Kepa Arrizabalaga

[Vesper 28,768]

4 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

Let's not listen to his advice again! But to start with he wasn't that bad! Nothing like this. The odd error maybe but yesterday wow...he was off and away!

Know confidence is low and mistakes being made definitely aren't helping that but what's the answer? Especially if keeps making mistakes.

He won't get played first choice but who would want to buy him? Or if do be for a lot less..which probably end up doing.

football is littered with players who started out oki and then collapsed

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Then I will stick to my guns and call for his sacking.

Dead serious.

Kepa is THAT BAD.

It is suicidal, and if Cech actually rates him, he is a fucking moron.

Furthermore, whoever forced Marina to buy Kepa needs to be sacked, they should already have been sacked, but seriously, heads need to roll.

Kepa is literally  helping to destroy the club. Our defence has ZERO confidence in him, and it is systematically crushing their will to excel. 

 

If lampard is forced to play kepa then sacking him is pointless because the next manager will be forced aswell.

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7 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

If lampard is forced to play kepa then sacking him is pointless because the next manager will be forced aswell.

I meant if it is not a forced (by injury) call

[The Skipper 20,593]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Does Cech fancy coming out of retirement? Has been in training with the other keepers and is younger than Caballero...

Honestly they should be considering this hard. Kepa has lost all confidence and sucks the confidence out of his backline too. 

[Laylabelle 9,351]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

football is littered with players who started out oki and then collapsed

True but for a goalie..its just basic errors..what has gone on in training cause not sure it was run off your line and think shit after. Know defence is a bit shakey also but its all of last season and its a carry on into this 

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

I meant if it is not a forced (by injury) call

If the board forces Lampard to play Kepa anyway and sack him otherwise, the next manager will the same problem

[Johnnyeye 7,440]

Get rid asap, let's just cut our losses, i never want to see this joker in goal again, it's that bad.

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8 minutes ago, Mana said:

I know Willy is a terrible keeper as well, but I would be slightly happier if he was in goal than Kepa. Kepa is the biggest flop I have ever seen now in Chelsea, worse than Torres and the like. Period.

I have never seen a player that cost us so many points in a long period as this. Never.

Feck Kepa, if Mendy is still injured for United, get a youth keeper in or get Willy back in goal. Enough is enough with this clown.

If Lampard picks him again, he's begging to be sacked and I would not shed a fecking tear if he does. This is Chelsea FC, not Lamps FC. SICK and tired of seeing this clown in goal.

Hear hear!!!

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16 minutes ago, Mana said:

If Lampard picks him again, he's begging to be sacked and I would not shed a fecking tear if he does. This is Chelsea FC, not Lamps FC. SICK and tired of seeing this clown in goal.

Yeah… yet pro football is as much of a business as it is a sport, so it's not that easy to bench most expensive player for 7 years or just terminate his contract.

Anyway, Kepa is having a terrible time, but he looked promising under Sarri. What happened and what caused it only the club knows and I guess they know better than us if it's fixable or not. We have serious problem with wasted players: Kante regressed masively, RLC looks done, CHO 50/50, Kepa gone, Rudi in the ditch. Injuries apart, there must be more complex thing to it.

Mendy's injury shouldn't be so bad as he was rumored to be back for soton, so this is it, but I hope that fans hope for Mendy will last longer, than until his first mistake…

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12 minutes ago, Mana said:

Honestly, I personally do not believe the board is forcing Lamps to use Kepa. If the board is forcing Lamps hand to make it work with Kepa, we wouldn't have gotten Mendy in the first place.

Maybe so, maybe no – it's a real pickle for the board, no doubt. Yes, they are more sport-oriented than money-oriented than a lot of big clubs owners, but it's hard to believe they will say yeah, he's no good, s**t happens, let's have a 140-million janitor at cobham or make him a mascot at the Bridge. Mendy is improptu solution to save our butt, but ghosting Kepa will make selling him even more difficult (yet fielding him doesn't make him too good publicity too) and putting him in loan army will allow only to recoup a little percent of money spent, if any. With his salary especially. So I guess the best solution is try to fix him, even if it takes time, but I didn't hear of coming any reasonable GK coach to the club and what if Lollichon is taking part in training I'm not sure.

Mendy move is actually interesting, because he is clearly more of a prospect / nr 2 / temporary solution, than Kepa replacement. If board had lost all faith in Kepa, I think we'd get a class keeper. Oblak was hard to get, but possible after all.

On the other hand, with all sympathy, Willy is spent – apart from what some here advocate, we concede no less with him, maybe without tv-worth flops, but still. Age is a b**tch and it was no different for Cech in his last years in Arsenal. And of youth squad, I think Bułka was levels above the rest and how good he is we can see, so it looks like we have bit random Mendy under huge pressure, broken Kepa and then nothing in terms of GK. 

