The Mourinho Thread

[DYC. 7,542]

Ancelotti had lost squad depth and various important players, Ballack, Deco and so on.

This is a totally different case where the same personnel are performing awfully.

You do realise that just makes things harder for Ancelotti, which makes Mourinho's case worse.

Mourinho isn't on the pitch playing, the players are. The same ones that walked the league. Mourinho isn't on our left wing, he isn't in midfield, and he isn't a defender.

He sets them out and prepares them just has he did last season when they were good. They're not performing to standard.

So what you are saying is different rules apply to Mourinho because he's Mourinho. Got it.

[DYC. 7,542]

To expand on my POV, I think the fact that run happened mid season (meaning our position in the table didn't look so disastrous) helps make that run look better but for me that is our worst run in the Roman era, probably our worse since the Zola, RDM, Vialli invasion.

I read somewhere a while back that if the season started against Sunderland (0-3), we would have only got out of the relegation zone (ironically) after the 4-2 win at the Stadium of the light.

Also 're Carlo I think it was a similar split to what's on here now 're Jose, some gave him some of the blame (like I do then and now), some layed it firmly on his door and others refused to blame him and targeted the players.

I'm not just talking about the fans though. He was sacked. So he didn't get the chance to fix things .

[Tomo 21,751]

The introduction of a single player cannot be the solution to this mess. It runs way deeper than simply dropping Ivanovich and fabregas and introducing rlc and baba.

I believe there's a huge tactical and fitness issue with this team and the confidence is at an all time low.

Rlc won't suddenly make us creative again nor will baba turn us into a clean sheet machine.

That is why I said to Didierforever that dropping Ivan (as much as it should happen) will barely solve the defensive issue, from the little I've seen of Baba he is still very raw and isn't the best positionally, he will also get targeted just like Ivan is right now.

What we need to work on is the spine, I mean take 05-06 for example, Del Horno was useless and every bit as bad as Ivanovic is right now, but we still ended the season with only 22 goals allowed because of the centre defence and centre midfield.

I'm not for a second trying to defend Brana, but a solid CB partnership with an in form Matic (we already have two top keepers) and we would barely concede no matter how shit Ivanovic was playing.

[Tomo 21,751]

I'm not just talking about the fans though. He was sacked. So he didn't get the chance to fix things .

At the time I wanted him to stay (even created a detailed article as to why) but in hindsight I thibk we made the right choice, mainly because of his predictable tactics, I know that's the case with Jose right now, but for most of his career he has been pretty flexible tactically whereas Carlo has always looked lost in games that go wrong, so I'm clinging on to the fact he will find that side to him again.

It's wierd tho, all his career he has made choices for the best of the team but is completely choking with Ivan and Cesc, same with LVG/Rooney.

[mediator 2,026]

Jose Mourinho charged for misconduct following comments made after Southampton match http://the-fa.com/28pgPe

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34449753?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=sport

He asked for it tbh telling the ref was shit

[DYC. 7,542]

At the time I wanted him to stay (even created a detailed article as to why) but in hindsight I thibk we made the right choice, mainly because of his predictable tactics, I know that's the case with Jose right now, but for most of his career he has been pretty flexible tactically whereas Carlo has always looked lost in games that go wrong, so I'm clinging on to the fact he will find that side to him again.

It's wierd tho, all his career he has made choices for the best of the team but is completely choking with Ivan and Cesc, same with LVG/Rooney.

I can agree with that.

[kmk108 1,186]

So what you are saying is different rules apply to Mourinho because he's Mourinho. Got it.

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying that the manager sets up everything, but it's up to the players to perform during the 90 minutes.

[DYC. 7,542]

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying that the manager sets up everything, but it's up to the players to perform during the 90 minutes.

I asked him a question and he said Mourinho's not to blame. Yet Ancelotti was.

I just find some fans inconsistent in their reasoning. We apparently have Mourinho to thank for past succes but this is on the players.

[lucio 5,418]

He asked for it tbh telling the ref was shit

He was shit.... in favour of us....

[Pizy 18,852]

You do realise that just makes things harder for Ancelotti, which makes Mourinho's case worse.

So what you are saying is different rules apply to Mourinho because he's Mourinho. Got it.

That's not what I'm saying at all but since since you asked, yes, he should get more leeway than anyone else. God knows he's earned it with what he achieved.

A couple more results like we've had and he should be gone which is what I've said for the past couple of days.

[lionsden 4,689]

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying that the manager sets up everything, but it's up to the players to perform during the 90 minutes.

If this is the case, why fire any manager at all? Couldn't the same apply to every single manager that's ever been sacked due to poor performance in the history of football?

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

The introduction of a single player cannot be the solution to this mess. It runs way deeper than simply dropping Ivanovich and fabregas and introducing rlc and baba.

I believe there's a huge tactical and fitness issue with this team and the confidence is at an all time low.

Rlc won't suddenly make us creative again nor will baba turn us into a clean sheet machine.

When RLC and Ramires have played (and I'm not a Ramires fan, as didierforever will confirm) we have played much better. We haven't had the opportunity to see the team against proper opposition without Ivanovic, so therefore I won't comment on it. I also think Ramires is staying here - so Jose will train with him and he will likely play.

But Matic is the start of the turning over. Subbing the sub was very harsh but Mourinho was right - he has been looking worse than Mikel lately, misplacing passes, getting bundled off the ball by players he steamrolled this time last season, and just looking rather stranded out there - and considering he made our midfield tick along with Oscar in the first half of 14/15 I'm imagining that Jose reckons that he's the first player who needs to restart, and asap.

I'd imagine that unless the players play brilliantly for their NT, quite a few players will be getting dropped. I won't be risky enough to say that Iva will be dropped, but I'd imagine that with Cahill away with England our starting CBs will be JT and Zouma, who will remain at Cobham I believe. Maybe if Iva is awful with Serbia he will finally be dropped.

Also we have missed Diego so much these last matches. FA punished us big style with this one - Falcao is a gimp and Remy looks toothless, more like a winger than a striker... Against Villa I might well bet he gets a hat trick, he will step up and is one of the leaders in the dressing room imo.

Willian has stepped up. Fantastic so far this season. Kenedy should get a start, Hazard has run out of free passes imo.

I expect (NT form depending)

Begovic

Azpi Zouma Terry Baba

RLC Rami

Kenedy Oscar Willian

COSTA

In my mind Jose has the next 2 games to turn things around (I'm going to both Villa and West Ham) and if he plays the same team then he can, quite frankly, fuck off.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Jose Mourinho charged for misconduct following comments made after Southampton match http://the-fa.com/28pgPe

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34449753?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=sport

Sigh - next the conspiracy theory will be out in full swing - yet another thing to blame

[DYC. 7,542]

That's not what I'm saying at all but since since you asked, yes, he should get more leeway than anyone else. God knows he's earned it with what he achieved.

A couple more results like we've had and he should be gone which is what I've said for the past couple of days.

I understand that. He has credit. Deservedly so. But that doesn't mean you can't blame him.

Saying the players have turned crap on him is too easy. An entire team doesn't decide to perform poorly just like that. Something is wrong.

[kmk108 1,186]

I asked him a question and he said Mourinho's not to blame. Yet Ancelotti was.

I just find some fans inconsistent in their reasoning. We apparently have Mourinho to thank for past succes but this is on the players.

I don't know if you're saying he blames Ancelotti or not, because I haven't seen him say that (but I haven't been following your conversation). He doesn't say Mourinho isn't to blame. He says the players deserve more blame. There's a difference. It's not black and white.