The Mourinho Thread

[The Chels 2,502]

Regardless of who the better manager is I think Simeone's big game tactics are better than Jose's. He tries to limit the number of opposition chances by playing a high-intensity pressing game all over the pitch thereby not allowing them space to play their game. Contrast that to Jose's sitting back tactic which relies a lot on luck.

Edited October 26, 2014 by The Chels

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Best manager in the world is up to debate, everyone got their own opinions just accept it.

Simeone-getting a team who should be finishing in top 4 to get past 2 of their best club sides in history is amazing achievement

Mourinho-winning the league in many different countries and CL

Klopp-same as Simeone but atm struggling so don't think he is in contention anymore

Pep-always make amazing team play good, coached the best squad in history arguably

If we are being honest Jose was the best in 2010, Pep 11, Klopp 12, Heynckes 13, Simeone 14. Ancelotti and Del Bosque some where along too.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

  On 26/10/2014 at 19:59, The Chels said:

Regardless of who the better manager is I think Simeone's big game tactics are better than Jose's. He tries to limit the number of opposition chances by playing a high-intensity pressing game all over the pitch whereas Jose's sitting back tactic relies a lot on luck.

Obviously...that is why they won at the Bridge last season, twice away at Bernabeu in 12 months now, drew at Barca...etc. With far less superior players too I might add.

[Joker10 946]

  On 26/10/2014 at 19:34, Tomo said:

Knockout cups can be won any time, the Greece team in the last word cup were imo better than the team that won the Euros.

I don't doubt the sheer spirit and desire we shown to win the CL ofcourse not, however that was the most one sided final i have seen, we were well off the pace compared to thd elite and it showed, the win was simply remarkable.

If our team of 2000 got the rub of the green in Barca, with 3 one off games after that, who knows if they would have done the same.

Small margins.

Small margins is all it take from seperating a Champion and another side in history, that is almsot every sport. That team was a Champion of Europe, an accomplishment that no Chelsea side has ever reached. No one could say they were a shit side or the worst side in 2 decades. Their accomlishment speak for it self.

The CL final we were missing so many players and stil won the game, for me that was a testement of a great side. It didn't matter who it was players steped up throughout the CL and when RDM was appointed.

btw Individual talent does not equal team.

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 26/10/2014 at 20:01, MrBlueGuy said:

Obviously...that is why they won at the Bridge last season, twice away at Bernabeu in 12 months now, drew at Barca...etc. With far less superior players too I might add.

Yet his way of not putting men on the posts cost him a CL medal.

No one is perfect, EVERY manager makes mistakes.

[Barbara 15,149]

Just like the team against Palace last season, today Mourinho lacked balls. It happens. Time to move on, but he should know despite the mistake by Dowd sending Iva off, this is on him. You don't sit back when you're building a momentum. You capitalize and go for the kill. Funny he talks about Willian and Hazard needing to learn about going for the kill if he himself doesn't go. Today was the 6th time Mikel was introduced in an EPL match for us. Coward approach that disappoints me.

All in all, one point isn't that bad, but there's a bad taste in my mouth, about the two points lost and the approach Mourinho took when he brought Mikel (who was awful btw).

I expected more from Mou.

[The Chels 2,502]

  On 26/10/2014 at 20:04, Tomo said:

Yet his way of not putting men on the posts cost him a CL medal.

No one is perfect, EVERY manager makes mistakes.

Nobody said he's perfect - just that he's a better manager than Jose because he's better in the big games. Not that controversial an opinion really.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

  On 26/10/2014 at 20:04, Barbara said:

Just like the team against Palace last season, today Mourinho lacked balls. It happens. Time to move on, but he should know despite the mistake by Dowd sending Iva off, this is on him. You don't sit back when you're building a momentum. You capitalize and go for the kill. Funny he talks about Willian and Hazard needing to learn about going to the kill if he himself doesn't go. Today was the 6th time Mikel was introduced in an EPL match for us. Coward approach that disappoints me.

All in all, one point isn't that bad, but there's a bad taste in my mouth, about the two points lost and the approach Mourinho took when he brought Mikel (who was awful btw).

I expected more from Mou.

1st time I see you criticize Mou hehe

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 26/10/2014 at 20:05, The Chels said:

Nobody said he's perfect - just that he's a better manager than Jose because he's better in the big games. Not that controversial an opinion really.

