Super Frank Thread

[LAM09 7,043]

We are fecking playing Wolves away next. God help us.

Yet to win a league game, so something will give.

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

1 hour ago, bigbluewillie said:

i love your MF three.

Why is everyone so sure that when fit James will get the nod over Dave?

Not sure about the front three either.

Probably because Dave was never a proper 'footballer'. Doesn't have the technical ability to work out of a press, and offers next to nothing in the final third. Only thing he had going for him was his defensive consistency. Now that's gone given his legs have now given out. He's making fundamental mistakes, and at 30 years of age, it's a cause for concern. 

James seems to be rated very highly, from both neutrals in the Championship as well as our own fans who are knowledgeable in our youth set up. Even by watching his videos you can see how much of an athlete and football he is. 

Probably our best front three on form, which isn't saying much. Mount showing early promise and energy, Tammy in full confidence, and Pedro with experience. Not to mention all suited for Lampard's football. 

The more I think about it, the more not playing CHO until he signs a new deal, makes sense. 

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1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

13 hours ago, Mana said:

We are fecking playing Wolves away next. God help us.

Yet to win a league game, so something will give.

And they lost today.

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3 hours ago, LAM09 said:

14 hours ago, Mana said:

We are fecking playing Wolves away next. God help us.

Yet to win a league game, so something will give.

THat can only mean one thing......they will get their first win vs us of course, I mean of course they will, this is Chel afterall. THey will hassle and fight, the ref will be with them and we will somehow make a costly mistake. You just know it, but damn I hope we grab them 3pts.

[Laylabelle 9,534]

Yeah expecting maybe a point from the next 2 games. If that. 

I'd bloody love it got something from Liverpool 

[LAM09 7,043]

THat can only mean one thing......they will get their first win vs us of course, I mean of course they will, this is Chel afterall. THey will hassle and fight, the ref will be with them and we will somehow make a costly mistake. You just know it, but damn I hope we grab them 3pts.

Their best CB being out is a slight plus.

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11 hours ago, LAM09 said:

14 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

THat can only mean one thing......they will get their first win vs us of course, I mean of course they will, this is Chel afterall. THey will hassle and fight, the ref will be with them and we will somehow make a costly mistake. You just know it, but damn I hope we grab them 3pts.

Their best CB being out is a slight plus.

For sure

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On 9/1/2019 at 4:44 PM, Laylabelle said:

Even if the results go south the board sacking him be so stupid. They knew his experience and that was limited and knew he can't make drastic changes that may want to. Learning process... Just learning the hard way. We knew be a long season though we really shouldn't be 2-0 up and throw it away like that... 

Like I said after Lamp appointment, the only reason for sacking lamp if we were close to relegation like what happened with Mou. 

[Henrique 9,133]

Not sure if the board will give him the time was promised, but right now its safe to say that in his first games he looks the worst manager of Abramovich era by a (un) comfortably margin. Yeah, his ideas are great, and the team can produce a nice football for some part of the game...but the results just don't come. He reminds me of Andre Villas Boas but AVB at least made subs that made sense. To other side Lampards subs are completely crazy and just don't make any sense.

I don't see this team even finishing inside top 10.

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On 9/1/2019 at 7:39 AM, petre.ispirescu said:

He's bound to mistakes just like the youngsters playing at the moment. Who cares really?! It's a season of transition at the end of which everybody will have learned more and be more experienced going into the next one, including Frank Lampard. His chat with Kovacic during the match yesterday showed me the atmosphere at the club is better than ever and that's the most important thing after some toxic seasons. 

There are two established clubs at the moment that happen to be some of the best in Europe, as well (City and Liverpool) and two others that have good squads to easily finish top four (Spurs and Arsenal). Do you think Chelsea can finish ahead of one of Spurs or Arsenal? With this squad and so many youngsters playing? I don't, so the bottom line is people should chill a bit and enjoy this season, top four is out of reach. 

