The Conte Thread

[Alabama 1,992]

50 minutes ago, Jason said:

When you think about it, Ancelotti is the perfect man for the board. A 'Yes' man, doesn't complain, happy to be pushed around by the board etc.

That would be a perfect match but an unhealthy relationship for we the fans...with that the club ll go down...

[Cosmin 2,484]

2 hours ago, Mana said:

I think you need to read his post again. He is blaming Conte for the mess and saying he was responsible for it.

And you said "I kind of agree with what he said. The relationship between Conte and the club started to deteriorate after that episode. However, I also agree that he was right."

So if this is a misunderstanding, fine, but I was just going on what I've seen here.

Just to make it clear, I agree with Henrique about the timings, but I do not agree with him about who is to blame. 

Things started to get messy once the Costa situation escalated in the media, but the club should've taken Conte's side. Which might seem to be what it did, but I am not 100% convinced. 

It just wasn't the same after that anymore. I am a big supporter of Antonio just like I was for every Chelsea manager, including Benitez. 

But just to be realistic, I cannot see him staying once this season ends. 

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

[Cosmin 2,484]

6 minutes ago, Mana said:

Costa is always going to butt heads with managers who has an ego or doesn't take shit. Conte isn't the only manager he buttheads with. 

If the club backed Costa instead of Conte, I'm sure Conte would have walked before this season begun. And Costa would still be here. It's clear as day they backed Conte on that debacle.

It's only not the same anymore because we don't have a striker that is in a class of Costa, and the board hasn't backed him in transfers since summer 2016.

Fair enough. You are probably right. 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

What is wrong with our club?

we hire conte, we know he always used a big striker to implement his philosophy, we refuse to back him. Now hes complaining and we want to hire Enrique who buys so many players instead of sarri who is proven to cope with stringent budgets like ours. Sarri actually builds teams and has a philosophy anyone can recognize. What exactly did Enrique do in any other club he managed (roma, Celtavigo) that wasnt Barcelona, more specifically didnt have messi?

I'll rather keep conte instead of Enrique. Our club is run by pipes i swear

[Mufassir08 2,400]

7 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

I'll rather keep conte instead of Enrique. Our club is run by pipes i swear

Oh I'd rather keep Conte than [insert any manager's name here] 

[The Chels 2,502]

On 29/01/2018 at 3:49 PM, kellzfresh said:

What is wrong with our club?

we hire conte, we know he always used a big striker to implement his philosophy, we refuse to back him.

Now that we're already in this mess, I personally agree with the board in this specific instance: they know that the next manager probably won't want Dzeko so how much point is there in buying him? Whatever transfers we make this window should suit the club and any of its next possible managers, not just Conte for a few months. But this is exactly the problem with the terrible combination of (a) the club's frugality and (b) its lack of philosophy. We'll find ourselves in this situation again and again as they continue to hire managers based on their track records (as opposed to how well they align with the club's (nonexistent) footballing principles), and continue to allow managers with questionable judgement to sign their favourite players under £40m only.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/28/chelsea-target-luis-enrique-new-manager-antonio-conte-sacked/

[Laylabelle 9,351]

I'm sure all these rumours are helping his motivation.. 

[Special Juan 27,424]

"I have given my opinions to the club"

On Palmieri.... " I don't know about him"

Chelsea fucking football club.

[Alabama 1,992]

24 minutes ago, Mana said:

Well guys...after today I can say this:

We are the defending Premier League champions. Champions of England.

Enjoy this sweet, sweet moment while it lasts because it's going to take years upon years before we can challenge for the PL again.

Quite the opposite...football world is quite volatile.....anything can happen between now and the summer window regardless if conte walk away or not...

[Tomo 21,733]

Just now, Mana said:

You're lying to yourself. 

Even if City somehow "collapse" next season, there's United and Arsenal. We aren't currently good enough, and bring in one person in the summer won't be enough. We need huge upgrades around the park. 

Arsenal? 

Despite our shady recruitment we would still be in a title race any other season, admittedly an outside chance but were still be there.

[Tomo 21,733]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

Well if they keep Ozil and Wilshere for next season, yes. They seriously upgraded in last two windows. They SHOULD be up there and better than us with their new squad, but it all depends on Wenger's tactics.

Probably we will, but we will begin to wither before January. We don't have the players to keep up with City and United. We will be in that top 4 race, just like this season.

They have been technically upgrading ever since the summer they signed Ozil and while they have started picking up domestic cups, they have got worse in the league, Arsenal are the least of our worries. And everyone is in that top 4 race this season bar City, including United.

[Alabama 1,992]

12 minutes ago, Mana said:

You're lying to yourself. 

Even if City somehow "collapse" next season, there's United and Arsenal. We aren't currently good enough, and bring in one person in the summer won't be enough. We need huge upgrades around the park. 

