BlueLyon 9,359 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 If we get new CB, then either we will play with 4 defenders or Azpi is moving to WB role. I just cant see why would Conte buy new LB and at same time think Moses is good enough. Unless we are doing something the media doesnt know. I just wonder if Azpi can play that WB role. He is not as fast or realy technical. He is perfect for 3 man defence tho and good enough to be FB, but he will need to improve in attack because if not, our left side will be much stronger and every opposition will throw more defenders to focus on Eden and Sandro (hopefuly), since Azpi and Pedro? wont be as deadly. Getting Eden a proper FB partner seems to be completed soon, but we will need quality players elsewhere because we are too dependant on Eden (and Costa when he was on form, but he is leaving) and they can just mark him out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
manpe 10,565 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 56 minutes ago, BlueLyon said: If we get new CB, then either we will play with 4 defenders or Azpi is moving to WB role. I just cant see why would Conte buy new LB and at same time think Moses is good enough. Unless we are doing something the media doesnt know. I just wonder if Azpi can play that WB role. He is not as fast or realy technical. He is perfect for 3 man defence tho and good enough to be FB, but he will need to improve in attack because if not, our left side will be much stronger and every opposition will throw more defenders to focus on Eden and Sandro (hopefuly), since Azpi and Pedro? wont be as deadly. Getting Eden a proper FB partner seems to be completed soon, but we will need quality players elsewhere because we are too dependant on Eden (and Costa when he was on form, but he is leaving) and they can just mark him out. I wonder where this myth comes from that Azpi isn't good offensively? Yes, he isn't an aggressive attacker, but he is smart and most of the times makes the right decisions, even if it's something simple. He isn't penetrative, but he's effective for the team in possession. Moses on the other hand is aggressive and fast, but pretty dumb. It gives us balance on the two flanks. I would rather play Azpi at RWB over Moses anyway, but we had no other choice in central defence. With Christensen returning and Van Dijk reportedly coming in, we will now have that choice and Moses will have rightfully earned himself a place as a squad player in a Champions League level team, something I'm sure he would be happy with. I was under no illusions that Moses would stay a starter for a team that wants to challenge beyond domestic glory, and Azpi is just too good to be dropped for anyone. Also, if we want to eliminate our weakness from crosses, then Azpi can't stay a CB imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, manpe said: I wonder where this myth comes from that Azpi isn't good offensively? Yes, he isn't an aggressive attacker, but he is smart and most of the times makes the right decisions, even if it's something simple. He isn't penetrative, but he's effective for the team in possession. Moses on the other hand is aggressive and fast, but pretty dumb. It gives us balance on the two flanks. I would rather play Azpi at RWB over Moses anyway, but we had no other choice in central defence. With Christensen returning and Van Dijk reportedly coming in, we will now have that choice and Moses will have rightfully earned himself a place as a squad player in a Champions League level team, something I'm sure he would be happy with. I was under no illusions that Moses would stay a starter for a team that wants to challenge beyond domestic glory, and Azpi is just too good to be dropped for anyone. Also, if we want to eliminate our weakness from crosses, then Azpi can't stay a CB imo. To be wingback and to own that role for a longer time, Im pretty sure you need to be Marcelo, Sandro, Alaba, Alves level in attack. They provide width, crosses, take on players. Basicaly they have to be wingers. Azpi is very intelligent, great worker, brilliant defender too, and I dont think he is poor in offense, but neither great. Solid. But I wonder if that will be enough longterm. Alonso was fine, but at the end of the day, there is plenty of improvement. He is worse defensively than Azpi, but IMO better in attack. Maybe Azpi can play this role well due to his determination and character, but we will see if he can run quickly up and down whole game and provide attacking threat on consistent basis. When he was LB, he did quite well with Eden, but now he will need to do alot more. Its true he will be playing on his stronger side now. I would never bench Azpi, but there is valid question if he can make rwb role his own, because althrough he has been brilliant as RCB, we conceded plenty goals from crosses (that was half Moses fault too) and maybe Conte wants more stability. IMO if we solve other problems; if we get some creativity from midfield, a quality RW, then Azpi can probably play RWB just fine, he is valuable asset. But atm, with Pedro, and what seems with Kante and Bakayoko in midfield, there will be much desired from wingback in dribbling, creating, crossing and linkup. We will see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dimitr 488 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Who is he?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
manpe 10,565 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 10 minutes ago, Dimitr said: Who is he?? According to that he works for Sync Sports Group based in London, that is a collective of registered FA intermediaries, sport consultants & highly skilled recruitment personnel. http://syncsportsgroup.com/ Make of it what you will, I haven't heard of them before and their website isn't even finished yet and joined Twitter on September 2016, so they must be new. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChelseaFanUK 993 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Funny how all the Pool fans suddenly have itk info that we haven't bid. They're panicking incase it's true and attempting to convince themselves that we wont get him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dimitr 488 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 So nothing new . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChelseaFanUK 993 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 FWIW, i cant see any scenario where soton will sell to Lpool. I just dont see how they can sell him to pool without a fan revolt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
