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Chelsea fans are so used to instant success that it’s impossible for a manager to build a team at Chelsea. Lampard was brought in for the long term project & not for overnight success & just to be sacked. Did Klopp produce his PL & UCL winning Liverpool overnight? No. Back him.

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I can't actually believe how well coached we are. Puts it in further perspective when you see the garbage United and Arsenal are spewing. I love the fact Frank isn't so stubborn to try and do it

Very confused, can only assume the ones being somewhat negative did not watch the game? Aside from Dave and Zouma, I thought we played really well against the European Champions. I was shocked at time

Our pressing game was superb, and made all the difference today! 4-3-3 with Mount and Havertz to harass opponents and Kante to sweep up behind...that's the way to go. And we have two bombing

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14 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Frank is right   -''United are miles ahead in Europe in getting penalties at Old Trafford, yet Azpi in a headlock isnt worth 20 seconds of monitor scrutiny, when often they stop for three minutes to look at it''

That's it. We kept being shown the other incident..takes seconds to check but sillier moments happy to check

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3 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I thought it was good. 

We need to improve defense first and he is doing that the last two games. 

Exactly. Mourinhos mantra  -start from the back, and two for every position (though he did have the luxury of a blank chequebook)

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3 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I thought it was good. 

We need to improve defense first and he is doing that the last two games. 

Yeah but our attacking play was sacrificed for it. 0.4 and 0.21 xG against Sevilla and Man United say it all.

All good playing defensively against those 2 to get a point but can we maintain the balance - good offensively and defensively - against the lesser teams? The next 6 games will tell us a lot. 

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2 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Exactly. Mourinhos mantra  -start from the back, and two for every position (though he did have the luxury of a blank chequebook)

@Tomo will be having fits over this... :ph34r:

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for me it's funny how some people are happy with two 0-0 draws like thats an improvement after those 3-3 and 4-1 4-0 and such games. why cant we have both sides of the coin. it's like its an unrealistic expectation, and we should be happy with what we have. like we are fucking palace or something. 

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Lets bring up the mourinho and conte games then and see if we were as piss poor in attack in them too.

CL knockout and massive title deciding games aside, jose parked the bus but never looked to draw.

You wanna see the tactical masterclass? Conte vs barca at the bridge. Sat back, have them possession but should have won 3-0. Willian should have scored twice as should have hazard. We made chances, we were urgent when space opened up.



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15 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Two 0-0's in a row, bet Frank is fucking buzzing, and wrongly so.

Two average performances and toothless with it.

I said on the match thread that the next games will show how good these results were.

Krasandor, Burnley and SHU there's no excuse for anything other than 9 points (unless we get denied by a keeper masterclass) and if we're still looking shaky attacking then questions will be asked and rightly so.

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Lets bring up the mourinho and conte games then and see if we were as piss poor in attack in them too.

CL knockout and massive title deciding games aside, jose parked the bus but never looked to draw.

You wanna see the tactical masterclass? Conte vs barca at the bridge. Sat back, have them possession but should have won 3-0. Willian should have scored twice as should have hazard. We made chances, we were urgent when space opened up.



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We don't have Hazard or Cesc no more

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2 minutes ago, Supermonkey92 said:

CL knockout and massive title deciding games aside, jose parked the bus but never looked to draw.

Man United away in 2013/14.

Man City away in 2014/15 and 2015/16.

Same manager who also went and parked the bus at Basel! 

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Man United away in 2013/14.
Man City away in 2014/15 and 2015/16.
Same manager who also went and parked the bus at Basel! 
In cant remember the United match. The city matches are good counterexamples but that's because they were CLEARLY better.

Yaya, silva, Aguero all in their prime.

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I'd rather Lampard get the defensive base and organisation sorted out now early in the season then it remaining a huge issue for us all season.

People need some patience with this. Lampard is finally starting to show some tactical discipline and shape to our game that fans have been crying out for the last year. It's obviously affected our attack over the past two games and we need to find the right balance but I firmly believe this base is better to build from than the base we were showing in the earlier weeks (i.e. full of goals but looking like conceding just as many). 

Nobody is pulling away at present in the league, and if we can get these points to our game right it'll stand us in good stead throughout the season.

We are much more likely to be able to grind some results out through the season 1-0 than we are winning 4-3 in a game of pinball. And the way this season is progressing that could seriously put us in a position to be able to mount a title challenge this year.

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1 minute ago, Supermonkey92 said:

In cant remember the United match. The city matches are good counterexamples but that's because they were CLEARLY better.

Yaya, silva, Aguero all in their prime.

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Still doesn't necessarily Mourinho's over cautious approach in those kind of games. 

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2 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I'd rather Lampard get the defensive base and organisation sorted out now early in the season then it remaining a huge issue for us all season.

People need some patience with this. Lampard is finally starting to show some tactical discipline and shape to our game that fans have been crying out for the last year. It's obviously affected our attack over the past two games and we need to find the right balance but I firmly believe this base is better to build from than the base we were showing in the earlier weeks (i.e. full of goals but looking like conceding just as many). 

Nobody is pulling away at present in the league, and if we can get these points to our game right it'll stand us in good stead throughout the season.

We are much more likely to be able to grind some results out through the season 1-0 than we are winning 4-3 in a game of pinball. And the way this season is progressing that could seriously put us in a position to be able to mount a title challenge this year.

TBH, I would wait and see the next few games and results before we start proclaiming about any sort of progression under Lampard based on the last 2 games. Our main problem has been having the right balance between defence and attack without sacrificing one or the other. All fine playing defensively against Sevilla and Man United but it also meant we posed next to no threat whatsoever against them (0.4 and 0.21 xG against Sevilla and Man United respectively). The upcoming games against Krasnodar, Burnley, Rennes, Sheffield United, Newcastle and Rennes again will tell us more because I don't think any of us are going to accept similar defensive setup/approach in those games.

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Still doesn't necessarily Mourinho's over cautious approach in those kind of games. 
Why not? The chance of winning was small and his overly defensive approach would keep city at the same points difference.

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11 minutes ago, Jason said:

TBH, I would wait and see the next few games and results before we start proclaiming about any sort of progression under Lampard based on the last 2 games. Our main problem has been having the right balance between defence and attack without sacrificing one or the other. All fine playing defensively against Sevilla and Man United but it also meant we posed next to no threat whatsoever against them (0.4 and 0.21 xG against Sevilla and Man United respectively). The upcoming games against Krasnodar, Burnley, Rennes, Sheffield United, Newcastle and Rennes again will tell us more because I don't think any of us are going to accept similar defensive setup/approach in those games.

It's a process that could take some time, but as I said in the first post I would rather we see some serious consideration and effort put into making ourselves far harder to beat now, even if it is to the detriment of our attacking play for a few games. I'll take winning those games in front of us 1-0 right now. The attacking movement and confidence will develop in time but it can only flourish to it's maximum with a solid base behind it which until the last two games was non-existent.

That solid foundation will be the key to whether we put up a greater challenge this season than last. The Kevin Keegan approach of we'll score more goals than you, is great for a few games but there's no long term viability about it. 

We have to get back to being far harder to beat because you can't play great and score 3 goals every game. Our problem for too long has been if we don't do that we usually don't win (and even then it's still not guaranteed).

Also to note that there's been no pre season. I know that is the same for everyone, but in our situation with the number of new signings (and even then they've become available at different intervals) I do thing that has to also be taken into context when analysing this. 

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