United you are spot on....but arsenal cmon...don't make me laugh...lemme not delve into that...like have said....a lot can happen between now and summer....calm down don't be too stereotypical regarding d situation of the club though d future looks gloomy...

[Alabama 1,992]

6 minutes ago, Mana said:

Not the same.

Arsenal usually doesn't spend this much money before...they really went OUT this time. Chelsea will not handle Arsenal's attack. We couldn't even handle them BEFORE.

Forget this season, I'm talking next season. We need serious upgrades around the park if we ever going to compete for the league or even beat Arsenal.

You do realise we only won once in 8 meetings against Arsenal? And that's without their upgraded attack? 

Have you forgotten we lost the FA Cup to them? Have you forgotten we lost the Community Shield to them? Have you just forgotten we lost the semi-final to them last week? Stop laughing, pal.

Who cares if we lose those matches to them and end up winning d league...our lost against them is d way conte set up against them not due their form or how good they are....two quality attackers in the mould fekir/gelson/pulisic...and class wingbacks all transform the team dramatically and would have taken that pathetic Wenger team to the cleaners.... It doesn't help when morata keeps misfiring d oda day we met for the second leg league tie...

[Tomo 21,733]

8 minutes ago, Mana said:

Not the same.

Arsenal usually doesn't spend this much money before...they really went OUT this time. Chelsea will not handle Arsenal's attack. We couldn't even handle them BEFORE.

Forget this season, I'm talking next season. We need serious upgrades around the park if we ever going to compete for the league or even beat Arsenal.

You do realise we only won once in 8 meetings against Arsenal? And that's without their upgraded attack? 

Have you forgotten we lost the FA Cup to them? Have you forgotten we lost the Community Shield to them? Have you just forgotten we lost the semi-final to them last week? Stop laughing, pal.

Kenny's Liverpool done two succesive doubles over us yet didn't get close to us in the table, Palace have won 4 in 8 vs us including back to back at The Bridge. Arsenal may have started getting the better off us in the head to heads (understatement) , but in terms of the overall we are still very much superior to them as is still being reflected in the table. Plus it's hardly upgraded, Mikhi is rubbish and while Auba's very good he's no Alexis.

[Tomo 21,733]

4 minutes ago, Mana said:

I certainly cared THIS season, as we are not going to win the league...we should be in the League Cup final, but we are not. 

Doesn't matter, they beat us. 

Lol, you just admitted we needed better players. Which I'm saying here. Currently we are not good enough to beat dinosaur Wenger. The facts are there. If we meet Arsenal again this season, Arsenal will beat us.

Hmmm. Kenny's Liverpool is a whole level below the coming new Arsenal. 

They have upgraded. While I agree with Alexis v. Auba with Alexis being better, it's not JUST about one player. Arsenal's attack is strong.

Miki isn't rubbish, he's just not a Mourinho player. Is Salah rubbish? Is De Bruyne rubbish? So no, I strongly disagree that Miki is a rubbish player.

Difference is Salah and KDB were prospects, Mkhi was in his prime and they are the type of players that usually shine under Mou. Arsenal's attack on paper looks good but presents the same problem the Mazacar did for us, even if i turn out to be wrong about Mkhi he and Ozil are number both 10's and Auba and Lacazette are number 9's, will be a tricky task fitting them all in to full effect.

[Alabama 1,992]

8 minutes ago, Mana said:

I certainly cared THIS season, as we are not going to win the league...we should be in the League Cup final, but we are not. 

Doesn't matter, they beat us. 

Lol, you just admitted we needed better players. Which I'm saying here. Currently we are not good enough to beat dinosaur Wenger. The facts are there. If we meet Arsenal again this season, Arsenal will beat us.

Hmmm. Kenny's Liverpool is a whole level below the coming new Arsenal. 

 

Let's just agree to disagree or disagree to agree...cos I said in my initial post that a lot can change between now and the summer either conte walks away or Enrique becomes the next manager...my post is a response to your stereotypical opinion that we won't compete for years to come which I quite disagree...

In addition I don't know why you care this season when our summer transfer period was piss poor....us and city needed wingabcks.... They got Walker and Mendy while we got zappacosta....ambition...I can understand your plight as a fan of this club but hey the morons we have in charge of transfer don't give a fucking care so why should I after d closure of d summer transfer I already knew we are in for top 4 battle this season due to our recruitment....we didn't improve improve or upgrade the team if anything we only got like for like replacement for the outgoing players which further deteriorated the quality of the team...

Another reason why I don't give a fuckibg care about the morons in charge of transfers is what is going on regarding dzeko transfer or lemme say potential failure of dzeko transfer....

If we are a club with real ambition....we can approach the transfer another way instead of chasing dwindling dzeko...we can buy a player in the mould of mahrez/fekir and integrate them in pedro/willian role coupled with the imminent arrival of emerson and keep batshuayi and promote Hudson odoi as third choice striker...with that our attack ll transform sporadially...then in the summer improve and upgrade other area of weakness in the squad...