The Mourinho Thread

[The only place to be 11,313]

Indeed. I would be much more accepting of Mourinho's decision to sideline Mata if he was consistent in his approach. Seems like he wants the players to be more all-round, but the fact that he plays Ramires and Ivanovic every game says it all really.

He also plays Eden Hazard, Oscar and Willian in most games. These are fantastically exciting players but he isn't adverse to throwing in some work/warhorses at the same time to balance it out and keep things tight at the back.

Then again he goes defensive when we're winning, which at times is really annoying. Winning 3-0 vs United and a thrasing could well have been the order of the day. They themselves sensed it bringing on a defender.

Are you seriously moaning about us not beating United by more than 3-1???

We've beat them 5-0 in the past but it didn't make us any more likely to win the title. That was a fantastic result.

while when we were leading 3-0 against United (or lead in any game) we decide to shut up shop rather than hunt for more. Why all this negativity?

Because we were beating the league leaders 3-0 at home so why bother risking it? Sorry, but I have to ask....what the fuck do you want?

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

Tactical genius is Mourinho! Never realised the point of the game was to win!

So that means all other manager's philosophy is to lose?

btw even that winning thing u said can be argued against since he has gone into some games this season just looking to draw lol

Winning in the greater context. Looking at the games at Old trafford and the Emirates in isolation is missing the bigger picture. When I say he's driven by a philosophy to win, I mean his philosophy in the grand scheme of things isn't driven by an inclination to play a particular style of attacking football like Arsenal neither is it to defend. Unlike Wenger for example (who was beating Barca at emirates but went to camp nou and lost 4-0) Mourinho isn't so naive that he will stick to one philosophy but changes it for each game depending on what is required to win trophies in the grand scheme of things. ala. Inter Milan v Barca.

[generaldane 64]

Winning in the greater context. Looking at the games at Old trafford and the Emirates in isolation is missing the bigger picture. When I say he's driven by a philosophy to win, I mean his philosophy in the grand scheme of things isn't driven by an inclination to play a particular style of attacking football like Arsenal neither is it to defend. Unlike Wenger for example (who was beating Barca at emirates but went to camp nou and lost 4-0) Mourinho isn't so naive that he will stick to one philosophy but changes it for each game depending on what is required to win trophies in the grand scheme of things. ala. Inter Milan v Barca.

Precisely simply trying to classify Mou's as being defensive or offensive is disingenuous, as he realized that winning things in the grand scheme depends more on flexiblity than anything else and his records speaks for itself I would think that in his mind the ends almost always justify the means which is why you'll seem him play 'negative' (lol) football to get results.

[bushman 2,043]

Of course winning is everything. Has Jose discovered how to attack when the other team parks 10 players in front of the box ?

[The Chels 2,502]

He also plays Eden Hazard, Oscar and Willian in most games. These are fantastically exciting players but he isn't adverse to throwing in some work/warhorses at the same time to balance it out and keep things tight at the back.

I don't think you actually even addressed my point. Are you referring to Ivanovic and Ramires as 'work/warhorses'? LOL. Yes let's put technically inept players at the core of the team because they work hard - passing the ball to the opposition and row Z must really take the life out of them.

Are you seriously moaning about us not beating United by more than 3-1???

We've beat them 5-0 in the past but it didn't make us any more likely to win the title. That was a fantastic result.

Because we were beating the league leaders 3-0 at home so why bother risking it? Sorry, but I have to ask....what the fuck do you want?

Let's not pretend most Chelsea fans (except you who deems any Mourinho move fantastic) weren't disappointed that on the one occasion there was a heavy chance of running riot against a poor United side there for the taking Mourinho decided to shut up shop and they ended up with a much more respectable scoreline.

[Shane 2,275]

This thread is turning ridiculous. When a result doesn't go our way, people come here to bash one of the greatest managers ever in the game. Its sad really.

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

Of course winning is everything. Has Jose discovered how to attack when the other team parks 10 players in front of the box ?

Have Barcelona and Bayern?

But in all seriousness I think yesterday was nothing less than a freak game.

[Barbara 15,149]

Just a quick question I'd like to ask you all?

Liverpool were leading 4-0 at home to Everton and went on the hunt for more,

while when we were leading 3-0 against United (or lead in any game) we decide to shut up shop rather than hunt for more. Why all this negativity?

The only negativity I see is your approach about it. We are not Liverpool or City. It's beyond me why people insist on the comparison.

Winning 3x0 I'm a happy cookie and don't give a fuck about what would Liverpool or City do!!!!

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[bushman 2,043]

Have Barcelona and Bayern?

But in all seriousness bro I think yesterday was nothing less than a freak game.

Not yet.

[The Chels 2,502]

This thread is turning ridiculous. When a result doesn't go our way, people come here to bash one of the greatest managers ever in the game. Its sad really.

Well it would help if you actually addressed the concerns rather than deeming any criticism of Mourinho as a knee-jerk reaction to the loss. If you read the forums you'd see my concerns with Ramires' and Ivanovic's technical ineptitude hindering our performances is shared by many and has been for a while.

[Barbara 15,149]

This thread is turning ridiculous. When a result doesn't go our way, people come here to bash one of the greatest managers ever in the game. Its sad really.

Well it would help if you actually addressed the concerns rather than deeming any criticism of Mourinho as a knee-jerk reaction to the loss. If you read the forums you'd see my concerns with Ramires and Ivanovic's technical ineptitude is shared by many and has been for a while.

Except I just answered a post among a few saying how Mourinho blows things off, makes us defensive and doesn't provide enough goals for Chelsea fans... you may have a point I even agree with but this thread has a lot of bullshit about Mou as a manager which is different from making specific complaints as you did.

