The Conte Thread

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

Just now, Jason said:

It's all ifs and buts, no? Hazard started OK but faded away. Wasn't doing anything to justify staying on. When he had chances to shoot, he doesn't take them. Didn't fare much better in 1 v 1s either.

Don't give me any of that bullshit. Pedro-Hazard was a defensive sub and you fucking know it. 1-1 in a must win game with 20 minutes to go and he fucking settles for a draw. 

Morata was awful and Willian, in the last 20 minutes before the sub was clearly tired and losing balls left and right. 

 

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

I don't necessarily disagree with you on Conte's sub management because I thought it was shit, along with his in-game tactical management. But was he wrong to take Hazard off? I don't think so. Wasn't affecting the game in any way. Plus, what I don't get is people's constant need to criticize the manager - Conte or not - when they do something that will seemingly upset Hazard. It's as if we're Eden Hazard FC and not Chelsea FC.

He was absolutely wrong to take Hazard off because he can change a game at any time regardless of how he's playing. It's not like we have world class players on our bench.

Your diatribe about "it's not Hazard FC" is a non-sequitir that has nothing to do with nothing. We're trying to win a football match. You keep your best player that can create something from nothing at any moment. Simple. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Hazard: 4 key passes 4 successful dribbles 1 assist 3 big chances created . That's more than okay. 

Your new thing of trying to underrate Hazard is not very clever  and maybe a bit attention seeking. Morata should have been off before him. He has no business subbing out Hazard

Trying to underrate Hazard? Better than some folks who always get touchy when the manager does something that will seemingly upset Hazard or people say something negative about Eden 'Who Can Do No Wrong' Hazard.

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

It's all ifs and buts, no? Hazard started OK but faded away. Wasn't doing anything to justify staying on. When he had chances to shoot, he doesn't take them. Didn't fare much better in 1 v 1s either.

Defo agree. Personally I think it was the right move to swap him out because Willian was playing better (and although Morata was poor playing with a false 9 would of been daft) but the way United came out second half made it a different proposition all together. This is my only concern with Hazard he can brilliant in periods for the 45 minutes then disappears after HT or whatever. No player can play excellently for 90 minutes 40-50 times a season but these sort of games (United, Barca, City whoever) he needs to be a bit more than good for one half. I was disappointed with him in the Barca game because he started good for maybe 15 minutes after we really got into it then was pretty much forgotten about.  He is the main guy here and obviously a level above a lot of our players but that alone seems to buy him immunity from criticism. In hindsight if that was Pedro who started and disappeared after HT then people would not hesitate to say na get him off hes doing fuck all. I think even with Eden on we'd still have lost because we were slowly getting deeper and deeper, losing second balls and letting United come onto us.

[Alabama 1,992]

I know this season is clearly a write off and I dont care if Hazard Coutouis and any fucking body leaves as well...just proper and quality summer transfer...we should be okay....Conte should go fuck himself with all his bad game management and awful subs....bring in the likes of bailey fekir kovacic authur melo asensio....and other quality attacking players....we need quality upfront....barcelona and man u were for taking....but somehow conte and his piss poor squad bottled it...

[Milan 17,853]

4 minutes ago, Jason said:

 Plus, what I don't get is people's constant need to criticize the manager - Conte or not - when they do something that will seemingly upset Hazard. It's as if we're Eden Hazard FC and not Chelsea FC.

What is this? Do something that will upset Hazard? I want to win a game. I am not criticizing Conte for upsetting Hazard  

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Just now, Jason said:

Trying to underrate Hazard? Better than some folks who always get touchy when the manager does something that will seemingly upset Hazard or people say something negative about Eden 'Who Can Do No Wrong' Hazard.

Yes you are. Or being contrarion for attention. I've criticized Hazard several times before but he rarely comes in for criticism because he happens to play well most of the time? The same way Kante and Azpiliceuta rarely come in for criticism but I don't see you saying it's not "Kante FC" or "Azpilicueta FC" . Now is not the time to be contrarion. If you geniunly think subbing off Hazard was the right thing to do, you know less about football than I could ever have thought. 

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

Don't give me any of that bullshit. Pedro-Hazard was a defensive sub and you fucking know it. 1-1 in a must win game with 20 minutes to go and he fucking settles for a draw. 

