The Mourinho Thread

[Polo7 3,496]

Well some of us actually do.

Would you have had we won the league?

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

Most people (me included) in the past few days after clicking on this thread:

But seriously this thread has been pretty embarrassing of late.

[Joker10 946]

How dare you! We should be winning the title and the champions league every season! We want a better manager, like Jurgen Klopp who has won sooooo many trophies this season. We deserve better. /end sarcasm.

The fact is when you play dire football and when you play like Norwich or Sunderland against good teams, trophies are expected. That is the nature of the beast, when your football style is shit and all you care about is result then trophies is only measure of success at that point.

If you play good and sustainable football then you have other ways to measure success. For example it gives you optimism for next season, and at a club like Chelsea with so much resources you expect it to be fixed. I don't believe parking the bus and being ultra conservative against any decent sides is a sustainable approach. It is a reason why we have dropped so much points against regulation contenders. Its difficult switching your style in such an extreme way, it makes almost impossible to have an organized and cohesive unit on the pitch. It is why we can't create for shit and why some are wondering what do the team do at practice because it doesn't look like we practice passing and building attacks. Sunderland and Norwich have literally given us a taste of our own medicines. It doesn't take a master class tactician to play that style.

Finally it also hinders the manager ability to identify the team weakness. For example after listening to him this week i am not sure if he knows this team weaknesses. For example his comments on Ramires-Matic partnership for next season was weird, Ramires has his uses but being a Chelsea regular is not one of them. Yeah we have a striker issue, we all know this but we have other holes and this point i am not sure if Mou knows this. So i truly cant say if this season has given Mou the opportunity to access the team weakness and identify its needs.

btw good football for me does not mean a lot of goals or sexy football. For me it is something we can build on, i am not sure what we can build on the way we have played.

[lionsden 4,689]

Would you have had we won the league?

Yes, I would have been happy and celebrated the victory as a fan of course but I would never accept or agree with Jose's method and way of doing things regardless of the trophies. You can be successful without being a complete twat ala Ancelotti, Klopp,Guardiola et al.

[dee25 1,044]

I think it's gotten to the point where a lot of the reactions to the criticisms of Mourinho are just as knee-jerk as some of the criticisms itself. I admit that a few of the posts I've read on here slating Mourinho have been over the top, but at the same time there're some that have been legitimate criticisms. The problem I'm seeing here is that regardless of whether there're unreasonable or valid, any criticism of Mourinho is being met with angry accusations of being a glory hunter. This is exactly the same thing some members did in the beginning of the season when a few were saying that Oscar doesn't give us enough creativity and shouldn't be played in the number 10 position ahead of Mata. It was the same kind of reaction.......... "mata fanboy", "plastic fan" "support the club not the player".

It's normal to respond angrily to unpopular opinions (I'm not excused from that myself) but to start making accusations and calling lionsden or whoever, a plastic supporter just because they dare to hold a contrasting opinion from the normative thinking, crosses the line of reason.

I don't agree with everything Lionsden or MrExcalibur have said but I just think it's ridiculous that they're being treated with so little civility by a few on here when really, they haven't said anything so outrageous to warrant that kind of treatment. It's not like they've said "Mourinho will be the death of Chelsea. Sack him now". What they've said is that Mourinho has certain flaws that they don't like and they've been brave enough to verbalize them rather than follow the flock.

Imo I think what we've seen in the champions league this season isn't really the "death of tika taka" but what can happen when a coach isn't flexible and when a coach prescribes too rigidly to one type of system.

Mourinho needs to evolve as a coach and he needs to evolve his tactics. If saying so makes me a shit supporter, then ya'll can kiss my ass.

[The Chels 2,502]

He might be controversial but MrExcalibur is stating facts. Mourinho is despised by other rival fans. Just look at the comments on skysports and goal for instance when we lost our match against Atletico. People rejoice at us failing. I am not bothered because I don't care what other people think. But he is spot on.

Wenger has not won anything for years at Arsenal but like people have said he has done a brilliant job over the years when you consider the resources they have compared to Mourinho. Like it or not it does look like Wenger will win a trophy this season with Mourinho trophyless. But I was looking the reactions when we lost against Sunderland, Atletico and compared it with teams such as Arsenal and he lost much more respect when he slated Wenger. Other fans/teams just hate us/Mourinho. I also think that is part of the reason Enrique of Liverpool made that jibe against us when we lost to Atletico.

Mourinho is generally hated by non-Chelsea fans. I respect him as I think he is a world class manager even though some of his antics annoys me. But just wanted to state that people need to stop casually throwing around him being a "fake fan". Comments like that. He may be controversial but his aforementioned post is spot on. Can't see how others disagree.

To be fair SAF was also widely hated.

[Blue Armour 4,448]

I'm still sorry Carlo left

I was thinking the same too...now a lot of fans wish he was back here...But thing is, back in 2010 when Inter knocked us out of the CL, many people were feeling the same way for Mourinho.

Guess the grass is always greener on the other side?

Anyway we are here, and I hope just for once, the current manager stays here for a bloody long time.

[Polo7 3,496]

Yes, I would have been happy and celebrated the victory as a fan of course but I would never accept or agree with Jose's method and way of doing things regardless of the trophies. You can be successful without being a complete twat ala Ancelotti, Klopp,Guardiola et al.

In what way is he a twat?

