Super Frank Thread

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5 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Your missing the point. Blatantly. Was Lampard only appointed 2 matches ago? No. He has had a full season to implement a structure and playing style. First half of last season it was obvious to see what we were doing and since then it hasnt been clear to see what we are trying to do. You dont buy 200mn on players a season after being appointed and try change your style, you buy the players to fit into your structure and playing style that you should have previously put in place. 

When has Guardiola ever changed his playing style even for personnel issues? Hasn’t done that anywhere. Even at Bayern he was taking over a top team who won a treble playing a more aggressive style of football that was different to his own but instead of adapting and taking some things from it, he kept his style and even when getting beat by Real in the CL in humiliating fashion as well as never making it to the finals with them, didnt change. Even at City year 1 they played the same way he has always done even with Zabaleta and Kolarov as full backs and while they got killed defensively at times he kept his style to implement it and improved it next season. He’s not a manager who adapts his philosophy if he has missing players or not the right players, City without Aguero or Sterling or Rodri or De Bruyne etc still play the exact same way. If you don’t see that then I don’t know, couldn’t have picked a worse example of someone who’s playing style is so set and will be the same at every club. 

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3 minutes ago, Jason said:

You think Guardiola will move away from his possession, attacking football if he has a few players missing? Okay...

Pep changed the way he set up against bloody lyon to stop depay. He played his best player and one of the best players in the world out of position against LYON, with a full squad. 

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Just now, Puliiszola said:

Pep changed the way he set up against bloody lyon to stop depay. He played his best player and one of the best players in the world out of position against LYON, with a full squad. 

You are not wrong there but we should not also forget about a caveat here - Guardiola goes all weird when it comes to European football and changes things for no reason. Otherwise, he always sticks to his guns and plays his way, which is the point I made.

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Your missing the point. Blatantly. Was Lampard only appointed 2 matches ago? No. He has had a full season to implement a structure and playing style. First half of last season it was obvious to see what we were doing and since then it hasnt been clear to see what we are trying to do. You dont buy 200mn on players a season after being appointed and try change your style, you buy the players to fit into your structure and playing style that you should have previously put in place. 
When has Guardiola ever changed his playing style even for personnel issues? Hasn’t done that anywhere. Even at Bayern he was taking over a top team who won a treble playing a more aggressive style of football that was different to his own but instead of adapting and taking some things from it, he kept his style and even when getting beat by Real in the CL in humiliating fashion as well as never making it to the finals with them, didnt change. Even at City year 1 they played the same way he has always done even with Zabaleta and Kolarov as full backs and while they got killed defensively at times he kept his style to implement it and improved his squad next season with players who fit his style. He’s not a manager who adapts his philosophy if he has missing players or not the right players, City without Aguero or Sterling or Rodri or De Bruyne etc still play the exact same way. If you don’t see that then I don’t know, couldn’t have picked a worse example of someone who’s playing style is so set and will be the same at every club. 

That’s exactly what I’m talking about, I don’t think he’s trying to change the style “in big picture” like you all said, for this game can you fault him for being pragmatic knowing the fact that they’re the champion of last year with full squad and we’re missing players? He twitched the tactic to a certain difficult game you say he doesn’t have a philosophy, he kept using the same tactic you say he’s stubborn, I dunno how you fans can be pleased really.

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

You are not wrong there but we should not also forget about a caveat here - Guardiola goes all weird when it comes to European football and changes things for no reason. Otherwise, he always sticks to his guns and plays his way, which is the point I made.

Given the 50 odd games of last season, so has FL. But we also need to be aware of the situation and reality here. Just because we spend 200m on transfers, did not make us world beaters. We have to give respect to Liverpool who have schooled the likes of Barca, City and beaten Bayern in 18/19. With our best team available, I have no doubt we would have been far more adventurous. But we just were not.

A cross in the box = goal with Kepa doing his antics. A half decent shot is made to look like a world class one by him. To give us even a semblance of chance we had to let go off the far more naturally attacking instinct of this team. 

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Many Chels fans are saying the writing is on the wall at varioud forums YT etc, that FL is a brick. I still think its a bit soon, he has till christmas to prove many wrong, if its still hogwash then either Poch or Allegri will take over.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

You think Guardiola will move away from his possession, attacking football if he has a few players missing? Okay...

Using Man City as a reference, that the team are stacked with players for every fucking position, compare to ours last season plus two games this season. Okay... fair enough.

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1 minute ago, Ryan Fong said:

Using Man City as a reference, that the team are stacked with players for every fucking position, compare to ours last season plus two games this season. Okay... fair enough.

