John Terry

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

59 minutes ago, Kieran. said:

WTF? What has the board done for us except be absolute shit recently? What has John done for us except give us his all for over 20 fucking years?

 

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

@peace you post rare long articulate essays, that ocassionally hit the mark, this one is spectacularly way off.

Its the anti Chelsea bile from a T*ttenham fanzine, its the bitter ramblings of a trophy hungry Arsenal teenager in his bedroom, its a hateful jealous diatribe from a liverpool fan masturbating in a toilet. a post that can only reiterate the half truths from tabloid papers regarding the private life of the greatest player ever to play for Chelsea, the team you purport to support - tell us that you copied from a rival forum, and its a wind up, a sick joke.

 

2 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

 

 

Think you're all missing the point. The board simply doesn't owe John Terry a new contract. They aren't obligated in any way to give John Terry a new contract.

John Terry has shown loyalty to us by staying, yes but the club has also shown loyalty to him by sticking with him through let's call them "unfortunate situations" ( the ones that Peace mentioned). 

Not to mention he's been paid quite well over the years here. Would he have shown the same type of loyalty to us if Roman didn't buy the club which allowed us to give him his £150 000 a week and made us a team that challenged for the biggest prizes ?

Probably not but  that's okay. Big players go to clubs (or stay at them) that pay well and challenge for prizes. So don't go acting like Terry was doing us some sort of favour by sticking around here. We simply never gave him any reason to look elsewhere.

It's perfectly fine to want Terry to stay and to be sad about him potentially leaving the club after his long time here (no doubt, he has been great for us) but acting as if it's such a disgrace, such an outrage that we aren't offering him a contract without knowing if the next manager wants him around is ridiculous and way over the top.

[Leif 6,006]

6 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

 

 

 

Think you're all missing the point. The board simply doesn't owe John Terry a new contract. They aren't obligated in any way to give John Terry a new contract.

John Terry has shown loyalty to us by staying, yes but the club has also shown loyalty to him by sticking with him through let's call them "unfortunate situations" ( the ones that Peace mentioned). 

Not to mention he's been paid quite well over the years here. Would he have shown the same type of loyalty to us if Roman didn't buy the club which allowed us to give him his £150 000 a week and made us a team that challenged for the biggest prizes ?

Probably not but  that's okay. Big players go to clubs (or stay at them) that pay well and challenge for prizes. So don't go acting like Terry was doing us some sort of favour by sticking around here. We simply never gave him any reason to look elsewhere.

It's perfectly fine to want Terry to stay and to be sad about him potentially leaving the club after his long time here (no doubt, he has been great for us) but acting as if it's such a disgrace, such an outrage that we aren't offering him a contract without knowing if the next manager wants him around is ridiculous and way over the top.

But it becomes an outrage when it sinks in that Ivanovic, who is half the player, got offered a new contract. How does that add up. How is there not basic outrage at the fact we're happy to let our best defender walk? What top club does that?

Milan, who are now bang average. We are run like Milan. :|

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

I can only imagine what would happen in Rome if a similar situation would take place between the club and Totti, or back then between Milan and Maldini.  Riots would be putting it lightly.

 

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

Just now, Leif said:

But it becomes an outrage when it sinks in that Ivanovic, who is half the player, got offered a new contract. How does that add up. How is there not basic outrage at the fact we're happy to let our best defender walk? What top club does that?

Milan, who are now bang average. We are run like Milan. :|

Trust me i'm not happy with Ivanovic getting a new contract and would have preferred if we let him go at the end of the season and simply moved Azpi to the right and brought in a young rb to be his understudy.

But if the manager doesn't want Ivanovic we can still sell him. That's the difference, Ivanovic still has value on the transfer market. John Terry, at 35, simply doesn't. 

"Our best defender"  Suppose that depends how you look at it. With the way we are currently playing, ( fullbacks pushing high up, high line, fluid midfield.) our central defenders are frequently left exposed. Zouma for me is the better defender under those conditions.

Where exactly Terry fits in will depend greatly on what type of system we'll use next season. Which i think is why the club is waiting to see who will be our manager next season.

Again i think it's a sensible thing to do.

  

[Spike 12,049]

5 hours ago, Peace. said:

I see a lot of people suggesting this is disgraceful of the Board to not renew Terry's contract and yadi yada... But I also see that these very same people have a very short — conveniently ? — memories.

