kellzfresh 7,229 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Are you not asking too much of Jose ?My biggest gripe with him is: Around 25 good players are on the team, but he plays 13-14 of them. Has no starting lineup, as you posted, disfavored Mata, Schurrle now, Luiz is not good enough, Bertrand picks his nose...on & on. If he was like Rafa, what do you think we would have seen here, posted about him ? I know, all swear words in English language would be here. At madrid, he had far more players but he stuck to ozil, ronaldo, benzema and dimaria and xabi alonso. These 5 players played everytime and got high chemistry and understanding. So far he has just been switching and turning and its beginning to get on my nerves. If the team doesnt get team chemistry, we are doomed to fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I can name arsenal, mancity and bayern munich lineups before i see the matchBut with us??? This is a bigger problem than we think, AVB was the last manager that was changing and chopping players and you can see how much of a massive fail he was. We have to find our own starting lineup or we are a disaster waiting to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 At madrid, he had far more players but he stuck to ozil, ronaldo, benzema and dimaria and xabi alonso. These 5 players played everytime and got high chemistry and understanding. So far he has just been switching and turning and its beginning to get on my nerves. If the team doesnt get team chemistry, we are doomed to fail.Well, predominately I agree with you. However, I still feel Jose is going to wake up soon & rotate the team, gives Mata, Luiz more playing time, I hope. The above poster mentioned, the team has no fluidity in the attack from the back four. Then I ask who is capable to bring the ball forward ? Cahill, JT are not. Azpi partially & Ivan runs with it & hoofs it into nowhere land. Luiz makes mistakes, but still knows how to start an attack, I feel. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 For Schurlle, I don't understand as for me he's more a Mourinho player that our other attacking midfielders.His problem is he doesnt take chances. But when he plays, we seem to create a host of chances he has to play more. We had our best run of form in october where he played a lot of matches. Now, he has been benched all of a sudden Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Well, predominately I agree with you. However, I still feel Jose is going to wake up soon & rotate the team, gives Mata, Luiz more playing time, I hope. The above poster mentioned, the team has no fluidity in the attack from the back four. Then I ask who is capable to bring the ball forward ? Cahill, JT are not. Azpi partially & Ivan runs with it & hoofs it into nowhere land. Luiz makes mistakes, but still knows how to start an attack, I feel. Cahill makes even more mistakes in every aspect of the game, and yet he always comes out unscathed. I'd sooner play Ivanovic as CB over him. Aspi at right back and Ryan at LB while Cole is unfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 His problem is he doesnt take chances. But when he plays, we seem to create a host of chances he has to play moreSchurrle & William ought to be on the pitch much more, I feel. Yesterday, William tried hard, fought for the ball, badgered the opposition... while Jose was taking notes. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Cahill makes even more mistakes in every aspect of the game, and yet he always comes out unscathed. I'd sooner play Ivanovic as CB over him. Aspi at right back and Ryan at LB while Cole is unfit.You may have something there, but Ivan should be rested, I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidzeret 2,257 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Seems a long time ago that embrace when Schurrle took apart Bucharest away, the lad for me is a super player and I am not sure why he isn't being played.Mata not playing- agreed, not suiting our style and also with Oscar's form.But not playing Shurrle is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Today, just one thing still puzzles me in Jose´s statements.The players did not performed well, last night, he says. Well said Jose, but why ?How about, I JOSE the bombastic manager trusted the players to perform as well as against WH & played them, but I should have rested several of them. Sorry boys, I screwed up. The team qualified because the other two teams are not much to write home about & we are going to win at home our next game & let´s move forward. Thank you for your understanding. Oh boy, am I good or what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Mata not playing- agreed, not suiting our style and also with Oscar's form.But not playing Shurrle is beyond me. Mata does not suit Chelsea´s style & what style is that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Mata does not suit Chelsea´s style & what style is that ?Counter-attack. I'm not saying I'm happy with that being the style by the way, but it's obvious what the plan is: defend deep and break quickly. Now Mata is a quality player but he doesn't really have the legs for that sort of game. Sidzeret 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Counter-attack. I'm not saying I'm happy with that being the style by the way, but it's obvious what the plan is: defend deep and break quickly. Now Mata is a quality player but he doesn't really have the legs for