It isn't about Man City and their resources. It's about Guardiola. With the exception of him going all weird in European matches, are you really gonna say that he is someone who will deviate from his ideas, his possession-attacking style of play? Do you really believe or think that he will change from that to say Tony Pulis-style football because of missing personnel? 

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

It isn't about Man City and their resources. It's about Guardiola. With the exception of him going all weird in European matches, are you really gonna say that he is someone who will deviate from his ideas, his possession-attacking style of play? Do you really believe or think that he will change from that to say Tony Pulis-style football because of missing personnel? 

No he wont, but does not mean he is right. 

He barely made the top 4 in his first season in PL with a team stacked with talent. Games like everton 4-0 were embarassing to watch. 

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It isn't about Man City and their resources. It's about Guardiola. With the exception of him going all weird in European matches, are you really gonna say that he is someone who will deviate from his ideas, his possession-attacking style of play? Do you really believe or think that he will change from that to say Tony Pulis-style football because of missing personnel? 

Come on, don’t be this naive, take a look at the “resources” he has possessed over the past decades. Give him Stoke and let’s see how he plays his beautiful attacking style of football shall we? All I’m asking is give Frank more time before you draw any definite conclusions and he isn’t doing that bad so far.

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1 minute ago, Puliiszola said:

No he wont, but does not mean he is right. 

He barely made the top 4 in his first season in PL with a team stacked with talent. Games like everton 4-0 were embarassing to watch. 

But look what happened in the following seasons. Guardiola had some bad lows in the first season but he stuck to his guns. He laid the foundation, his ideas and style of play in his first season and once he got his signings after that, they took off to a completely different level. Same can be said for Klopp at Liverpool as well.

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No he wont, but does not mean he is right. 
He barely made the top 4 in his first season in PL with a team stacked with talent. Games like everton 4-0 were embarassing to watch. 

Exactly, he can keep his style with much inferior team then I’ll call him stupid.

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8 minutes ago, Ryan Fong said:

Come on, don’t be this naive, take a look at the “resources” he has possessed over the past decades. Give him Stoke and let’s see how he plays his beautiful attacking style of football shall we? All I’m asking is give Frank more time before you draw any definite conclusions and he isn’t doing that bad so far.

You are not answering the question I asked about Guardiola.

The Guardiola-Stoke bit is irrelevant considering he would never go there. He has his ideas, principles and style of play. He would only go to a club that can match that. 

Am not drawing definite conclusion about Lampard yet but does not mean we cannot evaluate his work in the team, especially when he's been in the job for over a year. 

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

But look what happened in the following seasons. Guardiola had some bad lows in the first season but he stuck to his guns. He laid the foundation, his ideas and style of play in his first season and once he got his signings after that, they took off to a completely different level. Same can be said for Klopp at Liverpool as well.

The bald fraud has never inherited a squad like ours last season, even before “he got his signings”.

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

But look what happened in the following seasons. Guardiola had some bad lows in the first season but he stuck to his guns. He laid the foundation, his ideas and style of play in his first season and once he got his signings after that, they took off to a completely different level. Same can be said for Klopp at Liverpool as well.

Klopp changes his style of play. Against city, Emery arsenal he did just counter the shit out of those teams. Against Bayern. 

Pep needed 450m € on just the defenders to get that system working. And don't think he had anywhere near the issues we do with what's happening with kepa

 

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5 hours ago, Strike said:

TC being TC. You'd think we are in April going by the reactions here. Its two games into the season!

 

Think it is the manner of how the team was set up to play that has made the fans angry, rather than the result. It really was a coward display, a reminiscence of JM Mk II, a packed midfield, a creative no. 10 played on the wing, another midfielder on the other just to track back - everything to try to nullify Liverpool's strenghts, rather than imposing our own game. This is not good enough for a club of this calibre playing at home.

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3 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

Klopp changes his style of play. Against city, Emery arsenal he did just counter the shit out of those teams. Against Bayern. 

Pep needed 450m € on just the defenders to get that system working. And don't think he had anywhere near the issues we do with what's happening with kepa

Guardiola somewhat had the benefit of most of his current attackers were already at the club when he took over. But anyway, it is not like we haven't spent money ourselves either.

As for him not having a problem like Kepa, well Claudio Bravo says hello. 

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You are not answering the question I asked about Guardiola.
The Guardiola-Stoke bit is irrelevant considering he would never go there. He has his ideas, principles and style of play. He would only go to a club that can match that. 
Am not drawing definite conclusion about Lampard yet but does not mean we cannot evaluate his work in the team, especially when he's been in the job for over a year. 

Like you said Pep only go to a club that have his type of players, what about Frank? Of course we can evaluate his work, which is not so bad without the players he wants, fair?