 

Terry Senior was caught dealing cocaine ; Mrs Terry Senior was caught stealing clothes ; Terry Junior was allegedly caught facilitating tours of Cobham in a shady way ; Terry Junior was caught cheating his wife with the ex-wife of his ex-teammate ; Terry Junior was caught saying nasty racist things on the pitch ; etc, etc... Some might be false and some others might be blown out of proportions. Nonetheless, all these scandals — and more particularly the Bridge-gate and the Ferdinand-gate  — have been heavily used to indirectly attack our club and to try to derail many of our seasons. What did the club do ? They have backed him, all these years. I can assure you that anybody of you would be fired of your job on the spot if you were to be accused of racism — to be accused of racism today is like to be accused of paganism and witchcraft in Spain during the Inquisition or to be accused of being a Shia in Daesh's caliphate. Yet the club have backed him while it would have been so easy — especially because Benitez relegated him to the bench — to sack him like an old rag — and the whole football world would have congratulated Chelsea for doing so. And on top of that, that is the player that fucked up the penalty that would have won us our first Champions League ; and he let us down in the semi-final of the Champions League in 2012 — and consequently the final — by getting a stupid red card. It is highly likely that most of the club — at the exception of Liverpool, if you know what I mean — would have got rid of this problem of a player... Yet, during all those scandals, all those affairs, all those problematic moments... Chelsea has always backed their Captain while it would have been easier at several occasions to sell him than to back him up.

 

And now, despite all of that, some people have the sheer arrogance to accuse the board of being disrespectful ?? All of you, instead of playing your outraged virgins, you should be grateful toward this 'classless' and 'disrespectful' Board — because had not it been for this 'scum' of a Board, you lot would not have been able to watch your 'Captain, Leader, Legend' — he would not have stayed long enough to be called so anyway — for this past five years or so. Just keep that in mind... Ah, this whole 'who's the more outraged of us' contest is truly cringeworthy and pathetic, and is really becoming unbearable...

Great perspective. An interesting take that other clubs would have dropped him for his faults. There have been a lot of good times and a lot of bad times for Terry but the club and the man himself have done well to stick together. Other players have been booted out of clubs for less. It's good that the board obviously viewed the good and what he brings to the club and team as far more important than the bad and didn't buy into the global pressure of Terry's poor PR.  I've yet to see a player replicate the near universal hatred as Terry, boy does he have his detractors. Both the club and the man have shown loyalty to each other...until now. 

It's the end of an era. No need to be upset about it. These things happen in life and I look forward to seeing what will happen in the future. I won't be mad, nor pessimistic of the future. If the club's hierarchy wants to press on with a new philosophy than good for them, I can't wait to see what the club is reinvented as.

[Peace. 4,352]

2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

@peace you post rare long articulate essays, that ocassionally hit the mark, this one is spectacularly way off.

Its the anti Chelsea bile from a T*ttenham fanzine, its the bitter ramblings of a trophy hungry Arsenal teenager in his bedroom, its a hateful jealous diatribe from a liverpool fan masturbating in a toilet. a post that can only reiterate the half truths from tabloid papers regarding the private life of the greatest player ever to play for Chelsea, the team you purport to support - tell us that you copied from a rival forum, and its a wind up, a sick joke.

 

FB, did you read my post or did you read what you wanted to read ? In my previous comment, there is no anti-Chelsea, no anti-Board, no anti-Terry, no anti-nothing, really. No, actually there is a 'anti-something' ! And this is directed against 90% of the members of this forum who, while having absolutely no clue of what might going on in the board, have skipped the step 'think before you talk' to let the free reign to their emotions and who rue themselves to be the most outraged of the outraged virgins.

Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry's dad and his cocaine deal ? Yes, fact.
Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry's mother and mother-in-law stealing clothes ? Yes, fact.
Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry cheating his wife with his ex-teammate's ex-wife ? Yes, fact.
Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry's saying racist stuff ? Did Terry was stripped of his England captaincy because of that, and did he was banned and fined by the FA ? Did Terry had to go to a civil court because of that ? Yes, fact.

I am so, sooooo so sorry if the things I aforementioned are not of your liking, but I did not write those articles no did I banned him and bring him before a court. In my previous post, while listing all those facts, I delivered absolutely no  judgment of value neither about the club nor about Terry... And the most important of all, did I say that what he allegedly done was true or not true ? No, no and no. And anyway, who gives a damn if it is true or not, at the exception of you lot ? Media and other teams' supporters do not give a damn about the veracity of those allegations — it paints Terry as a bad guy and eventually Chelsea as a disgusting club, that is enough for them.