It is the perfect season to lay the foundations for the future - Hudson-Odoi, Loftus-Cheek, Reece James, Mason Mount, Tammy Abraham, Tomori (hopefully others to come, too) - Chelsea through and through, guys that have this club in their blood, football is going nuts with all the crazy transfer amounts and greedy agents and money grabbing cunts like Neymar. 

This season will most probably end bad in terms of trophies and standings, but I am sure it'll benefit a lot in the long run should youngsters continue to play. 

That’d be a perfectly acceptable outcome, but some of us are worried about a very different one.

I’ve been through a few of these so called transitions, it usually means someone fucked up. That is because the best clubs have no rebuilding, just a constant organic and Gradual replacement of the players who are past with new talented ones. whether they come from the academy or elsewhere matters little, perhaps only for NT supporters.

thats by far the best way to develop youth imo. Barca is probably the best club at this transition.

You can’t build a winning mentality by losing and struggling. No one will be happy if we are losing games over and over again. Young players will start questioning their abilities (and managers) and lose confidence, far more than established players. Winning is very important esp for younger players. That’s why the best way to do this is slowly and with established role models who they can learn from.

Speaking of greed, Cho is yet to sign a contract and he is the closest thing, potential wise, to a Neymar (a few years away and still unlikely to me). I understand folks want the nice guy, the cool kid, but football is about winning and for that you need a good order of both grit and talent. The latter is especially difficult to find or produce, which is why it is so expensive.

a more realistic outcome is that half of these youngsters will not cut it. Once the window reopens for us they have to be at least as good as the ones we can afford for their positions. Otherwise they will either go (sold/loan) or be used as squad players, which is fine of course.

I guess nothing more to do other than watch and support the team now. And hope the outcome is more like what you described.

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, Robchels said:

That’d be a perfectly acceptable outcome, but some of us are worried about a very different one.

I’ve been through a few of these so called transitions, it usually means someone fucked up. That is because the best clubs have no rebuilding, just a constant organic and Gradual replacement of the players who are past with new talented ones. whether they come from the academy or elsewhere matters little, perhaps only for NT supporters.

thats by far the best way to develop youth imo. Barca is probably the best club at this transition.

You can’t build a winning mentality by losing and struggling. No one will be happy if we are losing games over and over again. Young players will start questioning their abilities (and managers) and lose confidence, far more than established players. Winning is very important esp for younger players. That’s why the best way to do this is slowly and with established role models who they can learn from.

Speaking of greed, Cho is yet to sign a contract and he is the closest thing, potential wise, to a Neymar (a few years away and still unlikely to me). I understand folks want the nice guy, the cool kid, but football is about winning and for that you need a good order of both grit and talent. The latter is especially difficult to find or produce, which is why it is so expensive.

a more realistic outcome is that half of these youngsters will not cut it. Once the window reopens for us they have to be at least as good as the ones we can afford for their positions. Otherwise they will either go (sold/loan) or be used as squad players, which is fine of course.

I guess nothing more to do other than watch and support the team now. And hope the outcome is more like what you described.

Yeah minimum has to be 6th/7th with mid 60's points anything else is failure and in those circumstance i honestly wouldn't be that distraught if Frank is relieved from his duties. The last thing i want to see is time for time sake like what United are doing. Frank has to earn the time by showing a solid evolution as a manager and learning from his mistakes. So far i can see potential, he managed the game quite well at Norwich and well and truly stood his ground against Klopp but on the flip side he's (in my opinion) the reason we have 2 points at Stamford Bridge instead of 6, the Sheffield game especially was criminal game management. 

One thing i do disagree with you on mind is it easy to avoid transition, even Ferguson couldn't avoid it (01-06).

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26 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Yeah minimum has to be 6th/7th with mid 60's points anything else is failure and in those circumstance i honestly wouldn't be that distraught if Frank is relieved from his duties. The last thing i want to see is time for time sake like what United are doing. Frank has to earn the time by showing a solid evolution as a manager and learning from his mistakes. So far i can see potential, he managed the game quite well at Norwich and well and truly stood his ground against Klopp but on the flip side he's (in my opinion) the reason we have 2 points at Stamford Bridge instead of 6, the Sheffield game especially was criminal game management. 

