The Sarri Thread

[Pizy 18,903]

So by the end of this week we'll likely know 3 massive things: that Hazard is going, that Sarri is probably going, and whether or not we can sign any players this summer.

Even by our standards this is looking like the craziest summer ever. And honestly, none of it is looking good. We're set to appoint a manager with literally zero top level managerial experience and we're going to ask him to take control of a squad that's already nowhere near good enough to challenge and not be able to add to it. And that's before those clubs that are already better than us improve further.

Higuain and Giroud as our strikers for another whole season. Willian and Pedro starting every week again. Azpi as a RB all season again. 

White flag waved before kicking a ball.

[Tomo 21,751]

5 hours ago, Mana said:

Come on now. I’m not asking Lampard to win a trophy. Finishing top half mixing with Everton/Leicester/Wolves would be enough.

A good job at what? Transforming Alonso in to Roberto Carlos? 

If he has done well and proved he is more than capable than managing us, he should have promoted Derby for starters. He barely just about made it to the playoff finals.

Im sorry but where have you got the idea from that he "should have promoted" Derby?

Given he's gone in changed the playing style completely aswell as reduced the wage bill and the average age of the squad I'd say he's done very well maintaining their league position and then going one better in the playoffs.

Usually with such drastic changes as to what he oversaw at the club see's a massive short term fall from grace, he's done well to maintain the results.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Im sorry but where have you got the idea from that he "should have promoted" Derby?

Given he's gone in changed the playing style completely aswell as reduced the wage bill and the average age of the squad I'd say he's done very well maintaining their league position and then going one better in the playoffs.

Usually with such drastic changes as to what he oversaw at the club see's a massive short term fall from grace, he's done well to maintain the results.

That is exactly what Sarri has done here, although for a majority its not good enough or merely enough to maintain his job... so if it isnt good enough for Sarri in somes eyes why is it good enough to say about Lampard? Different clubs and different capacities but undoubtedly it will be mentioned by some regarding Lampard as a potential appointment.

Looking at Derby's season, theyve finished 6th with 1 point less than when they finished 6th last season under Gary Rowett and have a worse goal difference. Some people have said on social media it was good season, some bad, some feel because Frank Lampard is Frank Lampard and the fact they made the playoff final the seasons being looked at in a more positive note but its  fair point to argue they arent much better off than last season and considering Mount and Wilsom who contributed to 40 goals between them will not be returning its fair to say they might not.manage as well next year considering a large bulk of their squad are aging as well. This lowering the age shit is also a double ended sword, Mount, Timori and Harry Wilson, all under 23 and featured almost every week, arent actually on the books of Derby County they are loan players like aluded to above. The likes of Scott Carson, Craig Byrson, Richard Keown, Tom Huddlestone, Bradley Johnston, David Nugent, among others, all made regular amounts of apperances and are all about 30 year old or above. The only actual kid from the Derby academy Frank gave regular minutes to was Jayden Bogle, who did make a tonne of appearances for a 17/18 year old.

I get the wage cut and perhaps hes done well for them not to drop off completely but to say that he has done remarkably well is a huge overstatement I think. If he got them promoted, yes, you could say he did well but he didnt and from someone who doesnt like the playoff format of the championship as it is (finishing 4th, 5th or 6th and getting the chance to gain promotion is ridiclous) take that away would you say finishing 6th is really that good? 

I think if he manages to better that next season, without Mount, without Wilson, he will have done a pretty remarkable job because you cannot doubt how key they have been to Derby this season. The boy Wilson was a real breakthrough for them this season and can definitely play at a higher level. Mount perhaps as well, like has been mentioned Leipzig among others sniffing around but remains to be seen. Maybe Villa might fancy a punt on him next season?

[Jase 43,479]

10 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

What about Derbys spell this season where they were poor as well and dropped points? Do people honestly think Lampard would take over at get better than a 3rd place finish and 2 cup finals? Even which for a poor season with a lot of rumours regarding Sarri getting sacked, at least we got over the line... I know you dont like Sarri and many others dont but to replace him with Lampard next season would be incredibly risky and a mistake. Derby only finished 6th. Yes they got the play offs but 6th in the championship, considering the fact he spent 9m on Waghorn, signed Mount and Wilson on loan(very good calibre for the championship), has the likes of Huddlestone, Carson, Olsson guys with PL experience... you could argue the likes of Biesla or any other manager with those resources would have gotten a higher finish than 6th.

Bigger, better clubs don't experience poor spells? Man City lost something like 3 league games in 4 this past season while Liverpool blew a 7-point lead at the top (or whatever it was) by drawing 4 games in 6. Similar poor spells were also seen with Bayern, Juventus, Barcelona...

