Jump to content
Join Talk Chelsea and join in with the discussions! Click Here

Virgil Van Dijk


dkim2
 Share
Followers 3

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 753
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

They went for one of the most sort after players in Europe. Paying big bucks for Sandro is one thing, but when on earth did VVD fall under that bracket?
In addition, Everton are spending Lukaku's incoming payment early and Liverpool spent around £70m combined for Mane & Salah (not crazy IMO).


The nature of the business. Defenders are scarce these days, Southampton don't have to sell and know how much money Chelsea (and most premier league teams) can realistically pay.

I think if you look at the current market (very few Defenders) 60m, though high, is what the market is dictating. Same can be said for strikers. Aubameyang is not a £63m striker but in this limited market you can see why Dortmund are asking for that.

Bottom line is market dictates price and Chelsea have way too much to worry about valuation
Link to post
Share on other sites
We all know why Stones, Sterling cost as much as they did. I seriously don't believe he's improved massively from his Celtic days to justify such a fee and he isn't HG.
I'd much prefer us to spend half of that on someone like Laporte. Technically superior, younger and has more potential. We don't have to give in to such demands when we aren't desperate.
No clubs outside of England will even look twice at VVD for that price. 


He didn't have to improve massively from his Celtic days he's was really good then. The fee has gone up significantly because he is doing the exact same thing in a much stronger league.

Laporte isn't a boss he's what we have in Christensen. Virgil is a stopper who is good on the ball.
Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, Pizy said:

VVD, Bakayoko, Alex Sandro, and Lukaku. That would be one hell of a summer. Cherry on top of the cake if we signed anyone else.

As much as those signings strengthen our squad and I don't want to sound greedy here but we really still need to add a right wing back, creative midfielder and another attacking player upfront.

Plus, is the strike duo of Lukaku and Batshuayi really enough to challenge on 4 fronts?

Link to post
Share on other sites

city spent £92m on stones and mangala, and didnt get a single decent cb for that money. This would be horribly expensive, but im more worried about christensen than VVD not being good enough

Link to post
Share on other sites

While I understand why some people are against this transfer, I think it is great. 

We have lost Terry and Ivanovic going into this season. There are serious doubts when/if Zouma will reach his previous heights, and the level of Cahill is a topic of eternal debate. 
In other words, Azpilicueta and Luiz are the safest options we have as CB's (Christensen havent played for us regularly yet), and Cesar might see some playtime as RWB. 
For a team playing in four different competitions and wanting to compete in all of them, having two (potentially three) class CB's is just asking for trouble. Even with Christensen coming back, I really think we need to get a really good CB both for internal competition, but also for squad width. 

Is VVD worth £60m? There is no good answer to this as there are no "true" values to a player. They are worth as much as a club is willing to pay them. 
We did offer similar amounts for Bonucci and Koulibaly though, and a quick comparison on WhoScored shows that VVD was better than those two in almost every category (they were the superior passers). He is also the youngest, and is already established in the league. Honestly, barring any problems following his injury, I see it as a very intelligent purchase from Chelsea. He could be a world class CB for 7-8 seasons, and if Christensen does well they could pair up for the foreseeable future. 

Honestly, this window is looking impressive. The question whether we get our targets remain, but Lukaku, Bakayoko, Sandro and VVD would all be huge statement purchases. Also, it puts us in such a good position for future windows, being able to purchase fewer players but with better quality. I am not 100% about Lukaku, but I believe he can still develop under the right guidance. I would prefer a Lewandowski every day of the week, but I just dont see it as realistic. 

                                            Lukaku/Bats
                             Hazard/?                     Pedro/Willian

                                Bakayoko/Matic   Kante/Fabregas
             Sandro/Alonso                                    Moses/Azpilicueta
 
                                       VVD Luiz Christensen/Cahill

                                        Courtois/Caballero

This the lineup based on what we basically know as a fact are our targets for this window. We have also heard reports about Mahrez. It is very, very strong and allows us to for example next summer go big on RWB, RW and possibly a Tolisso-type CM.  



 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Solid, modern, ball playing centre back, tall and athletic, maybe the reported amount a tad high for what we're used to, but frankly we can't penny pinch anymore for all the Rudigers and Cahills out there. It's a transfer window where transfer amounts should be of no interest for us the fans, thankfully there is a lot of money at the club coming from players sale, sponsorships etc.

We're coming of a title winning campaign and have a proven manager in charge. We can attract players and learn from the mistakes of the past (summer of 15/16).

At the same time I truly wish Conte would give Christensen a chance because had he not been Chelsea's player I bet we'd be quoted everyday with 40m+ bids for him. 

