The Conte Thread

[Tomo 21,733]

16 hours ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

 

I'm sure you can see the difference between the level of competition this year and the one from last year. We didn't need to rotate much with virtually one game a week the entire campaign. And to be honest I was never impressed with Chalobah... lots of hype and no actual skill if you ask me.

So what players are available at our price point that teams were willing to sell? Does said player improve us massively? We were in for Tolisso he decided to go to Bayern and to be honest I'm not even sure he's much better than we have in Cesc. The problem is what we need in the transfer window is allegedly out of our price range. We need to sprinkle a little pixie dust on the squad to get us back(?) to the elite level. We need 1-2 world class players not 5-6 average players. And for whatever reason Chelsea have refused to pay the money required to bring in elite level talent to go along side your courtois' hazard's, Azpi's and Kante's.

We aren't a bad team. We are third in the most difficult competition in the world but in order to compete we can't continuously buy average players and expect more that modest results. Not asking for much here two players and it's a done deal! Had we actually got Sandro and then went in and acquired someone like Mahrez that would be a real signal of intent. Instead we almost got Emerson(who is injured) and we're screaming for Hudson-Odoi to play!

 

I agree about Chalobah, which begs the question would he have got picked as often as even Danny has (talking the hypothetical situation where the board says no Drinkwater use Nate instead)? I doubt it and Conte would have likely flogged Kante, Baka and Cesc to death and even played Luiz before picking him. Which is what i mean by we have strengthened in terms of numbers, money for players Conte didn't use has funded for players he has. In the market there is always quality to improve us attainable, infact two of our world class players you mentioned sneaked in on the cheap under the radar. We aren't joining in the new found game of supermarket sweep with Manchester, Barca and Paris, that much is clear but we have enough money to compete if we scout, recruit and coach well, all that means is our staff and coaching team have to earn their wages that little bit more.

United of 2006 is an example for the route we need to go down, we were escaping in the distance spending obscene amounts yet what was United's response? Michael Carrick and two defenders in Evra and Vidic who came in under the radar. United fans were livid at the time "no ambition", "Fergie's lost it", "our board are cunts, Chelsea are getting Essien, Shevchenko, Ballack and Ashley Cole while we are hunting in the bargain bin, disgrace" yet as it turned out, those three elavated United up a level and ultimately knocked us off top spot. Ofcourse it helps that they had the greatest manager, but it shows there's players out there that will improve us without costing obscene amounts and we proved that ourselves early this decade too, can i name players? I haven't followed foreign football for ages so no, but our well paid scouts and whoever replaces Emenalo should be identifying suitable players.

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

13 hours ago, the wes said:

Chelsea board losing patience with Antonio Conte's claims he has no say on signings

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/25/chelsea-losing-patience-antonio-contes-claims-has-no-say-signings/

"Chelsea board losing patience for finally being criticised - if you want to call it that - by a manager" perhaps a better and more truthful headline. 

[11Drogba 2,000]

19 minutes ago, Tomo said:

United of 2006 is an example

Archaic example, but I guesss the board is thinking similarly as I said earlier that our board is still shopping like it is 2007. Premiere league and world football has gotten a lot more competitive since then.

Also saying SAF did it why cant our guys is like criticizing Hazard because he does not 30 plus goals a year like Messi. SAF and Messi are unique. You cant expect other people to accomplish what they did.

[Tomo 21,733]

20 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

Archaic example, but I guesss the board is thinking similarly as I said earlier that our board is still shopping like it is 2007. Premiere league and world football has gotten a lot more competitive since then.

Also saying SAF did it why cant our guys is like criticizing Hazard because he does not 30 plus goals a year like Messi. SAF and Messi are unique. You cant expect other people to accomplish what they did.

Ok, so lets factor in inflation, £7-15m then is what 25-35 now? Im pretty sure quality players are attainable in that bracket, players that can improve us, if we go by the last three season's off the top of my head (to keep it recent) Salah, Alderwierld, Son, Ederson, Bailly, Mane, Waynama, Firminho all signed by our rival clubs in that bracket or less, as much as one of them would improve us right now. £200m (money we spent last summer) means we can sign 5-6 players on that price range, get as much as 3 that turn out as good as those names and we are a different proposition.