Funny you mentioned Bielsa because his teams are known to start well and then fall off the cliff, which was what happened with Leeds and look at them imploding against Derby as well...

10 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

If Sarri goes, which is looking more and more likely each day, Allegri has to be the top choice although he will have many offers. Very good record, expeirence managing big players at Juventus and AC Milan and which should be a massive appeal to this club a winner with both.

Am fine with Allegri.

As I said to Mana, having another season of Sarri would be like signing a death warrant, especially if the transfer ban sticks!

10 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

If we had any other manager than Sarri you'd disagree regarding Lamps. I also dont see Lampard coming in and playing youth regularly which people are making a case for again (Tomori and Mount maybe good enough for Derby every week but if people are under the impression theyd manage to be regulars next season, for the love of god, squad players maybe but again squad players dont necessarily feature thst often). For all Sarris faults he used Christensen, RLC and Callum this season - yes not a lot early doors but they made more appearances than most other academy products have here in god knows how long. They are at a much better level than Mount and Tomori to play. Reece James is probably more ready and more mature than those 2 to be integrated into the Chelsea squad despite playing for Wigan, who were at the other end of the table. Even Tammy has a much better chance next year.

If we can't sign anyone this summer, what makes you think we won't use our youth players a little bit more? Do you really want to see the manager flog the senior players to death again? Sarri, Lampard or whoever might be the manager can't build for the long term if they don't develop the young players. 

[gdlk 286]

Cant believe ppl want Alegri, Simeone and other park buss drivers....  Cmon football is evolving, that's why Atletico and Juve lost.. Today modern football is the atacking football!!! 

[Blue Armour 4,439]

28 minutes ago, gdlk said:

Cant believe ppl want Alegri, Simeone and other park buss drivers....  Cmon football is evolving, that's why Atletico and Juve lost.. Today modern football is the atacking football!!! 

If we go back to our pragmatic approach...smh...that was only ever good when we had intelligent players that could exploit that type of system.

[MoroccanBlue 5,381]

6 minutes ago, Mana said:

Another massive thing, the result of the EL final. Which is gives us a ticket to the Super Cup, a cup that we failed to win twice. It's really the only available trophy Chelsea hasn't won.

We have. Or were you not a fan then? 

[MoroccanBlue 5,381]

6 minutes ago, Mana said:

Dang! I missed it. No, I wasn't as then I was 8. Wasn't in to football then.

Still, I want us to win the Super Cup, as it's the only trophy I haven't seen Chelsea lift up.

Would be good to be familiar with our history. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

7 hours ago, Jason said:

Bigger, better clubs don't experience poor spells? Man City lost something like 3 league games in 4 this past season while Liverpool blew a 7-point lead at the top (or whatever it was) by drawing 4 games in 6. Similar poor spells were also seen with Bayern, Juventus, Barcelona...

Funny you mentioned Bielsa because his teams are known to start well and then fall off the cliff, which was what happened with Leeds and look at them imploding against Derby as well...

Am fine with Allegri.

As I said to Mana, having another season of Sarri would be like signing a death warrant, especially if the transfer ban sticks!

If we can't sign anyone this summer, what makes you think we won't use our youth players a little bit more? Do you really want to see the manager flog the senior players to death again? Sarri, Lampard or whoever might be the manager can't build for the long term if they don't develop the young players. 

And when we had a bad spell werent people on here not slagging Sarri off? Cant work one way for those teams and not for us... 

Biesla is a better manager in my eyes, didnt have the greatesr spells in the last few years which I am surprised about considering how well he did with Bilbao. Still shocked he hasnt got another chance at a bigger club considering how highly he is regarded. A real engima although he is a fiery character as shown as Lille and Lazio.

No manager is instantly going to come in and drop 5 older players for 5 youngsters if that is what people are expecting or hoping for. Theres too much pressure here, it must be intense for a manager where every season the club most likely expects a trophy and league finish of 3rd or above, having sacked managers for finishing 2nd as well or for winning a trophy still. Yes we have young players we need to integrate but its it will never happen here like it does at an Ajax or whoever else. Yet again a new manager opens up chances for the likes of Luiz (as proved with Sarri), Alonso, Willian, Pedro to all have another chance to impress instead of being phased out or moved on. 

[Jase 43,479]

Hardly sounds committed to staying...

[ChelseaFanUK 1,014]

Can see him going, and staying, oddly.  Im slightly leaning towards the fact he could well be off

 

No flat out denials from Juventus, Sarri or anyone else close to the supposed talks.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

14 minutes ago, Jason said:

Hardly sounds committed to staying...

