Henrique 9,133 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 3 hours ago, Adnane said: When will the "Rafa did well for us" myth stop ? Chelsea was 3 points off the top when he came, in the run for winning the Club world cup and in the two english Cups as well. He finished 15 POINTS off the champions, that is a disgrace, even we, in this disastrous situation have only 19 points off Arsenal at the moment, I don't think people here realize how bad he coped with the Premier League... Won the Europa League, struggling against the likes of Rubin Kazan and needing an injury time winner against the likes of Sparta Prague... We really don't care, we had better objectives, which were mainly qualify for next season champion's league, but also challenge for the title, we lost FA Cup semis, Carling cup semis and CWC final while getting -12 points under him on the league... He did well considering the circunstancies of that season. When Rafa arrived, it was pretty clear the team would not finish above United, and it was clear the team would struggle to even finish in the top 4. RDM lacked any decent tactical skill, and it was easily the most disorganized Chelsea I've ever seen since I started watching games. FA Cup and Curling Cup are never objectives. Europa League was pretty fun to watch, and nothing wrong in defeating Sparta Prague in injury time or struggling against Kazan, specially because those teams care more about that competition, and Chelsea is one of the few big european teams that won the EL after getting out of UCL. United was pretty solid, and the team was a mess. Challenging for the tittle was never a possibility after RDM was sacked. Tomo, AWorriedChelseaFan and LDN Blue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 4 hours ago, Adnane said: Mourinho took the same team within 4 points of the champions ( and a couple of dropped points at home on the road ), and to the semis of the CL. Not comparing Mourinho to Benitez, the comparison doesn't even stand for me, but saying that he had a bad team, maybe, I'd even say for sure since it showed its limitations afterwards, but he had the team to at least challenge for the title till the last 3-4 games. It's not a linear equation. I'm sorry but these kind of comparisons are way too simplistic. It's like saying Stoke beat City and Sunderland beat Stoke so Sunderland are better than City. There are soooo many other factors. If anything, Jose would not have been able to take that team close to the championship if it weren't for the work that Rafa did, because under RDM we simply didn't resemble anything like a team. For me, the importance of the work that Benitez did was not the winning the EL (though that was great to win) it was that he enlisted some sort of system in the team and helped key players such as Azpi, Hazard, Luiz...etc. develop as players and in that system which set us up for the successes of the next couple of seasons under Jose. Henrique, Tomo and LDN Blue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid Angel 2,130 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Rafa's problems at Madrid had more to do with dire Football, with or without results. Plus, he was always a mistake for Madrid. His team's record against top opposition in this season is horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino's Skin 972 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 2 hours ago, Pizy said: Fuck. Was still holding out a glimmer of hope that Mou wouldn return to Madrid. Only one possible destination now. Goddamnit. Next season will be a pain watching José at United. Dunno about that...there is a team that's just as quick to commute to from London as Manchester is ( think he is keeping his family in London residence).....with a shedload of money and superstar players just a short hop across the channel that might well be interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,996 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 40 minutes ago, Rhino's Skin said: Dunno about that...there is a team that's just as quick to commute to from London as Manchester is ( think he is keeping his family in London residence).....with a shedload of money and superstar players just a short hop across the channel that might well be interested Meh. Don't think PSG is of interest to him. He'd be bored out of his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino's Skin 972 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, Pizy said: Meh. Don't think PSG is of interest to him. He'd be bored out of his mind. Even if he does end up in Manchester....why would it be painful? Can't see what the big deal is if we have sacked someone, free to go wherever they want........had he asked to leave to go to another club, that's different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 9 minutes ago, Rhino's Skin said: Even if he does end up in Manchester....why would it be painful? Can't see what the big deal is if we have sacked someone, free to go wherever they want........had he asked to leave to go to another club, that's different United football would be painful to watch, he means. Styles, Last Sicarius and Miki-Liki 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino's Skin 972 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Henrique said: United football would be painful to watch, he means. He clearly states it would be a pain watching Jose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,996 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 34 minutes ago, Rhino's Skin said: Even if he does end up in Manchester....why would it be painful? Can't see what the big deal is if we have sacked someone, free to go wherever they want........had he asked to leave to go to another club, that's different Doesn't matter to me how he ends up there. Seeing our best (and my personal favorite) manager ever at the helm of a club I despise will be painful. He's a success wherever he goes and he'll be one there. Which in turn means we'll likely be less successful. Essien19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino's Skin 972 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, Pizy said: Doesn't matter to me how he ends up there. Seeing our best (and my personal favorite) manager ever at the helm of a club I despise will be painful. He's a success wherever he goes and he'll be one there. Which in turn means we'll likely be less successful. I wouldn't worry about it...its just football. Seen many managers come and go...same with players. Just wish them luck and move on Muzchap and Last Sicarius 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 34 minutes ago, Rhino's Skin said: He clearly states it would be a pain watching Jose No kidding. Styles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,160 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 13 hours ago, Pizy said: Meh. Don't think PSG is of interest to him. He'd be bored out of his mind. Vice versa I think he would bore PSG fans and players out their mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,603 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Manuel Pellegrini: I’d rather win title and be sacked than fail and stay http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/05/manchester-city-manuel-pellegrini-title-sack hehehe Pelle with another dig at Mourinho. But after all is said and done with Pellegrini having funds in a big team in the same scenario as Mourinho they have proven to be similar. Okay manager that can win things here and there but nothing so amazing. This is proof enough for me that as long as we spend good and have an okay manager we will be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tautvix 1,321 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 10 minutes ago, Fernando said: Manuel Pellegrini: I’d rather win title and be sacked than fail and stay http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/05/manchester-city-manuel-pellegrini-title-sack hehehe Pelle with another dig at Mourinho. But after all is said and done with Pellegrini having funds in a big team in the same scenario as Mourinho they have proven to be similar. Okay manager that can win things here and there but nothing so amazing. This is proof enough for me that as long as we spend good and have an okay manager we will be good. And who are these "okay managers". The only two "okay managers" we had in 11 years are Mourinho and Ancelotti and it's clearly not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,603 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 24 minutes ago, Tautvix said: And who are these "okay managers". The only two "okay managers" we had in 11 years are Mourinho and Ancelotti and it's clearly not enough. Pellegrini is an okay manager as well. I think Pochetino is in that same bracket. If we get him we would do good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tautvix 1,321 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Fernando said: Pellegrini is an okay manager as well. I think Pochetino is in that same bracket. If we get him we would do good. YH we would. Until they lose players. This somehow always happens at Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted January 6, 2016 Popular Post! Share Posted January 6, 2016 Comparing José an "okay" manager to Pellegrini.....things i have to read in here. stroey, Ainsley Harriott, HD3D and 13 others 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,603 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Tautvix said: YH we would. Until they lose players. This somehow always happens at Chelsea. Only Scolari, AVB and Mourinho. Other then that nope. Pochetino is a much easier guy to work with then all these mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tautvix 1,321 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 4 minutes ago, Fernando said: Only Scolari, AVB and Mourinho. Other then that nope. Pochetino is a much easier guy to work with then all these mentioned. Well interim managers don't have enough time to lose the dressing room lol so that's why this list looks short Essien19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,603 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 28 minutes ago, Tautvix said: Well interim managers don't have enough time to lose the dressing room lol so that's why this list looks short Well Scolari and AVB where around the same length of time as interim managers time. So nope that rule doesn't apply here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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