Morata was awful and Willian, in the last 20 minutes before the sub was clearly tired and losing balls left and right.

The point here isn't about whether Pedro was a defensive sub. It's whether Conte was right to sub Hazard to begin with.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

This is the Hazard that was so bad that deserved to be taken off with 25 mins to go. Because we have Messi, Suarez, Aguero and Neymar on our bench to replace him. Laughable. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Yes you are. Or being contrarion for attention. I've criticized Hazard several times before but he rarely comes in for criticism because he happens to play well most of the time? The same way Kante and Azpiliceuta rarely come in for criticism but I don't see you saying it's not "Kante FC" or "Azpilicueta FC" . Now is not the time to be contrarion. If you geniunly think subbing off Hazard was the right thing to do, you know less about football than I could ever have thought. 

Whatever you say, mate. Ta.

[LAM09 6,744]

How many times can you blame one's selection?

He effectively cost us today and it seems like it won't be the last time.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Hazard sub was a mistake but. If Conte goes and Van Gaal or L.Enrique comes that would be worse for the club than changing Hazard with Pedro.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

The point here isn't about whether Pedro was a defensive sub. It's whether Conte was right to sub Hazard to begin with.

What ?! Who came in for him matters. We don't have any world class players on the bench. Pedro doesn't come close to Hazard.

If you don't have anyone better then you don't replace him. The decision to replace Hazard was a very shit one. 

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

5 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

This is the Hazard that was so bad that deserved to be taken off with 25 mins to go. Because we have Messi, Suarez, Aguero and Neymar on our bench to replace him. Laughable. 

 

That is all well and good but games aren't won by how many passes you complete or how many dribbles you complete. Games are won by goals and he looked less likely to score or create a goal than Willian and there was no way with Morata on and Giroud on the bench, Conte was going to play a false 9 system at 1-1. If you think that he was going to then I don't even know... If he did that he would of gotten criticised even more. Genuinely don't see what the massive fuss was, its not as if Hazard was playing amazing before he got subbed? If he was okay yeah fair enough but he wasn't. I could get it if he was playing great, looking likely to score or whatever but he wasn't so honestly not sure what the fuss is. Most of them stats, the dribbles, key passes, whatever I bet most of them were accumulated in the first half. 

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

4 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

What ?! Who came in for him matters. We don't have any world class players on the bench. Pedro doesn't come close to Hazard.

If you don't have anyone better then you don't replace him. The decision to replace Hazard was a very shit one. 

It was- Willian was the one obviously knackered

[Weckerz 3,781]

1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

 

That is all well and good but games aren't won by how many passes you complete or how many dribbles you complete. Games are won by goals and he looked less likely to score or create a goal than Willian and there was no way with Morata on and Giroud on the bench, Conte was going to play a false 9 system at 1-1. If you think that he was going to then I don't even know... If he did that he would of gotten criticised even more. Genuinely don't see what the massive fuss was, its not as if Hazard was playing amazing before he got subbed? If he was okay yeah fair enough but he wasn't. I could get it if he was playing great, looking likely to score or whatever but he wasn't so honestly not sure what the fuss is. Most of them stats, the dribbles, key passes, whatever I bet most of them were accumulated in the first half. 

Hazard is rarely a goal threat, so not sure why you're going on about goals. The fear factor alone when he's got the ball opens up space for others to abuse, which has been the case for years.

Was browsing the match thread on Redcafe, people were laughing at Conte when he subbed Hazard. It was a moronic decision

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

1 minute ago, Weckerz said:

Hazard is rarely a goal threat, so not sure why you're going on about goals. The fear factor alone when he's got the ball opens up space for others to abuse, which has been the case for years.

Was browsing the match thread on Redcafe, people were laughing at Conte when he subbed Hazard. It was a moronic decision

15 goals 11 assists this season, Our top scorer. There's just no way to rationalize it. 

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Anyway, enough of the Hazard talk. That's a distraction from the real story here which is how Conte is failing with a multi-million pound squad. He's been easily the worst manager of the top 6 clubs this season with the exception of Wenger . This season shows he's been incredibly overrated for last season. Was helped a lot by no European football. This season, he hasn't got a clue what he's doing.