Did all these scandals brought bad publicity to the club, did they pictured Chelsea as classless ? Were all these moments easy for the Club to handle ? It must be very difficult for a club to handle situations where its 'Captain, Leader, Legend' is being painted as a racist and an infidel husband whose mum steals clothes and whose dad sells cocaine.. don't you think ? And as you live in Europe, you should know that publicly accusing a public figure of racism is the perfect way to ruin his career — once you are labelled as racist, you are finished.

To conclude, what did I say in my previous comment ? This is pretty trivial. If the club wanted to disrespectfully get rid of John Terry like an old rag, they would have done it way before as they had several occasion to do so. And the best occasion would have been during the Ferdinand-gate. Why ? Because : 1) Benitez had already benched Terry and to sell a bench player is easier than to sell the captain of the starting eleven 2) Consequently, Benitez would have taken the most part of the blames and insults from the fans 3) Cech, Lampard and Cole were still around ; selling a legend while there are three remainings is easier to get rid of your last legend 4) they would have had the 'anti-racism' shield and would likely have been applauded by the football world to have taken action against racism.

But they did not got rid of him. Terry had been at several occasions at the center of various scandals and he mechanically dragged the Club into all this mess. Yet they backed him up during all these difficult times ; no armband stripped, no status degraded, no fine given and not even bench-time given ! Do you think this is disrespectful from the Club to have acted as such ? Chelsea FC have backed one of their employees during difficult times, they have supported him — is this not a class act ?

All I wanted to do was to point out that, even though all these knights of the Holy Virginity might bawl and shout all they want about how classless and disrespectful Chelsea is, if one thinks a few seconds (I won't dare to ask a few minutes) and analyze the relationship between Terry and the Club over the years, then one would notice that there is a lot of professionality, maturity and class between Terry and the Club and vice-versa — and thus those accusations of 'disrespect' would appear to be out of place.

But maybe that it is me who is out of place after all. Since Mourinho has fallen, this forum does not take kindly to common sense and well argumented debates. And I probably should leave the lot of you in your world of fantasies where Emenalo and the Board's members are irrevocably bad persons that do all those disrespectful stuff only to be mean toward innocent Chelsea fans and are the sole reason for which we are such in a dire situation and the sole reason for which our almighty best manager has been sacked.

That being said, it still baffles me that I have to go in length to explain a post that was apparently well enough written for a few people to understand — or maybe they actually read my post — while the vast majority of the members of this forum are having a field day for two months now, and all they do is to insult a Chelsea's employee and to label the Club and its board as classless and disrespectful and all — and everything is good for them... But oh well..

[Blue Armour 4,312]

3 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

 

 

 

Think you're all missing the point. The board simply doesn't owe John Terry a new contract. They aren't obligated in any way to give John Terry a new contract.

 

 

Fine, if we take loyalty out of the equation, where does practicality come in?

In a team already short of quality and tactical nous, why take out the the most regular starting member of the back 4? If its left for assessment of the new manager (who we're not even sure will last beyond 6 months) , why did the same rule not apply to Ivanovic who was easily one of, if not the most under-performing player of the season?

I understand your opinion on Ivanovic, but you can't deny that that contract extension makes this situation with Terry look more strange.

 

 

 

 

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Call me a pessimist, but I won't believe he won't go to a PL rival until he doesn't

[Madmax 9,219]

Whatever man, I'm gonna weep like a baby whenever he does go.

[cfcs most wanted 657]

Master stroke Terry, You just got yourself a new contract through that statement 

 

[BlueLion. 21,491]

50 minutes ago, cfcs most wanted said:

Master stroke Terry, You just got yourself a new contract through that statement 

 

 

Did he fuck. He's signed his own death warrant. No way Abramovich will lose face here.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

11 hours ago, Peace. said:

 

5 hours ago, Peace. said:

 

I didn't include the text of the posts I'm referencing because they're a bit longer than average. They can be found by clicking the swirly arrow in the top right of the blue boxes above. If you do that, and find you have not already read them then I recommend that you do. They contain 100%, well thought out, good sense.

The argument @Peace makes in those two contributions reminds me of one of my favourite Winston Churchill comments, "Most people don't think most of the the time so the majority opinion is nearly always wrong."

