The Mourinho Thread

[Jase 43,479]

11 hours ago, Blue Colored Sky said:

Mourinho achieved 5 straight Champions League semifinals between 2010-14 with 3 diffrent clubs (when his era has passed).

He might have reached 5 consecutive Champions League semi finals but he failed to reach the final on each occasion.

If you compare the number of trophies he's won post-2010 with 'between 2004 and 2010', you will find that the numbers have dropped. Between 2004 and 2010, he won 11 trophies (excluding Community Shield, Italian Super Cup, Spanish Super Cup). Since then, he's won only 4.

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[robsblubot 3,502]

Look at the player faces and remember what they looked like in the beginning of the season...

club wont release the info but they look visibly thinner and fitter now. It's quite obvious with ivanovic in particular.

was it Jose letting them lose after the title win, or club poor preseason planning? Both? Whoever becomes the manager needs to do better.

[Henrique 9,133]

On 2/11/2016 at 9:28 AM, Blue Colored Sky said:

Man, it's too early. WAYYY TOO EARLY. Why jump on the conclusion at this point ?

Mourinho achieved 5 straight Champions League semifinals between 2010-14 with 3 diffrent clubs (when his era has passed).

Guardiola never even got knocked out before semifinal. 6 semifinals out of 6.

 

Mourinho never reached UCL final with Chelsea, despite facing Liverpool in 2 occasions, a team that in both occasions was a waker side. Mourinho was fired, Chelsea achieved a UCL final, beating the same Liverpool. I don't understand how people only think about the positive aspects of Mourinho's conservative tactics, or how some people act like its only a matter of taste. Sometimes you get the feeling that Mourinho is more afraid of losing than anything else. Bigger the occasion, more conservative his tactics get. I mean, back in 2005, Chelsea was waaay stronger than Liverpool, but somehow Jose came up with ultra conservative tactics, and could not even score a goal in 180 minutes. The gap was not that huge in 2007, but Chelsea was still some steps above Liverpool. In my opinion the rivalry between him and Rafa affected the outcome of those games, it seems he was so obsessed with not losing, that he made it pretty difficult to actually win.

Think about 2008 semi-final. The first 15 minutes of extra-time was one of the most intense football I've ever seen from Chelsea. The team scored a goal that was off-side, then actually scored 2-1, then still pursued a 3rd goal. 3-1. Only in the last 15 minutes the team parked the bus, but I'm sure if Mourinho was in charge, probably the match would have been decided on penalties. 

Mourinho reached semi-finals 2 times with Real. He was fired, then Real actually won it.

Problem with Mourinho tactics is he is ultra conservative even when its not really necessary, thats one of the reasons he is a UCL Semifinal specialist. 

[nono 791]

We were all waiting for Mourinho to change. With regards to his tactics, with regards to his dealing with others. He never did. United fans are in for a very rude awakening. Most of them are delusional and believe being their manager will make Mourinho change. 

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[Essien19 1,415]

bring him back in the summer!

he is proper Chels!

[King11Didier 916]

Hope I don't see him at the sidelines in old trafford. If he goes for another English club, it will be obvious that he isn't loving Chelsea as much as he claims.
 

[raven8472 32]

Anyone else thinking after the shocking start to the season Mou didn't have the stomach to turn things around or desire to try new things and secretly wanted to be pushed.

I know the owners wife supported Eva and wondered if that support had a bearing on the decision to get rid of him. 

Preditions for him lasting at United , I'm down for 4 seasons as I think it's the job he really wants and will bend over to keep it. 

[Tautvix 1,321]

23 minutes ago, King11Didier said:

Hope I don't see him at the sidelines in old trafford. If he goes for another English club, it will be obvious that he isn't loving Chelsea as much as he claims.
 

As a Chelsea fan you just should be happy that Jose talks only good things about Chelsea and especially fans. He told so many times that if you sack him he will stay in England because he loves his family and they are happy there. I don't see any drama here unless Jose goes to United and tells they are his dream team.

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38 minutes ago, Tautvix said:

As a Chelsea fan you just should be happy that Jose talks only good things about Chelsea and especially fans. He told so many times that if you sack him he will stay in England because he loves his family and they are happy there. I don't see any drama here unless Jose goes to United and tells they are his dream team.

I'm not happy because I don't trust in his words anymore. If he don't go for manure he will show a nice gesture that he didn't lie when saying he loves Chelsea. But if he go there, he will confirm that you can't trust in any of his words.