I had a lot of problems with the lineup too. It means in my opinion he made a mistake not that he sucks bc he doesn't aim to win 6x0 like City do.

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[The only place to be 11,313]

I don't think you actually even addressed my point. Are you referring to Ivanovic and Ramires as 'work/warhorses'? LOL. Yes let's put technically inept players at the core of the team because they work hard - passing the ball to the opposition and row Z must really take the life out of them.

The right-back isn't the heart of the team. Fact is we've spent £21 million on Matic who combines what you want....so what the fuck are you still moaning about??

I'd like to see both of them phased out of the team but it takes time. Mourinho has done a tremendous amount in his first season.

Let's not pretend most Chelsea fans (except you who deems any Mourinho move fantastic) weren't disappointed that on the one occasion there was a heavy chance of running riot against a poor United side there for the taking Mourinho decided to shut up shop and they ended up with a much more respectable scoreline.

Yes...all around the Bridge were sad faces that we didn't get a fourth against United.

[The Chels 2,502]

The right-back isn't the heart of the team. Fact is we've spent £21 million on Matic who combines what you want....so what the fuck are you still moaning about??

I'd like to see both of them phased out of the team but it takes time. Mourinho has done a tremendous amount in his first season.

Yes...all around the Bridge were sad faces that we didn't get a fourth against United.

Are you incapable of asking a question without using the word 'fuck'? By your logic the arrival of a good player should exonerate players who make the same mistakes over and over and the manager who constantly picks them when there are better alternatives (at least there should be with a better CM replacing Ramires, although I heavily doubt such a move will come to fruition in the forseeable future). Incredible reasoning! Ivanovic might as well be classed as being 'the heart of the team' given how he seems to be an untouchable and how often has the opportunity to make something happen in the game, which becomes all the more noticeable when he fluffs his lines and the ball ends up in row Z. There have been absolutely no signs of him being phased out.

Except I just answered a post among a few saying how Mourinho blows things off, us defensive and doesn't provide enough goals for Chelsea fans... you may have a point I even agree with but this thread has a lot of bullshit about Mou as a manager which is different from making specific complaints as you did.

I had a lot of problems with the lineup too. It means in my opinion he made a mistake not that he sucks bc he doesn't aim to win 6x0 like City do.

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Fair enough. What's frustrating me is people being dismissive or irrational when trying to argue against any negativity towards Mourinho's decisions (like the starting eleven) because he is always right, of course. His record proves that, don't you know?!

[The only place to be 11,313]

Are you incapable of asking a question without using the word 'fuck'? By your logic the arrival of a good player should exonerate players who make the same mistakes over and over and the manager who constantly picks them when there are better alternatives (at least there should be with a better CM replacing Ramires, although I heavily doubt such a move will come to fruition in the forseeable future). Incredible reasoning! Ivanovic might as well be classed as being 'the heart of the team' given how often he has the opportunity to make something happen in the game, which becomes all the more noticeable when he fluffs his lines and the ball ends up in row Z.

I don't have to use the word fuck but it does a good job of highlighting my frustration with people who use a 3-1 win over United as a sign of us being unambitious and 'the fans' being disappointed we didn't go for more.

As for Rami and Ivanovic, they're not perfect but they do add certain things to our team. Ramires had a bad game and I think we will replace him somewhere down the line. Ivanovic has his uses, but I think the amount of bitching that has gone on after we created 39 chances against a team who came to defend is a bit of a joke to be honest.

[duo11bluecl 207]

Really could see the interview after Monday and we draw City in a dour 0-0 game.

Reporter: Last week, you said West Ham played 19th century football, what about Chelsea today?

Mou: Today was a great result, we didn't concede any goals, not many teams are able to do that this season. Also we are the 1st team to take points off them at home, so I am very happy with my players. They are a very good team, so getting a point here is a great result.

Reporter: What about your approach?

Mou: We didn't play negative football, we play amazing defensive football

Because he is Mourinho and he is the boss

[The Chels 2,502]

I don't have to use the word fuck but it does a good job of highlighting my frustration with people who use a 3-1 win over United as a sign of us being unambitious and 'the fans' being disappointed we didn't go for more.

As for Rami and Ivanovic, they're not perfect but they do add certain things to our team. Ramires had a bad game and I think we will replace him somewhere down the line. Ivanovic has his uses, but I think the amount of bitching that has gone on after we created 39 chances against a team who came to defend is a bit of a joke to be honest.

At home winning 3-0 against one of the worst teams United, who have been our main domestic rivals for the last decade, have put out in many a year with the best part of 45 minutes to go and to then sit back, defend and almost wait for their inevitable goal may not be disappointing for you but it damn well is to me. It isn't just about beating them but also sending a message, furthering confidence in the squad and furthering their setback instead of ending with a dross of a display and letting them leave with a very respectable scoreline.

[The only place to be 11,313]

At home winning 3-0 against one of the worst teams United, who have been our main domestic rivals for the last decade, have put out in many a year with the best part of 45 minutes to go and to then sit back, defend and almost wait for their inevitable goal may not be disappointing for you but it damn well is to me.

Boo, and indeed hoo.

Sounds a little spoilt to me to be honest.

[Tomo 21,733]

Tactical genius is Mourinho! Never realised the point of the game was to win!

So that means all other manager's philosophy is to lose?

btw even that winning thing u said can be argued against since he has gone into some games this season just looking to draw lol

Fergie was always tactful in big away games just like Jose was at OT and The Emirates. Just because he wasn't stupid in approach doesn't mean he didn't want to win, away games against big teams managers try and win but are also wary a draw is a good result.

Also its quite frankly bizarre how its never mentioned Arsenal and United were just as cautious that night, guess it doesn't fit with the Jose myth.