[Johnnyeye 7,440]

27 minutes ago, Mana said:

I know Willy is a terrible keeper as well, but I would be slightly happier if he was in goal than Kepa. Kepa is the biggest flop I have ever seen now in Chelsea, worse than Torres and the like. Period.

I have never seen a player that cost us so many points in a long period as this. Never.

Feck Kepa, if Mendy is still injured for United, get a youth keeper in or get Willy back in goal. Enough is enough with this clown.

If Lampard picks him again, he's begging to be sacked and I would not shed a fecking tear if he does. This is Chelsea FC, not Lamps FC. SICK and tired of seeing this clown in goal.

It's really sad to see how badly we have regressed in the GK department, not long ago we had top GKs and it was a position we didnt need to worry too much, but now oh dear. This is all on the board and those shit buys in recent years, eventough this last summer they outdid themselves, the damage is done.

[lucio 5,418]

7 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Maybe so, maybe no – it's a real pickle for the board, no doubt. Yes, they are more sport-oriented than money-oriented than a lot of big clubs owners, but it's hard to believe they will say yeah, he's no good, s**t happens, let's have a 140-million janitor at cobham or make him a mascot at the Bridge. Mendy is improptu solution to save our butt, but ghosting Kepa will make selling him even more difficult (yet fielding him doesn't make him too good publicity too) and putting him in loan army will allow only to recoup a little percent of money spent, if any. With his salary especially. So I guess the best solution is try to fix him, even if it takes time, but I didn't hear of coming any reasonable GK coach to the club and what if Lollichon is taking part in training I'm not sure.

Mendy move is actually interesting, because he is clearly more of a prospect / nr 2 / temporary solution, than Kepa replacement. If board had lost all faith in Kepa, I think we'd get a class keeper. Oblak was hard to get, but possible after all.

On the other hand, with all sympathy, Willy is spent – apart from what some here advocate, we concede no less with him, maybe without tv-worth flops, but still. Age is a b**tch and it was no different for Cech in his last years in Arsenal. And of youth squad, I think Bułka was levels above the rest and how good he is we can see, so it looks like we have bit random Mendy under huge pressure, broken Kepa and then nothing in terms of GK. 

True , if bulka had stayed here , he would have gotten some time most likely, how hes playing for some segunda team because it's hard to find a club who needs a loan GK for 1st choice 

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17 hours ago, Laylabelle said:

True but for a goalie..its just basic errors..what has gone on in training cause not sure it was run off your line and think shit after. Know defence is a bit shakey also but its all of last season and its a carry on into this 

It seems mental with Kepa. My wife is a damn good biathlete. One of her best friends (long before she met me) was even better than her, and despite the fact she was 2 years younger than wifey, she almost always beat her. at teen level. The girl was considered to be one of the two or three best chances to be the next Swedish superstar biathlete. One of those 3, Hanna Öberg, went on to win a an Olympic gold in 2018 in the 15km individual. But, 5, 6 or so years ago, the girl I am talking about all of suddenly lost her shooting accuracy, completely out of the blue. No physical reason, she just spiralled down. They think it was a mental block, but she has never recovered back to world class level, likely never will. Shit happens.

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27 minutes ago, lucio said:

True , if bulka had stayed here , he would have gotten some time most likely, how hes playing for some segunda team because it's hard to find a club who needs a loan GK for 1st choice 

Bulka was poor in both games I watched him play for PSG, one a pre-season friendly, and then he let in the game winning goal versus Lens via a massive howler of a pass

see this video,

go to 2 minutes in

 

[Laylabelle 9,351]

Just a shame we paid so much for him...and be lucky to get half of it back. Not that its my money haha but still...

Move be good fresh start and all. Least he hasn't had a crowd to deal with at his worse.

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

9 minutes ago, Vesper said:

It seems mental with Kepa. My wife is a damn good biathlete. One of her best friends (long before she met me) was even better than her, and despite the fact she was 2 years younger than wifey, she almost always beat her. at teen level. The girl was considered to be one of the two or three best chances to be the next Swedish superstar biathlete. One of those 3, Hanna Öberg, went on to win a an Olympic gold in 2018 in the 15km individual. But, 5, 6 or so years ago, the girl I am talking about all of suddenly lost her shooting accuracy, completely out of the blue. No physical reason, she just spiralled down. They think it was a mental block, but she has never recovered back to world class level, likely never will. Shit happens.

I think so too. You either have it or you don't. That mental toughness that might look arrogant to some to just not be fazed by your own shortcomings and simply move on from bad mistakes.

Think Manuel Neuer.

Fall 2007 young Manuel Neuer makes his first CL away game vs a big club, vs Chelsea at the bridge. In the 4 the minute Malouda mishits a shot from 13 yards on the left that rolls into the arms of Neuer: Instead of making a routine save he lets it roll between both his arms and his legs into the goal. We completely dominate Schalke afterwards but could have scored a ton but Neuer makes a few decent saves, so we only win 2-0. Just a few years later he is the best goalkeeper in the world and is world class to this date.