Leti aside Mou was spot on in every big game last season apart from maybe United.

Same way Simeone was spot on all season, until the CL final.

[Joker10 946]

  On 26/10/2014 at 19:55, The Chels said:

Second best IMO

He made the same mistake against Madrid in the CL final. He changed his tactics near the end of the game and allowed Madrid to have the ball without any pressure.

Mou maybe the best manager but it doesn't excuse his falt from 2 of our draws this season.

[The Chels 2,502]

  On 26/10/2014 at 20:08, Joker10 said:

He made the same mistake against Madrid in the CL final. He changed his tactics near the end of the game and allowed Madrid to have the ball without any pressure.

Mou maybe the best manager but it doesn't excuse his falt from 2 of our draws this season.

Yep but they had injuries all over the place including to Luis. They had no outball and were all understandably shattered after a season of high-intensity pressing. You can't really blame them for doing it right at the end of the season. They hardly ever do it - we do it in every big game.

[Barbara 15,149]

  On 26/10/2014 at 20:07, MrBlueGuy said:

1st time I see you criticize Mou hehe

I don't often criticize him, but I've done it many, many times before. There's no way to defend him today, although it's only a draw, one mistake, I won't crucify him for that, but for me, the loss of two points was more on him than on Dowd.

[xPetrCechx 13,565]

  On 26/10/2014 at 20:04, Barbara said:

Just like the team against Palace last season, today Mourinho lacked balls. It happens. Time to move on, but he should know despite the mistake by Dowd sending Iva off, this is on him. You don't sit back when you're building a momentum. You capitalize and go for the kill. Funny he talks about Willian and Hazard needing to learn about going for the kill if he himself doesn't go. Today was the 6th time Mikel was introduced in an EPL match for us. Coward approach that disappoints me.

All in all, one point isn't that bad, but there's a bad taste in my mouth, about the two points lost and the approach Mourinho took when he brought Mikel (who was awful btw).

I expected more from Mou.

[The Chels 2,502]

  On 26/10/2014 at 20:08, Tomo said:

Leti aside Mou was spot on in every big game last season apart from maybe United.

Same way Simeone was spot on all season, until the CL final.

Perhaps but Simeone's big game tactics are more foolproof IMO (if someone makes one mistake it's unlikely to be costly unlike ours with Schurrle/Iva vs. City). It's also more satisfying seeing your team press the opposition all over the pitch and make chances than sitting back and hoping the opposition don't take their chances. Remember how they completely dominated us at Stamford Bridge while we barely had the ball at theirs?

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

  On 26/10/2014 at 20:11, Barbara said:

I don't often criticize him, but I've done it many, many times before. There's no way to defend him today, although it's only a draw, one mistake, I won't crucify him for that, but for me, the loss of two points was more on him than on Dowd.

It is ironic though that you thought we did well against City, using this exact same tactic against 10 men for the whole match. Today we actually tried to dominate until the last 20 mins when we went back into Mou bus parking mode.

[stroey 2,525]

When Mou decided to bring on Mikel it was for several reasons.

-Oscar and cesc couldn't control the midfield. Mikel can help with that.

- Matic and Cesc were already on yellows, one dive or foul would be a 2nd yellow.

- Bringing Mikel to be the main cdm, gives Cesc and Matic more freedom to attack.

I think it was a good move, not a coward one. Normally Mikel helps us to control games, like Everton (3-6).

[roba3y 28]

Mourinho's strategy success rate is about 8 out of 10 Matches (Big Matches)
You would never ever find a strategy which make you achieve 100% success
We will be caught sometimes and that is normal like what happened today and against Man city

But since the success rate is still like that i will take it and support our manager to keep on it until you find a better approach for games that gives higher success %

[nono 791]

  On 26/10/2014 at 20:20, stroey said:

When Mou decided to bring on Mikel it was for several reasons.

-Oscar and cesc couldn't control the midfield. Mikel can help with that.

- Matic and Cesc were already on yellows, one dive or foul would be a 2nd yellow.

- Bringing Mikel to be the main cdm, gives Cesc and Matic more freedom to attack.

I think it was a good move, not a coward one. Normally Mikel helps us to control games, like Everton (3-6).

Mikel can't pass the ball except backwards or sideways putting more pressure on his teammates. You're shitting yourself if you think he can help control the midfield.