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6 minutes ago, King11Didier said:

I'm not happy because I don't trust in his words anymore. If he don't go for manure he will show a nice gesture that he didn't lie when saying he loves Chelsea. But if he go there, he will confirm that you can't trust in any of his words.

What are you talking about? His word was he will go to other English team if Chelsea sack him. Jose never told he won't manage other English team. That was his word and it's very honest...

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6 minutes ago, King11Didier said:

I'm not happy because I don't trust in his words anymore. If he don't go for manure he will show a nice gesture that he didn't lie when saying he loves Chelsea. But if he go there, he will confirm that you can't trust in any of his words.

Mascherano:

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“My feelings for Liverpool don’t mean I’m tied to them. I have a lot of affection for them and always will have, but if in the future a Premier League team gave me a chance, you can’t say: ‘No, I’d only play for one team,’” he says. “We’re professionals, this is our living. Whatever happens, my feelings for Liverpool won’t change.

 

[King11Didier 916]

Mascherano What an example. I'm sure he will even play for Everton if they give him more than Barca and he won't even think twice.
I know they are professionals and they do this for a living. What I'm talking abouts is something different. If he really loves the club(said that not only once in interviews), he won't take manure's job so easy. So he have said if he gets the sack from the team he loves. he will manage another top team from England, of course, bacause he loves the country. OK. Now I know he doesn't love Chelsea and is ready to give all his heart to united. Losing me here as his big fan.

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2 minutes ago, King11Didier said:

Mascherano What an example. I'm sure he will even play for Everton if they give him more than Barca and he won't even think twice.
I know they are professionals and they do this for a living. What I'm talking abouts is something different. If he really loves the club(said that not only once in interviews), he won't take manure's job so easy. So he have said if he gets the sack from the team he loves. he will manage another top team from England, of course, bacause he loves the country. OK. Now I know he doesn't love Chelsea and is ready to give all his heart to united. Losing me here as his big fan.

So basically the same happened with Juan Mata. He really loved the club (said not only once in interviews). And what happened? He ended up joining United. So in your standarts he shouldn't have joined them only because he loves us. Unless you hate Juan too now.

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The differences are that Juan is a player and Mou is a manager. Mou will have bigger impact for utd if he goes there, And Mata wasn't for such a long time with the club and hasn't the same strong connection between the fans and him as Mou.

[stroey 2,525]

The career of a manager differs a lot from that of a footballer, for that reason it is really difficult not to go to a rival club. 

1) A career of a manager at top level is a lot longer than that of a professional footballer: take Jose for example, he started coaching Porto (first big club) when he was 39 years old and came to us for the first time when he was 41. Currently he is already for about 13 years in the business, that's a long time but he could easily coach at top level for another 17 years, that makes 30 years in total. The same goes for other young talented managers like Pochettino and Simeone, or examples that already happened like Sir Alex and Wenger. 

And what is the average career length of a professional footballer at top level? Let's say if you take the Giggs, Seedorfs and Totti's as example, that's 20 years as maximum for players to perform at top level at a top club, but the average is closer to 15 years and that's already above the average I think. So that makes 30 years versus 15 years. 

2) The second thing is, as a manager nowadays your career is very unstable and fragile. You don't have your faith in your own hands, I think nobody here could say Jose did badly in his first spell for us, but yet he was sacked in his 4th season. Or if you look like Carlo recently, won La Decima but still got sacked after a trophy-less season. There are many more examples, but bar Pep every top manager has been recycled multiple times in the last 10 years .Managers are like clothes nowadays, the owners just changes clothes whenever they want.  

Compare this to the average stay of players at a club, look at Aurier for example, how is it possible that he isn't sacked yet? Because players have a resale value and managers normally don't have that, that makes it difficult to get rid of players if they don't want to move. Look at our own club: the likes of Mikel and Oscar are just waste of space but if they don't want to move- you can hardly push them to move, especially Mikel who was often not even on the bench but still stayed at the club because he has a contract. 

Conclusion:
So I just wanted to make clear that the chance of a manager to join rival clubs is much bigger because they (average) 1) have a longer career and 2) a shorter stay per club than a footballer. So we can't really blame Jose if he moves to Man United after being sacked twice by Roman, unless you expect him to go to small clubs in England as his family wants to stay in England.