manpe 10,565 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Didn't Liverpool officially declare their interest in him over? Yet they're still trying to do something? What a spineless bunch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChelseaFanUK 993 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, manpe said: Didn't Liverpool officially declare their interest in him over? Yet they're still trying to do something? What a spineless bunch. Thats one of the reasons i find it funny their fans still claim they'll sign him. There's no wiggle room now, bridges burnt completely Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccg 1,528 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 latest odds Virgil Van Dijk Loan deals do count Liverpool 5/6 Chelsea 5/4 Manchester City 20/1 Arsenal 25/1 Manchester Utd 28/1 Everton 33/1 To Stay at Southampton (Does not include returning on loan following a permanent deal elsewhere) 5/1 looks like 2 horse race?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Artandur 748 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 32 minutes ago, mccg said: latest odds Virgil Van Dijk Loan deals do count Liverpool 5/6 Chelsea 5/4 Manchester City 20/1 Arsenal 25/1 Manchester Utd 28/1 Everton 33/1 To Stay at Southampton (Does not include returning on loan following a permanent deal elsewhere) 5/1 looks like 2 horse race?! doubt he'll go to liverpool this summer, after they had to officially apologize Quote Link to post Share on other sites
xPetrCechx 13,323 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 #ChampionsDaily 🏆 @CarefreeDaily 37m37 minutes ago More No surprise to me that Chelsea want Bakayoko & Sandro wrapped up before July 1st. Next up: van Dijk. #JulyFireworks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dahnald 256 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 1 hour ago, xPetrCechx said: #ChampionsDaily 🏆 @CarefreeDaily 37m37 minutes ago More No surprise to me that Chelsea want Bakayoko & Sandro wrapped up before July 1st. Next up: van Dijk. #JulyFireworks That guy is unreliable as fuck and is merely quoting others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChelseaFanUK 993 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 4 hours ago, mccg said: latest odds Virgil Van Dijk Loan deals do count Liverpool 5/6 Chelsea 5/4 Manchester City 20/1 Arsenal 25/1 Manchester Utd 28/1 Everton 33/1 To Stay at Southampton (Does not include returning on loan following a permanent deal elsewhere) 5/1 looks like 2 horse race?! odds mean nothing. If i bet enough, i could make west ham favourites Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccg 1,528 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 1 hour ago, ChelseaFanUK said: odds mean nothing. If i bet enough, i could make west ham favourites Ok bet enough to make west ham favourites then big man with big mouth!(tell me when so i can lump on or lay those odds lol) These markets are only a guide,as others i posted ,and just abit of fun just like the media has everyday with transfers etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChelseaFanUK 993 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 27 minutes ago, mccg said: Ok bet enough to make west ham favourites then big man with big mouth!(tell me when so i can lump on or lay those odds lol) These markets are only a guide,as others i posted ,and just abit of fun just like the media has everyday with transfers etc. no ta, it'd take a lot to make them faves. point was, odds mean shite Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mccg 1,528 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 1 hour ago, ChelseaFanUK said: no ta, it'd take a lot to make them faves. point was, odds mean shite You must be some sort of a kinda simpleton or hypocrite ? if you do not know anything about the odds of Van Dijk joining CFC me thinks , ie the odds for him joining CFC have tumbled and would take £££££ far more than afew ££££ West Ham odds blah blah blah , but point is not to point no point Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superblue_1986 4,697 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 If our goal is to become competitive in Europe and make a push there then for me Bonucci is hands down the man to go for over VVD. I can understand the age factor, etc but he is arguably the best centre back in the world, certainly when it comes to being accustomed to playing in a 3 man defence. Get another couple of years of him in his prime may be the difference between us winning another Champions League or not. VVD isn't going to give us the added edge of big game and european experience. I just feel for the price it should be a guaranteed world star centre back we'd be buying and I'm not sure if VVD is there yet. We'd be better off sticking with what we have, bring Christensen back and keep one of Ake or Zouma in the squad. Spend that sort of money elsewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
xPetrCechx 13,323 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Tiemoue Bakayoko is due in England in the next 48 hours, while Antonio Conte will step up his interest in Virgil van Dijk. [Mirror] After they land Alex Sandro and Bakayoko, #Chelsea will turn their attention to Van Dijk - by testing Southampton with a £60m bid. [Mirror] Southampton insist that with Van Dijk still having five years left on his deal, it could take an offer in excess of £70million. [Mirror] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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