Wouldnt blame him either. Or any manager.

Lets be honest clearly him and a large portion of fans arent exactly on the same page. Plus Juventus is an incredible opportunity for most managers, never mind someone who was perhaps going to lose his job 5 months ago.

Maybe 10 years ago managers wouldnt consider it compared to us but theyve grown into one of the top top 5 teams in Europe for me over the last 5 years while we have yoyo'd and are quiet honestly in a bit of a mess behind the scenes although poor recruitment has held us back too.

Juve though, great team, very good recruitment and fundamentally excellently run (which we cant exactly say happens here). If we had their footballing men in behind the scenes wed be 10 times better off, look at some of their signings in past seasons: Vidal, Pjanic, Ronaldo, Dybala, Costa, Alex Sandro, Matiudi, Joao Cancelo, Higuain, Bentacur, Pirlo, Bernardeschi, Pogba, Morata, Coman, Tevez. High calibre, hugely successful and other than Ronaldo and Higuain who cost like 80m and upwards the rest werent exactly huge massive fees. Having that sort of shrewd footballing people involved with the club is a massive massibe plus to any manager at any club.

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Wouldnt blame him either. Or any manager.

Lets be honest clearly him and a large portion of fans arent exactly on the same page. Plus Juventus is an incredible opportunity for most managers, never mind someone who was perhaps going to lose his job 5 months ago.

Maybe 10 years ago managers wouldnt consider it compared to us but theyve grown into one of the top top 5 teams in Europe for me over the last 5 years while we have yoyo'd and are quiet honestly in a bit of a mess behind the scenes although poor recruitment has held us back too.

Juve though, great team, very good recruitment and fundamentally excellently run (which we cant exactly say happens here). If we had their footballing men in behind the scenes wed be 10 times better off, look at some of their signings in past seasons: Vidal, Pjanic, Ronaldo, Dybala, Costa, Alex Sandro, Matiudi, Joao Cancelo, Higuain, Bentacur, Pirlo, Bernardeschi, Pogba, Morata, Coman, Tevez. High calibre, hugely successful and other than Ronaldo and Higuain who cost like 80m and upwards the rest werent exactly huge massive fees. Having that sort of shrewd footballing people involved with the club is a massive massibe plus to any manager at any club.

Yeah, imagine Sarri putting Ronaldo out wide in his inflexible 4-3-3...

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

15 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yeah, imagine Sarri putting Ronaldo out wide in his inflexible 4-3-3...

Haha yeah imagine. Think he will be the main man up top for them regardless of who takes charge. 

[Fernando 6,585]

Last time we went to the EL final we had a manager the fans did not like. 

Then we appoint a manager the fans liked and that turn out horrible. 

Could history repeat itself again? 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

45 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Last time we went to the EL final we had a manager the fans did not like. 

Then we appoint a manager the fans liked and that turn out horrible. 

Could history repeat itself again? 

It was a big success no doubt. Very close to winning the title in 13-14.....won it convincingly in 14-15, yeah the Wheels came off in 15-16 but any Club in Eng would take that any day all day, and we won the CC. Overall awesome in my book.

[BigMabz 61]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1133116/Arsenal-Transfer-News-Premier-League-Andre-Gomes-Unai-Emery-Europa-League-Chelsea-Latest

 

Whats this nobhead Sarri doing now? Im sorry, but thats not the message to send to light a fire up our arses. Walking off the pitch. Kicking a hat. 

Not sure how to read into this. Is it pure frustration because this group of players wont listen and buy in. Or is this the culture that Sarri is building? Either way it seems distressing 24 hours before a big game. The Gunners are probably licking their chops at this point. 

As a former professional athlete myself, I understand what its like to go against the same players day-in day-out for a full season. Impossible to think that bust ups wont happen. Lets hope its nothing and just tired minds and bodies after a long season getting frustrated with going up against each other every day. 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

Any manager worth his salt would surely deal with that situation instead of throwing and kicking his cap multiple times and walking off leaving his players.

We may lack leaders in the team but the biggest issue is that we have no real leader managing us. 

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Haha yeah imagine. Think he will be the main man up top for them regardless of who takes charge. 

Chances are he'll put Ronaldo out wide and play Higuain as the striker.

[1905didierblue 748]

16 hours ago, Jason said:

Chances are he'll put Ronaldo out wide and play Higuain as the striker.

Seems the most sarri-ish thing to do. Hopefully he buys kovacic when he goes to Juve.