My ideal back line for next season would be Alex Sandro - van Dijk David Luiz Christensen - Azpilicueta. 

Three modern centre backs that are all comfortable with the ball at their feet and can build from the back and two quality full backs, one is some of the best left full backs in the world and another is probably the most consistent defender for the past seasons in England. Azpilicueta maybe not the best going forward, but he can work on that given his nature and attitude, to always work hard and improve. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
48 minutes ago, Rekin said:

While I understand why some people are against this transfer, I think it is great. 

We have lost Terry and Ivanovic going into this season. There are serious doubts when/if Zouma will reach his previous heights, and the level of Cahill is a topic of eternal debate. 
In other words, Azpilicueta and Luiz are the safest options we have as CB's (Christensen havent played for us regularly yet), and Cesar might see some playtime as RWB. 
For a team playing in four different competitions and wanting to compete in all of them, having two (potentially three) class CB's is just asking for trouble. Even with Christensen coming back, I really think we need to get a really good CB both for internal competition, but also for squad width. 

Is VVD worth £60m? There is no good answer to this as there are no "true" values to a player. They are worth as much as a club is willing to pay them. 
We did offer similar amounts for Bonucci and Koulibaly though, and a quick comparison on WhoScored shows that VVD was better than those two in almost every category (they were the superior passers). He is also the youngest, and is already established in the league. Honestly, barring any problems following his injury, I see it as a very intelligent purchase from Chelsea. He could be a world class CB for 7-8 seasons, and if Christensen does well they could pair up for the foreseeable future. 

Honestly, this window is looking impressive. The question whether we get our targets remain, but Lukaku, Bakayoko, Sandro and VVD would all be huge statement purchases. Also, it puts us in such a good position for future windows, being able to purchase fewer players but with better quality. I am not 100% about Lukaku, but I believe he can still develop under the right guidance. I would prefer a Lewandowski every day of the week, but I just dont see it as realistic. 

                                            Lukaku/Bats
                             Hazard/?                     Pedro/Willian

                                Bakayoko/Matic   Kante/Fabregas
             Sandro/Alonso                                    Moses/Azpilicueta
 
                                       VVD Luiz Christensen/Cahill

                                        Courtois/Caballero

This the lineup based on what we basically know as a fact are our targets for this window. We have also heard reports about Mahrez. It is very, very strong and allows us to for example next summer go big on RWB, RW and possibly a Tolisso-type CM.  



 

Ive been against going after a CB all summer with our 3 young capable CB's we've already got. Judging by our reported interest in VVD/bonucci with a lack of interest in any RB i can only assume the plan is for Dave to get pushed to the right.

My Squad for next year:

                                Lukaku/Bats

Hazard/Willian                                  Pedro/*

                Bakayoko/chalobah   Kante/Cesc

Sandro/Alonso                                         Moses/Dave

             New CB/Ake  Luiz  Christensen/Cahill

                        Tibo/New backup GK

 

Costa to leave, possibly Matic, mostly average consistent performance with the odd magical goal but would like something else. 

Id like Baker and Musonda to chip into the squad too this season, with meaningful Prem loans for RLC and Zouma

 

* Id love a new top winger/ attacking player up there technically with Eden and Cesc (Sanchez, James, Isco)

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 10/06/2017 at 2:01 PM, BluesMadLad said:

Only in football there is a stupid rule that a manager can not talk to a player before hand its ridiculous if I was going to spend 50+ mill on a CB I'd want to have a bloody conversation with the guy as well 

The rule doesn't prevent managers doing that before completing the deal. It only prevents them doing it before they have the selling club's agreement.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Honestly, I love Bonucci he is my favourite defender in the world. But VVD is a physical monster, comfortable playing LCB, a goal threat, and much younger. He is good with the ball and comfortable in the prem(not a huge deal, but still counts) and most importantly he slides into a position on our team perfectly which we all agree needed upgrading.

The price is high, but that can be said about most transfers in todays game, plus its not my money so i am taking the Man United/Man City approach in that if the club wants to pay it doesn't affect me, ill just be happy seeing him on our team! (if he does indeed come)

I read somewhere that Conte wants 2 options per position, with VVD we solidify that LCB between he and Cahill. He also can play RCB if we need. I will be more than happy if we close the deal.

Eden Hazard is the big winner this summer, he went from Alonso/Matic/Cahill to possibly Sandro/Bakayoko/Van Dijk. That is an upgrade across the board and shows intent to go for serious trophies

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Jase locked this topic
  • Jase unlocked this topic

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...