[11Drogba 2,000]

Our board sacked the manager they had given contract extension a few months earlier. We know enough about them to say that they have no idea what they are doing.

[Clockwork 1,794]

What is it Im missing? 

Terry is past it, the club doesn't think he is at the standard to continue at Chelsea anymore. These type of decisions are made all the time in sports, business, and all walk of life.

the club seriously need to move on from bunch of players.

hopefully this dreadful season serves that, the most positive thing that could happen.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

[Melanicus 5,208]

I don't know why some of you are bringing the personal issues in here, we're talking about Terry as a football player, not as a person (I doubt any of you know him personally anyway). Yes, he doesn't seem like the most pleasant guy if you take into the count some of his "scandals".

But...  

For us, he is a football player, a captain - leader of our beloved team. If you show passion, play your heart out every game, leave your blood, sweat and tears on the pitch every single game, then you can even be an average player and most of the fans will love you. But Terry is not average. He's the greatest central back in the history of the PL, best English defender of all times and best Chelsea captain ever. He's 35, but last season was still easily the best defenders. He bleeds blue and loves this club, he is Chelsea. We're not the biggest of clubs in terms of history, but we're creating in it right now and Terry will be regarded as our biggest legend. 

So - you can be the biggest cunt ever in real life for all I care. It doesn't matter.

It is a disgrace the way the board are treating him in this situation. A fucking disgrace. Even if he was shit this season - the new contract shouldn't even be a question.

And the biggest hypocrisy is that they try to make him a villain because he announced this to the fans. Those cunts in our board are afraid of the fan uproar, because fans make football clubs run. They are now scared and are saying that it's up to the new manager, putting unnecessary pressure at the new guy. Why did they then extend Ivanovic's contract then? 

You may call me a sentimental idiot. Maybe, I'm delusional, but I still believe in honor and passion in the game. 

[Essien19 1,415]

Talking shit about a man is one thing, dragging his parents into it is another one.

You can't choose your parents and furthermore you can't be held responsable for their wrong doings. You know when some people are desperate.

Maybe Terry cheated, maybe not, i think his wife never admitted to these charges, Cole's ex made it clear!

One of the users here once said about an Italian player:

Maybe he should have been a better husband, that says it all, we don't know the whole story so we should not be too judgemental, imo.

Terry is not a racist, an actual court of law found him not guilty, moreover his brothers from another mother Cole and Drogba are his friends and i don't think they would call a racist friend!

So it would be better to accept it instead of going again and again through the same story, imo.

Terry fucked it up in Moscow, that was hard to take, he cried afterwards, that doesn't make up for it, but puts it in perspektive:

he is human afterall, everyone makes mistakes, even the extraterrestial Messi.

Same goes for the game against Barcelona 2012.

Terry had some problems with some of the managers in the past, overall we had lots of glory,

but the Boss demands better.

In my opinion that's why i get where Abramovich is coming from, but i think he should have known better after the fiascos of other legends.

John Terry is one of us and he should stay until the end.

Would Terry put his personal feelings ahead of what's best for the club?

I doubt that, he risked getting some serious health issues with the way he has been playing over the years.

I'm an outsider like most of you, some might say it is 90 percent or higher, but i see how Terry is with his kids in public and how some youth players speak about him, i think he would be great having around, maybe he isn't a tactical mastermind but he can teach you the basics.

He knows what it takes to become one of the best players in the Premier-League, there aren't many better leaders out there.

Hope they all make up their mind and John stays.

Maybe that short text isn't good enough, someone moaned about the recent quality around here,

i sincerely apologise to you, mate.

[Melanicus 5,208]

Here's what Ancelotti had to say about Terry:

"John Terry is the captain of all team captains, he was born with the captain's armband on his arm. Even without the band, it's as if he wears it anyway, and that's how it ought to be. He's different from all the others, Chelsea is his home, it always has been, ever since the youth squad. One word from him, and the locker room holds its breath. He's the first one to sit down at meals, the first one to stand up. Being part of this club is his mission, that's how he was made. He pays close attention to the performances of the youth team, he keeps up, he knows all the scores, he misses nothing (although he often loses at ping-pong in the dining room - and when that happens, watch out). He works twice as hard as everyone else, he has the sense of responsibility of someone who runs a company, a people, a philosophy that above all has to win. There is no room for second place; there can only be room for us."