The Mourinho Thread

[supporter 3,088]

Today Jose has shown that he is not a fool man who does not give opportunities to their good young players. Jose is very intelligent and he creates the best environment for their young players to be played slowly and gaining confidence in themselves until good young players that we have have demonstrated their great performance and then Jose gives them their big break in the starting eleven at the time of the season with little risk for them to become major players in our team. Go step by step with young kids is the best way. But without him give away free anyone. We are Chelsea and can only play on our team the big players, and therefore can only play the great young players. Zouma and Varane are two good examples. They were playing slowly with Jose, increasingly minutes, and when they were in their prime (by the way, they both did in the quiet games January) Jose put them in the starting eleven and gave the final step in their careers.

Jose is very intelligent and knows how to manage well the different stages of young players. Without giving anything away, but he is an honest man and when a young player has great performance he gives them their chance to be important in our team.

I trust too much in Jose. He is honest, nothing fool, and he is very intelligent. Someone you can trust. ONE OF US.

[STEVE666 13]

Jose is tried and tested and will only improve, its in his make up as a human being not to fail. Most of all, he is one of us. I can see us marching on now.

[Fernando 6,585]

You're asking him to stop defending the club and say out loud what everyone saw.

Go to sleep mate.

And I saw cahill kicking a Tottenham player and not get banned.

So there is no campaign against Chelsea. Is just mourinho usual nonsense of deflecting from the truth.

A. Our defense is our weakest link

B. Our lack of rotation is costing us.

So it seems mourinho has finally noticed that our defense is our weakest link. Just only took a beating from tottenham to figure that out.....

Now is zouma our answer?

I don't know, but if he's not good enough then let's buy a new cb and put cahill as a sub.

But if we are not going to buy a cb I rather gamble more on zouma then cahill as he's younger and might have a lot of potential.

[The Chels 2,502]

And I saw cahill kicking a Tottenham player and not get banned.

So there is no campaign against Chelsea. Is just mourinho usual nonsense of deflecting from the truth.

A. Our defense is our weakest link

B. Our lack of rotation is costing us.

So it seems mourinho has finally noticed that our defense is our weakest link. Just only took a beating from tottenham to figure that out.....

Now is zouma our answer?

I don't know, but if he's not good enough then let's buy a new cb and put cahill as a sub.

But if we are not going to buy a cb I rather gamble more on zouma then cahill as he's younger and might have a lot of potential.

Cahill has actually had a lot of luck. He should have been red carded against Arsenal for his horrible challenge, QPR for his dive (2nd yellow) and Tottenham for his kick on Kane. We also somehow didn't concede a penalty against Liverpool in spite of 2 clear Cahill handballs. This isn't to mention all the technical and tactical mistakes he's made. Huge liability.

[Tomo 21,751]

And I saw cahill kicking a Tottenham player and not get banned.

So there is no campaign against Chelsea. Is just mourinho usual nonsense of deflecting from the truth.

A. Our defense is our weakest link

B. Our lack of rotation is costing us.

So it seems mourinho has finally noticed that our defense is our weakest link. Just only took a beating from tottenham to figure that out.....

Now is zouma our answer?

I don't know, but if he's not good enough then let's buy a new cb and put cahill as a sub.

But if we are not going to buy a cb I rather gamble more on zouma then cahill as he's younger and might have a lot of potential.

Far far too much is made of this supposed lack of rotation, a lot of teams have been successful by picking a best Xl and sticking to it.

Infact I would say rotation does a lot more harm than supposed tiredness can ever do. Infact look at the way we played vs WBA, Schalke and West Ham, would we have put such high level displays if we constantly rotated the team? Not a chance.

[Fernando 6,585]

Far far too much is made of this supposed lack of rotation, a lot of teams have been successful by picking a best Xl and sticking to it.

Infact I would say rotation does a lot more harm than supposed tiredness can ever do. Infact look at the way we played vs WBA, Schalke and West Ham, would we have put such high level displays if we constantly rotated the team? Not a chance.

The entire season? Especially in pl with Christmas fixtures and all that?

I remember saf was very creative and changed up players here and there.

