending set pieces (Rudi, Tomori, Tammy, Zouma.) However, saying height is the issue is more politically correct for a manager than saying a player is a pussy or incompetent. 

[killer1257 3,282]

I just did a research by watching all highlights this season.
23 from 62 goals we conceded this season are from set pieces. 
37%! 
And saying that height is the reason is complete bulllshit.
After set pieces we conceded goals from: Firmino 181cm, Ndidi 181cm, Rodrigo 180cm, Lerma 179cm...

By the way, Sarri said last season that Alonso is essential for us because of his height and that is why he needs to play.
We conceded more from set pieces in PL last season under Sarri than under Lampard this season, but season still is going on

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