One thing i do disagree with you on mind is it easy to avoid transition, even Ferguson couldn't avoid it (01-06).

Sounds about right. Sheffield was indeed bizarre... perhaps a hint of arrogance ignoring what was happening on the pitch? 

You are right.  Maybe I really meant a long forced transition which includes overusing youngsters from the academy. I’ve actually seen it before and did not work very well then.

there is a reason top clubs don’t rely as much in their academies for the starting xi.

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7 hours ago, Robchels said:

That’d be a perfectly acceptable outcome, but some of us are worried about a very different one.

I’ve been through a few of these so called transitions, it usually means someone fucked up. That is because the best clubs have no rebuilding, just a constant organic and Gradual replacement of the players who are past with new talented ones. whether they come from the academy or elsewhere matters little, perhaps only for NT supporters.

thats by far the best way to develop youth imo. Barca is probably the best club at this transition.

You can’t build a winning mentality by losing and struggling. No one will be happy if we are losing games over and over again. Young players will start questioning their abilities (and managers) and lose confidence, far more than established players. Winning is very important esp for younger players. That’s why the best way to do this is slowly and with established role models who they can learn from.

Speaking of greed, Cho is yet to sign a contract and he is the closest thing, potential wise, to a Neymar (a few years away and still unlikely to me). I understand folks want the nice guy, the cool kid, but football is about winning and for that you need a good order of both grit and talent. The latter is especially difficult to find or produce, which is why it is so expensive.

a more realistic outcome is that half of these youngsters will not cut it. Once the window reopens for us they have to be at least as good as the ones we can afford for their positions. Otherwise they will either go (sold/loan) or be used as squad players, which is fine of course.

I guess nothing more to do other than watch and support the team now. And hope the outcome is more like what you described.

Well to be fair we all know Chelsea probably would not have gone this route (youngsters & Lampard) had everything at the club would be fine. I mean no ban and Roman back in London. Rather than a planned transition this actually is a kind of forced one given the ban and Roman's reluctance to splash big money at least until his visa problems get sorted. 

I mean Lampard or not, Chelsea would have still had to play this season with last season's squad - plus Pulisic. And no Hazard!!! I mean, this squad right now is not top 4 quality, not because they are dross, but because there are so many young and inexperienced guys. But at the same time, nor was (top 4 quality) a first team of Willian, Pedro, Alonso, Giroud (and all the others, bar the youngsters). I know you will probably say "But they did it already, finished 3rd last season" - I know this, but would you see that first team with no Hazard do it again this season? I personally do not. 

I agree youngsters need wins, but at the same time this is the perfect moment for them because there is no pressure and can develop w/o the burden of having to think "I need to score, do this, do that, we might be out of the title race, might be out of the Cup, need to winnat all costs, this is Chelsea, manager's position is in danger because I do not perform etc." 

I don't know for a fact (I would not be able to), but my view is that everybody at Cobham has been informed (from the higher up) this is a totally transitional season in which Lampard is 100% safe no matter what and has to play/develop Academy graduates. 

Will all this pay off in the long run? Nobody knows, we can only hope it will. But all I know is that there was probably never a better time to introduce the youngsters than now.

We've been fortunate enough to win so many major trophies during the last 15 years, maybe it is time for a dry patch for us, too. Liverpool have gone through this for years before last May and always spent to get back, Arsenal are yet to win a major trophy (don't count FA Cup) in bastard years and spend every summer, United it's their 6th season and they continue to spend with no results. 

It'll probably take a couple of years but I am sure we'll be back challenging for the title by 21/22 season. 

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Frank Lampard confirms Chelsea's 19-man Premier League squad

The Blues have confirmed their list of players for the season.

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/breaking-chelsea-premier-league-squad-16860176

 

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I am interested to see what is Lampard vision for this team or what is his plan to bring this team back to contender status. 

Does he envision team like pool, two marauding fb, athletic cm, fast forwards. Or team full of passer and some runner like in city. 

With us having CHO, Mount, Kova, Puli,Ruben, kante. They provided Lamp with a good basis but It is very difficult to create a system to get the best out of everyone