It help a lot his team.

[Tomo 21,751]

The entire season? Especially in pl with Christmas fixtures and all that?

I remember saf was very creative and changed up players here and there.

It help a lot his team.

There was a season, I think 06/07 or 07/08 where SAF basically stuck with the same team all season, Arsenals "invincibles" barely rotated neither did Peps Barca, our double winning side also was the same team for most iff the season.

Also Rafa would have won the title in 2009 if he didn't piss about with the team leading to constant home draws to mid table teams.

[iseah100 5,612]

Best manager in the world

[The Chels 2,502]

Best manager in the world

He was but currently? Not so sure. I personally reckon that by the end of the season Simeone will have fully established himself as the current number 1, if he hasn't already.

[iseah100 5,612]

He was but currently? Not so sure. I personally reckon that by the end of the season Simeone will have fully established himself as the current number 1, if he hasn't already.

What if we win the PL and FA cup?

[The Chels 2,502]

What if we win the PL and FA cup?

Would be a very good achievement but 'the best manager in the world' hinges a lot on the CL and how well you do relative to expectations.

The defensive system that Simeone employs is still the best in the world. They 'park the bus' but their first line of defence starts high up the pitch and their very organised, intense pressing (ours is amateurish in comparison) means they concede fewer chances and create more than we do when we play defensively. Every time I watch Atletico in the big games neutralising Madrid and Barca I can't help but think how they'd absolutely thrash City. Did you see how many times Ramos/Varane/Marcelo, technically very good footballers, lost the ball when pressed by Atletico in the game midweek? Imagine how many chances we'd have created through turnovers against City if we pressed Mangala, a technically poor defender, like that in September! Sadly Mourinho prefers passive defending which is not only more boring to watch but is also where individual errors are more common and more costly (e.g. City & United away this year, Atletico at home last year).

Because of Simeone's tactics I fully expect Atletico to go further than us in the CL and maybe even win it. If that happens or if they end up retaining La Liga (I expect they'll win one of the two) then Mourinho could win the FA Cup and PL but would still be behind Simeone.

[Laylabelle 9,536]

Love the Mail article about him being pissed off with the ref..ignoring the fact he didn't speak to the media so going on reactions to

[Tomo 21,751]

Would be a very good achievement but 'the best manager in the world' hinges a lot on the CL and how well you do relative to expectations.

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Does it? I wouldn't say AncelottI was better than Mou or Fergie despite more CLs.

[ZOS 580]

He was but currently? Not so sure. I personally reckon that by the end of the season Simeone will have fully established himself as the current number 1, if he hasn't already.

wait wait ... what the fuck did Simone achieve to deserve it? this must be like 3 years ago when folks were thinking Jergen Klopp as the next big thing

[BlueLyon 9,359]

wait wait ... what the fuck did Simone achieve to deserve it? this must be like 3 years ago when folks were thinking Jergen Klopp as the next big thing

Won la liga and reached cl final?

Well I love Mou but even I admit Simeone was much better last year, he won domestic league, we finished 3rd. Not to mention he tacticaly defeated Mou when we lost against Atletico in semis of CL.

To say he achieved all that with much cheaper squad, thanks to his good motivational and tactical skills.

And even this year he is doing very good, keeping close to top, despite selling some of key players and barca/real buying big again.

Klopp has no plan b and is very unlucky with inuries, but his phylosophy is good. Bvb played best football I saw in last few years during 2012-2013, big thanks to Klopp. Losing Lewa and Gotze and replacing them with average players is not his fault either. If Mou sells Hazard and Costa and replaces with players like Imobbile or Mkhitaryan, while facing half injured squad; I wonder how would he keep things together. Sure Klopp is guilty for being in relegation zone, but players were awfull and unlucky too.

Back to Simeone, think he has more options to play. Not as nice football as Klopp, but one that wins you games. However, I wonder if there is another team that Simeone could manage, atm the best teams play possession football, as attractive as possible, while Simeone is not so much suited for it. I wonder how would he do at City or psg where players play very differently from atletico or chelsea.