[Fernando 6,585]

I think it's gotten to the point where a lot of the reactions to the criticisms of Mourinho are just as knee-jerk as some of the criticisms itself. I admit that a few of the posts I've read on here slating Mourinho have been over the top, but at the same time there're some that have been legitimate criticisms. The problem I'm seeing here is that regardless of whether there're unreasonable or valid, any criticism of Mourinho is being met with angry accusations of being a glory hunter. This is exactly the same thing some members did in the beginning of the season when a few were saying that Oscar doesn't give us enough creativity and shouldn't be played in the number 10 position ahead of Mata. It was the same kind of reaction.......... "mata fanboy", "plastic fan" "support the club not the player".

It's normal to respond angrily to unpopular opinions (I'm not excused from that myself) but to start making accusations and calling lionsden or whoever, a plastic supporter just because they dare to hold a contrasting opinion from the normative thinking, crosses the line of reason.

I don't agree with everything Lionsden or MrExcalibur have said but I just think it's ridiculous that they're being treated with so little civility by a few on here when really, they haven't said anything so outrageous to warrant that kind of treatment. It's not like they've said "Mourinho will be the death of Chelsea. Sack him now". What they've said is that Mourinho has certain flaws that they don't like and they've been brave enough to verbalize them rather than follow the flock.

Imo I think what we've seen in the champions league this season isn't really the "death of tika taka" but what can happen when a coach isn't flexible and when a coach prescribes too rigidly to one type of system.

Mourinho needs to evolve as a coach and he needs to evolve his tactics. If saying so makes me a shit supporter, then ya'll can kiss my ass.

I love you, marry me now!

[Laylabelle 9,536]

I liked Carlo.It just seemed to go wrong then the players didn't seem to give a crap towards the end which didn't help...he looks like a cuddly grandad lol

[zolayes 14,489]

I was thinking the same too...now a lot of fans wish he was back here...But thing is, back in 2010 when Inter knocked us out of the CL, many people were feeling the same way for Mourinho.

Guess the grass is always greener on the other side?

Anyway we are here, and I hope just for once, the current manager stays here for a bloody long time.

if he starts being the coach of Chelsea and not The ........

[lionsden 4,689]

In what way is he a twat?

This must be a joke. Let's see: Constantly making controversial remarks about opposition manager's, teams and players, throwing his own players under the bus, Never taking responsibilities for his own failures and would rather blame every one but himself, cringeworthy press conferences and post match interviews from time to time. and that's just this season alone. . . . including the eye poke incident and such will be too obvious.

[sdrcfc 461]

For those of you who want Mourinho out, who knows why you would, who would you want to replace him?

[The Skipper 20,609]

I think it's gotten to the point where a lot of the reactions to the criticisms of Mourinho are just as knee-jerk as some of the criticisms itself. I admit that a few of the posts I've read on here slating Mourinho have been over the top, but at the same time there're some that have been legitimate criticisms. The problem I'm seeing here is that regardless of whether there're unreasonable or valid, any criticism of Mourinho is being met with angry accusations of being a glory hunter. This is exactly the same thing some members did in the beginning of the season when a few were saying that Oscar doesn't give us enough creativity and shouldn't be played in the number 10 position ahead of Mata. It was the same kind of reaction.......... "mata fanboy", "plastic fan" "support the club not the player".

It's normal to respond angrily to unpopular opinions (I'm not excused from that myself) but to start making accusations and calling lionsden or whoever, a plastic supporter just because they dare to hold a contrasting opinion from the normative thinking, crosses the line of reason.

I don't agree with everything Lionsden or MrExcalibur have said but I just think it's ridiculous that they're being treated with so little civility by a few on here when really, they haven't said anything so outrageous to warrant that kind of treatment. It's not like they've said "Mourinho will be the death of Chelsea. Sack him now". What they've said is that Mourinho has certain flaws that they don't like and they've been brave enough to verbalize them rather than follow the flock.

Imo I think what we've seen in the champions league this season isn't really the "death of tika taka" but what can happen when a coach isn't flexible and when a coach prescribes too rigidly to one type of system.

Mourinho needs to evolve as a coach and he needs to evolve his tactics. If saying so makes me a shit supporter, then ya'll can kiss my ass.

[zolayes 14,489]

For those of you who want Mourinho out, who knows why you would, who would you want to replace him?

its not wanting him out .. Its wanting him to GET better ,, If you think alienating your best players is a good idea .. History tells otherwise

[The Skipper 20,609]

For those of you who want Mourinho out, who knows why you would, who would you want to replace him?

Criticising certain aspects of what Mourinho does DOES NOT equal to wanting him out.

For some people though it seems to be that if you say anything slightly negative against Mourinho; that you're suddenly a plastic supporter or a glory hunter.

[zolayes 14,489]

yes dee pretty much said it all

[The Chels 2,502]

From recent interviews Mourinho is clearly suggesting that the Sunderland and Villa defeats can be justified (and not categorised in the same boat as the Palace game) because of the controversial refereeing decisions. I hope he doesn't actually believe that it was solely the referees' fault we lost those games — we were very poor and it's a bit delusional to think otherwise.

[LAM09 7,062]

I personally believe there isn't a better manager out there, but he needs to expand his gameplay. Defensive tactics can only take you so far. They have almost no use in games like today.

[Laylabelle 9,536]

From recent interviews Mourinho is clearly suggesting that the Sunderland and Villa defeats can be justified (and not categorised in the same boat as the Palace game) because of the controversial refereeing decisions. I hope he doesn't actually believe that it was solely the referees' fault we lost those games — we were very poor and it's a bit delusional to think otherwise.

Exactly.Cant blame the ref when the performance is shite to begin with

Needs to be a plan B which doesnt seem to be the case of late.I'd rather see us attack and go for it and loose then sit back defend and yet they sneak a goal or end up drawing mainly due to them not being able to finish their chances more then the other way round.Against some it works.Against the lower half or so it doesnt espically when they're not afraid and go for it themselves