[11Drogba 2,000]

1 minute ago, Tomo said:

Ok, so lets factor in inflation, £7-15m then is what 25-35 now? Im pretty sure quality players are attainable in that bracket, players that can improve us, if we go by the last three season's off the top of my head (to keep it recent) Salah, Alderwierld, Son, Bailly, Mane, Waynama, Firminho all signed by our rival clubs in that bracket or less, as much as one of them would improve us right now. £200m (money we spent last summer) means we can sign 5-6 players on that price range, get as much as 3 that turn out as good as those names and we are a different proposition.

Yes Liverpool and Tottenham have been buying 20-30m  players and some of them have been really good, but look what they have won with this strategy? 0

Where are they compared to Manchester clubs in the table? Under.

If other clubs do not start buying expensive elite players like Manchester clubs there is no chance they can consistently compete with them. This is a fact in 2017.

 

[bigbluewillie 1,859]

On 1/25/2018 at 10:01 AM, Pizy said:

He won't be sacked during the season unless top 4 is gone. We'll batter Newcastle this weekend and the mood will lift temporarily.

Expect to be disappointed then bud, especially with the newcastle game.

[Pizy 18,368]

12 minutes ago, AChes1ofus said:

Expect to be disappointed then bud, especially with the newcastle game.

We aren't losing at home to Newcastle. 

[Laylabelle 9,351]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

We aren't losing at home to Newcastle. 

Nahhhhh we'll draw! 

[Cosmin 2,484]

It's remarkable how things have changed since we won the League. We had the momentum, but we failed to manage the situation properly. 

Now everyone seems to be in a better position than us.

City - at least one level above Chelsea, in terms of money, in terms of philosophy

United - seem to get along with their manager quite well, just extended his contract and signed another superstar;

Arsenal - are trying to sign some decent players and seem to have become our Nemesis;

Liverpool - they keep brining in good prospects and giving their manager credit;

Spurs seem to be the only ones that lost their momentum as well. 

We are clearly not going to create a club philosophy. We'll just have one good seasons, followed by a mediocre one, then by a shitty one, then by a good one again. 

We will keep chaning managers, keep a good financial balanc and try winning a trophy once in a while. However, since the others will actually make progress, it's gonna be more and more difficult for us to compete. To be honest, I cannot see either Hazard or Courtois extending their contracts. We are very much at risk of turning into a 4-6th place club. And it's gonna be very very difficult to get out of that zone. 

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

If anyone watched today's presser and didn't come away from it thinking he's off you must've bumped your head badly.


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[the wes 7,212]

 

[Pizy 18,368]

I got tired of watching his press conferences months ago because the awful journalist ask him literally the same questions every few days and he gives the same answers every time.

So did he sound like he knew he's off soon or was he just annoyed to be there?

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

I got tired of watching his press conferences months ago because the awful journalist ask him literally the same questions every few days and he gives the same answers every time.
So did he sound like he knew he's off soon or was he just annoyed to be there?

It would be as shocking as finding out the earth is flat if Conte is at Chelsea next year. The print of what he actually said reads a helluva lot better than his body language and demeanour. He's clearly not getting along with the board since the summer and they've done little to make amends.

[Special Juan 27,424]

45 minutes ago, the wes said:

 

I won't watch that link because Paul Merson is one of the biggest cock ends on TV.

[Laylabelle 9,351]

Can't be bothered to watch that but ain't wrong though does seem we are in a crisis... Again! Lack of anything in the transfer window is worrying despite being obvious there's cracks and have been since summer 

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Pizy 18,368]

Seems like everyone (the club, the fans, and Conte himself) are resigned to him going. Such a fucking shame and caused almost entirely by the club this time rather than the manager himself. For years and years Roman and the club hierarchy have desired a long term manager who can build something at Chelsea. We've finally got one who could've done that and they haven't ever backed him sufficiently.

Now it's all going to start over in the summer. New manager who will probably have much different ideas on both playing style and personnel. More rebuilding and another reset while the clubs around us are all stable.

Now seeing rumors about Luis Enrique being the guy. What a huge gamble that would be. A terrible choice, imo.

[Laylabelle 9,351]

What is so frustrating is everytime this happens clubs and managers are looking for players to strengthen while we spend time finding a new manager. 

Who would want to take this role... They won't last long and get crap in the transfer window. Probably seen more as a stop gap job more then something long term