that sort of game.Well, Mata does not have the legs, you posted & who does, then ?Frank, Oscar, Mikel, Rami do ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Well, Mata does not have the legs, you posted & who does, then ?Frank, Oscar, Mikel, Rami do ?That's the thing, I agree with your sentiment. We don't have many players suited to any style of football which is why we almost always play crap, disjointed football. There has been very little thought, if any, that has gone into how our squad has been built. It's just a random assortment of players thrown together with no idea how each player affects the other(s) and the overall style of play. I've just learnt to accept that's how things are and try not to complain much any more to be honest. Strike, CHOULO19 and darrus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidzeret 2,257 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Well, Mata does not have the legs, you posted & who does, then ?Frank, Oscar, Mikel, Rami do ?They obviously got better legs than Mata for the Mourinho style of play. But Mata did thrive the previous season because of a more fluid style rather than counter attack. So far he hasn't been able to work out the new style. He's definitely trying, which was evident from the Swindon game but never really got hold of the new way here. It's gonna be even harder to return back to the winger role he used to play so well at Valencia. Then again, who am I to argue with bushman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSunshine 672 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 That's the thing, I agree with your sentiment. We don't have many players suited to any style of football which is why we almost always play crap, disjointed football. There has been very little thought, if any, that has gone into how our squad has been built. It's just a random assortment of players thrown together with no idea how each player affects the other(s) and the overall style of play. I've just learnt to accept that's how things are and try not to complain much any more to be honest.I agree with everything that you said but one thing. I would have been also ok with it if we were let's say a mid table club. If you consider how much money those players have cost, how much they earn and the fact that we have one of the top managers and facilities, then it's unacceptable. There are no excuses for me. Jase, Styles and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 They obviously got better legs than Mata for the Mourinho style of play.But Mata did thrive the previous season because of a more fluid style rather than counter attack. So far he hasn't been able to work out the new style. He's definitely trying, which was evident from the Swindon game but never really got hold of the new way here. It's gonna be even harder to return back to the winger role he used to play so well at Valencia.Then again, who am I to argue with bushman? Well, in Bushman we trust ? Much better than Jose, some say, lately.Mata to me, is not very good playing on the wing, I feel. If I were Jose, I would use him, rotate him, play him as before. After all, Oscar was not very hot last night or was he ? If Jose has no plans with Mata, then he ought to tell him so. Mata is too good to sit around, gone in January, I feel.I still not understand, what´s the new way at Chelsea ? All I see, plenty of headless chickens on the pitch, sometimes trying hard, other times, erratic passes, hoofing the ball, & Cech saving the team in several games. The_Flash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I agree with everything that you said but one thing. I would have been also ok with it if we were let's say a mid table club. If you consider how much money those players have cost, how much they earn and the fact that we have one of the top managers and facilities, then it's unacceptable. There are no excuses for me.I know it sounds defeatist but what can you do eh? Just hope it gets better.I will send my CV to Roman though. Salary negotiable ManchesterMatt and The Skipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I know it sounds defeatist but what can you do eh? Just hope it gets better.I will send my CV to Roman though. Salary negotiable Good luck, perhaps, Jose could use your expertises.Him taking notes, constantly, just wonder whether he reads it, afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubber bullets 1,183 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Seen on Twitter that a few people think Jose is getting the sack. What a fucking joke these 'fans' are. Honestly, they're nothing to do with this club. At best they're parasites attracted to Roman's money and our recent success but they don't represent the support of this club in any way, shape or form. They're the worst type of scum that any club can find themselves picking up because they do nothing but moan. They don't lift the team or support the players. They seem to enjoy losses as it gives them a chance to reconfirm their biases.If you happen to see one of these fans in the street, you should treat them like any other vermin by crushing them under the heel of your boot.Repeatedly.Calling for violence, the mark of a civilized man! couris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Calling for violence, the mark of a civilized man!Be careful, he carries a slingshot with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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