Super Frank Thread

[killer1257 3,282]

I love Simeone and I think he is a little bit underrated in World Football. But I still would not want him here. He plays way to defensive and draws too many games. But he is the only Manager capable of defending a 1:0 against any team in the World. I prefer a little bit more offensive football.

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[killer1257 3,282]

Heheheheh, Newcastle and Watford are in better form than us since the international break. [emoji38]
Once we are out of the top 4, Lampard will see extreme pressure. 4 points above relegation zone since the turn of the break. ANY other coach, Chelsea fans and board by now would have chopped his head.

Of course the board and chelsea fans would want to sack a coach that underachieves with players like Eden Hazard. I would be furious too. With Eden in your team, Top 4 is a must. Any Coach should know that. Conte got sacked because he underachieved with players like Cesc and Hazard in his second season. It is not about Lampard, it is about having realistic expectations.

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[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

3 minutes ago, Mana said:

I look at the January transfer window, again and again. Some people actually thought it was a brilliant idea not signing anybody. It's like they WANT Chelsea to not get top 4.

Because Cavani was the only real target we could've brought in, and he's saving himself for Atletico. 

It genuinely sounds like you would risk the club bringing in more Zappacostas, Drinkwaters, Barkley's, etc in January just to secure Top 4, not even considering the detrimental risk in the long run. 

[Vesper 30,085]

Why Chelsea Have to Finish in the Top Four

 

3 and a half weeks old, but still very relevant, maybe even more so now that we are in full crashout mode atm

[ZaynChelsea 423]

THIS.

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

1 hour ago, Mana said:

Correction: Cavani is the only big name target we could've brought in.

Lampard had a list of players that he wanted. He gotten zilch this window.

Top 4 is very important for Chelsea FC. We lose a ton of money we need for the summer by not being in it. There is no "long run" if we are failing to repair the present.

Lampard being in the last 16 of the CL gave us more money than Sarri winning the EL.

So bringing in a short term player, that boosts our chances to get top 4 is well all and fine by me then not getting anybody in and watch this team fail.

Cavani? Again, he didn't want to come here. I for one am getting sick of hearing Lampard complain of the lack of striker options. Giroud should've played all of Batshuayi's minutes and even some of Tammy's this season. 

Ajax didn't want to get rid of Ziyech in the middle of the season and the club aren't going to spend 80 million for a bang average defender in Chilwell. 

What other players made Lampard's list  that would improve us? In January? The club doesn't want to make the same mistakes it did in 2017 with filling this team with players who at best could be described as Bang Average. 

It is not all doom and gloom as you make it if we miss out on CL. You make it sound as if its 'game over'. Arsenal managed to secure Pepe, Tierney, and Aubameyang without being in the CL. They are now rumored to be front runners to get Upamecano. Are you telling me they are more attractive than us? This is a side that hasn't won the bloody league in almost 20 years and haven't qualified for the CL in 5. 

 

 

 

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

If Lampard is going to be sacked by December I would rather we sack him before the summer window so that our next manager buys his players, we cant be stuck with Lampard's players next season and a new manager trying to shoehorn them in. Thats why we have the mess we have right now. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

4 minutes ago, Vybz Kartel said:

If Lampard is going to be sacked by December I would rather we sack him before the summer window so that our next manager buys his players, we cant be stuck with Lampard's players next season and a new manager trying to shoehorn them in. Thats why we have the mess we have right now. 

If we continue with the progressive football route it won't matter who Lampard brings in (in the hypothetical he gets sacked later on)? CHO/Pulisic/Ruben/Mount/Kovacic/Sancho/Werner/Ziyech/Grimaldo or what ever, any progressive manager can work with these players. 

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

6 hours ago, Jason said:

It's not by Matt Law but...

Frank Lampard will come under serious scrutiny should Chelsea fail to secure a Champions League spot this season 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/02/18/frank-lampard-will-come-serious-scrutiny-should-chelsea-fail/

 

 

And rightly so.

Top 4 was still achieveable and despite it being still esrly in the season even more so after the first 10 or 12 games when others around us faltered and we had a huge points gap.

People will say young players coming through is a saving grace but if we finish 6th or 7th which is all but possible if we continue to freefall, is it really? 

An experienced manager as weve mentioned before wont have been so quick to dismiss Giroud, Pedro and even Barkley when others underperformed earlier on and his lack of faith in these guys, regardless how good or bad they are, has undoubtedly had a part in whats happening now as they are out of form and match fitness when we need them due to injuries. Football is a squad game, the injuries weve had this season has been telling. 

The boards failure to bring somebody experienced or a few players in the January window, which Frank stressed about adding to the group, also hasnt helped him.

We have seen all season from a coaching point of view, the teams defensive shape and ability to defend set pieced has also cost us dearly in games in Europe and in the league. Only Villa have conceded more goals from set plays & corners IIRC but have faced a lot more than we have.

I think Frank will be gone if he doesnt get top 4. Theres no excuse to have 12 points clear at one point and then to lose that spot. He can claim we are underdogs for the top 4 now as everyone else strengthened around us but again Mourinho, Arteta, Wilder etc have also managed to change their clubs fortunes/continue good form due to coaching more than recruitment. Arsenal may have only won a few under Arteta but somehow find themselves closer to us than under Emery and there is a clear, visible improvement which will undoubtedbly continue next season when Arteta gets a full pre season. Same with Mourinho, who okay he is more a result orientated manager as opposed to putting a clear identity on his side but again, they are picking up points. Its not just this season we risk falling behind, Spurs were always a couple of additions short of being title challengers under Pochettino I think and Arsenal lacked under Emery but they are on upward trajectories as opposed to downward ones now in my eyes. We are slipping and struggling.