That said, Simeone deserves to win coach of the year. Ancelotti failed in la liga and got lucky in CL, while Low had by far most complete and grown team in WC to win it (and almost fucked up when he was following Pep "brilliant" tactics by putting Lahm in midfield -.- )

Mou on other hand won nothing last year and tbh, underachieved in PL. Not to say he was outclassed at home against atletico.

[dee25 1,044]

Would be a very good achievement but 'the best manager in the world' hinges a lot on the CL and how well you do relative to expectations.

The defensive system that Simeone employs is still the best in the world. They 'park the bus' but their first line of defence starts high up the pitch and their very organised, intense pressing (ours is amateurish in comparison) means they concede fewer chances and create more than we do when we play defensively. Every time I watch Atletico in the big games neutralising Madrid and Barca I can't help but think how they'd absolutely thrash City. Did you see how many times Ramos/Varane/Marcelo, technically very good footballers, lost the ball when pressed by Atletico in the game midweek? Imagine how many chances we'd have created through turnovers against City if we pressed Mangala, a technically poor defender, like that in September! Sadly Mourinho prefers passive defending which is not only more boring to watch but is also where individual errors are more common and more costly (e.g. City & United away this year, Atletico at home last year).

Because of Simeone's tactics I fully expect Atletico to go further than us in the CL and maybe even win it. If that happens or if they end up retaining La Liga (I expect they'll win one of the two) then Mourinho could win the FA Cup and PL but would still be behind Simeone.

I'm not sure if I completely agree with everything, particularly the bit about Mourinho preferring passing defending. Our defenders are passive defenders, so that has to be taken into consideration. Terry does try to be proactive, against Spurs he was playing more as midfielder!

I do agree though about our pressing. It's very easy to bypass. At St Mary's, Southampton were playing around our pressing quite easily (even with Matic and Mikel in central midfield).

[LAB 1,030]

Good move to disappear post match yesterday.

[The Chels 2,502]

Does it? I wouldn't say AncelottI was better than Mou or Fergie despite more CLs.

It does play a big part imo at least but Ancelotti has always had a poor league record so he's obviously not better than the 2 mentioned. My point is that when it is very close between managers then the CL can be used as a differential. With Simeone you can guarantee he will not be far off the top of the league by the end of the season (which is a huge achievement in itself given the difference in resources and quality between Atletico and Real/Barca) but if he does go far in the CL as well then he surely has to be considered the current number 1 for sustaining success with a team like Atletico.

wait wait ... what the fuck did Simone achieve to deserve it? this must be like 3 years ago when folks were thinking Jergen Klopp as the next big thing

Have you been living in a bubble these past few years or something?

I'm not sure if I completely agree with everything, particularly the bit about Mourinho preferring passing defending. Our defenders are passive defenders, so that has to be taken into consideration. Terry does try to be proactive, against Spurs he was playing more as midfielder! I do agree though about our pressing. It's very easy to bypass. At St Mary's, Southampton were playing around our pressing quite easily (even with Matic and Mikel in central midfield).

We did press away to Southampton/Spurs, relatively big away games but our pressing was as you say very easy to bypass. In the biggest away games (e.g. City away, the latter stages of the CL) you can guarantee Mourinho will prefer passive defending and there will be little to no pressing which leads to the kind of performance and result we saw at City away this year and Atletico at home last year. Our defenders don't have to be particularly proactive for a pressing system - Atletico's depends mosty on the midfield and front 2 with the defence sitting relatively deep still. I remember Courtois saying that the defence here play higher up the pitch than they did at Atletico, yet they're the ones with an immaculate pressing system and ours is chaotic and often non-existent.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

You're asking him to stop defending the club and say out loud what everyone saw.

Go to sleep mate.

No I'm not.

I'm asking him to stop getting himself in trouble and prompting this situations. Refusing to do PCs breaches FA rules and he can be punished for it, if he is then people will get back on this 'campaign' crap. Shooting himself in the foot.

I love having Mourinho as our coach, there's no question of that. But getting himself in trouble by doing these things doesn't help us or him.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Expected Holland again or grumpy Mourinho on the pc next Friday.