4 years later Neuer, now the best goalkeeper in the world, makes his first game for Bayern vs Gladbach. in the 62nd minute a lose headers falls near bowers, neuer tells boateng to stay away, comes out to clear the ball but runs past it like a headless chicken. Bayern lose the game 1-0 and never come back from it in the league, losing all possible titles that season once more.

He has committed many more comical erros like these ones. most but surely not all early in his career.The difference to weaker keepers is he understands and analyses his errors and moves on. nothing like this has ever shot his confidence. In the interviews after these terrible mistakes you could see he just does not seem to give a fuck. He does care but he never shows it, never shows any weakness. That is why his defenders trust in him. No because he never makes mistakes, but because he never lets mistake harm his self-confidence. The belief in yourself to know that for every goal-costing mistake you make 4 match winning saves. Which he does. We do not even talk about them anymore but Neuer has made 6 match winning saves in 2 CL finals without anyone mentioniong them at great lengths bc they are just normal for him even though no other goalkeeper would have made those saves. A goalkeeper like this can make tons of mistakes never loses faith of his defenders. This gives the defenders confidence to push up higher, cos they know who will be weary off his line. It allows the defenders to drop deeper when necessary, even allow shots from distance cos they know the keeper will save them. the defenders know, even an under- or overhit pass will be no problem for the keeper, so they remain confident and dont even fuck that pass  up in the first place. Kepa is the exact opposite. He causes the whole defence to shit their pants every time the opponent launch an attack. kepa feels this and becomes even more nervous. it is a vicious cycle. It will probably only end once kepa leaves for good.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I think so too. You either have it or you don't. That mental toughness that might look arrogant to some to just not be fazed by your own shortcomings and simply move on from bad mistakes.

Think Manuel Neuer.

Fall 2007 young Manuel Neuer makes his first CL away game vs a big club, vs Chelsea at the bridge. In the 4 the minute Malouda mishits a shot from 13 yards on the left that rolls into the arms of Neuer: Instead of making a routine save he lets it roll between both his arms and his legs into the goal. We completely dominate Schalke afterwards but could have scored a ton but Neuer makes a few decent saves, so we only win 2-0. Just a few years later he is the best goalkeeper in the world and is world class to this date.

4 years later Neuer, now the best goalkeeper in the world, makes his first game for Bayern vs Gladbach. in the 62nd minute a lose headers falls near bowers, neuer tells boateng to stay away, comes out to clear the ball but runs past it like a headless chicken. Bayern lose the game 1-0 and never come back from it in the league, losing all possible titles that season once more.

He has committed many more comical erros like these ones. most but surely not all early in his career.The difference to weaker keepers is he understands and analyses his errors and moves on. nothing like this has ever shot his confidence. In the interviews after these terrible mistakes you could see he just does not seem to give a fuck. He does care but he never shows it, never shows any weakness. That is why his defenders trust in him. No because he never makes mistakes, but because he never lets mistake harm his self-confidence. The belief in yourself to know that for every goal-costing mistake you make 4 match winning saves. Which he does. We do not even talk about them anymore but Neuer has made 6 match winning saves in 2 CL finals without anyone mentioniong them at great lengths bc they are just normal for him even though no other goalkeeper would have made those saves. A goalkeeper like this can make tons of mistakes never loses faith of his defenders. This gives the defenders confidence to push up higher, cos they know who will be weary off his line. It allows the defenders to drop deeper when necessary, even allow shots from distance cos they know the keeper will save them. the defenders know, even an under- or overhit pass will be no problem for the keeper, so they remain confident and dont even fuck that pass  up in the first place. Kepa is the exact opposite. He causes the whole defence to shit their pants every time the opponent launch an attack. kepa feels this and becomes even more nervous. it is a vicious cycle. It will probably only end once kepa leaves for good.

 

 

yes, mental toughness is so key in sports

look at Jordan in basketball

zero chance ever he would crack

even if he fucked u, he had the same 'I don't give a fuck, I will just crush you next time' attitude Neuer does

Cech had it, Buffon did too,, Going further back, the ultimate 3 who had it for GKers were Peter Schmeichel, Oliver Kahn (who was basically Kepa size too, but seemed HUGE), and from ALL that I have read and watched, (and the greatest GK'er ever IMHO)  Lev Yashin. Yashin was pure intimidation in every angle, including even how he dressed, all in black. He is the polar opposite of a Kepa.

I am sure Gordon Banks, Dino Zoff and Sepp Maier had it too, and all 3 were short, especially Zoff.

[Milan 17,853]

It is as if the destiny is punishing us for having a top class GK for such a long time (Cech, Courtois from 20014 till 2018). The universe balance or whatever...