The summer window is vital for us regardless of manager as well, we will lose experienced players and how we go about replacing that while adding quality in the same window will be intriguing to not avoid what we had when we let Ballack, Joe Cole, Belletti, Carvalho and Deco go because you cannot underestimate experience and winners, especially when its guys like Pedro who has won every trophy more or less at club and international level, Willian who has won a few PLs and cups here and Giroud a WC winner qnd has won countless FA cups. Okay those other guys before were maybe more reliable and better players but again, Cech, Cole, Brana, Drogba, Terry, Cahill etc have all left in the last however long too and we do lack top experienced pros who know what it takes in this current squad. So adding quality and that sort of experience/winning mentality is vital because it can be difficult to develop. Even Courtois, Costa and Cesc had that from spells at other clubs and brought it here.

Another win vs Spurs would just paper over the cracks I feel. As the previous one did.

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

And rightly so.

Top 4 was still achieveable and despite it being still esrly in the season even more so after the first 10 or 12 games when others around us faltered and we had a huge points gap.

People will say young players coming through is a saving grace but if we finish 6th or 7th which is all but possible if we continue to freefall, is it really? 

An experienced manager as weve mentioned before wont have been so quick to dismiss Giroud, Pedro and even Barkley when others underperformed earlier on and his lack of faith in these guys, regardless how good or bad they are, has undoubtedly had a part in whats happening now as they are out of form and match fitness when we need them due to injuries. Football is a squad game, the injuries weve had this season has been telling. 

The boards failure to bring somebody experienced or a few players in the January window, which Frank stressed about adding to the group, also hasnt helped him.

We have seen all season from a coaching point of view, the teams defensive shape and ability to defend set pieced has also cost us dearly in games in Europe and in the league. Only Villa have conceded more goals from set plays & corners IIRC but have faced a lot more than we have.

I think Frank will be gone if he doesnt get top 4. Theres no excuse to have 12 points clear at one point and then to lose that spot. He can claim we are underdogs for the top 4 now as everyone else strengthened around us but again Mourinho, Arteta, Wilder etc have also managed to change their clubs fortunes/continue good form due to coaching more than recruitment. Arsenal may have only won a few under Arteta but somehow find themselves closer to us than under Emery and there is a clear, visible improvement which will undoubtedbly continue next season when Arteta gets a full pre season. Same with Mourinho, who okay he is more a result orientated manager as opposed to putting a clear identity on his side but again, they are picking up points. Its not just this season we risk falling behind, Spurs were always a couple of additions short of being title challengers under Pochettino I think and Arsenal lacked under Emery but they are on upward trajectories as opposed to downward ones now in my eyes. We are slipping and struggling.

The summer window is vital for us regardless of manager as well, we will lose experienced players and how we go about replacing that while adding quality in the same window will be intriguing to not avoid what we had when we let Ballack, Joe Cole, Belletti, Carvalho and Deco go because you cannot underestimate experience and winners, especially when its guys like Pedro who has won every trophy more or less at club and international level, Willian who has won a few PLs and cups here and Giroud a WC winner qnd has won countless FA cups. Okay those other guys before were maybe more reliable and better players but again, Cech, Cole, Brana, Drogba, Terry, Cahill etc have all left in the last however long too and we do lack top experienced pros who know what it takes in this current squad. So adding quality and that sort of experience/winning mentality is vital because it can be difficult to develop. Even Courtois, Costa and Cesc had that from spells at other clubs and brought it here.

Another win vs Spurs would just paper over the cracks I feel. As the previous one did.

Unless we continue to regress and show no sign of improvement, what would be the point of sacking Lampard if we miss out on the Top 4? If the club are really worried about not finishing in the Top 4, they might as well just pull the trigger now and be done with it. Otherwise, we're better off continuing what we started (assuming we stop spiraling out of control). 

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Unless we continue to regress and show no sign of improvement, what would be the point of sacking Lampard if we miss out on the Top 4? If the club are really worried about not finishing in the Top 4, they might as well just pull the trigger now and be done with it. Otherwise, we're better off continuing what we started (assuming we stop spiraling out of control). 

The point would be if he isnt the right guy to bring on us and get us back competing whats the point in keeping him? His legacy as a player? Hes not Klopp or Guardiola either which people keep seeming to rather stupidly compare our predicament now to their first seasons. They were both top managers prior to coming to the PL and would still be even if they didnt achieve anything. The club will want to get top 4 and as argued before a more experienced and proven manager could likely have achieved this with our squad before a ball was kicked. Even more so being 12 points clear of the top 4 at the time we were. It even looked difficult for us and Frank to somehow mess that up. If we dont do well in the Spurs game and CL double header he could be gone. Allegri and Pochettino are sitting unemployed.... 

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

The point would be if he isnt the right guy to bring on us and get us back competing whats the point in keeping him? His legacy as a player? Hes not Klopp or Guardiola either which people keep seeming to rather stupidly compare our predicament now to their first seasons. They were both top managers prior to coming to the PL and would still be even if they didnt achieve anything. The club will want to get top 4 and as argued before a more experienced and proven manager could achieve this with our squad before a ball was kicked. Even more so being 12 points clear of the top 4 at the time we were. It even looked difficult for us and Frank to somehow mess that up. If we dont do well in the Spurs game and CL double header he could be gone. Allegri and Pochettino are sitting unemployed.... 

Precisely why I said "Unless we continue to regress and show no sign of improvement". If we somehow rediscover our form again but just miss out on the Top 4, then what's the point of sacking him then? Might as well let Lampard continue what he started. If we continue to regress and miss out on Top 4, then yeah, you could make a case of sacking him then and there. If the club are gonna sack Lampard simply because we miss out on the Top 4, then they are idiots. If they are really worried about finishing in the Top 4, they might as well just sack him now.